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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #9810 on: February 24, 2021, 05:44:35 PM »
Shows the difference some really poor Politicing makes, the Economic self harm argument remains exactly the same.

Has the EU's vaccination nightmare not punctured a large hole in that argument?

The EU is expected to have caught up or overtaken the Uk by September/ October. Also the EU will have generally used the Pfizer vaccine which seems to be more effective than the Oxford one particularly against the variants. Because of that the EU could be in a better position by the autumn.

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #9811 on: February 24, 2021, 05:47:11 PM »
There's no evidence that anything vaccine related has affected Scotland's overwhelming majority  in favor of a return to the EU.
All the pomp about the vaccine distribution  is also designed to mask a disastrous leadership during the pandemic by the Brexit mob, which wasn't appreciated in Scotland.
On everything covid related, Nicola  left Johnson well behind in the dust.  In fact Johnson tried to rally attention to the Brexit cause recently when visiting a vaccine centre in Scotland, ended up bumbling around the lab getting in the way and making an idiot of himself. He was publicly censured by Nicola. when she deigned to  pay scant notice to his visit.

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #9812 on: February 24, 2021, 05:47:30 PM »
Shows the difference some really poor Politicing makes, the Economic self harm argument remains exactly the same.

Has the EU's vaccination nightmare not punctured a large hole in that argument?

Ni Fully vaccinated 31,000

Republic Fully vaccinated 113,291

I know maths donít tend to be a strong point of Unionism or suit the narrative the likes of Paisley are peddling

But it looks like NI is lagging behind in the number of Fully vaccinated in comparison to the Republic

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #9813 on: February 24, 2021, 06:24:45 PM »
Did 5 Points expect a load of EU Countties to apply to join the "U"K? ;D
I know 3 that won't anyway!

Brits strategy seems to be to give everyone a 1st jab ASAP and get round to no2 at some stage.
A relation in England is getting her Jab Friday but 2nd one not till end of May.
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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #9814 on: February 24, 2021, 06:32:24 PM »
Shows the difference some really poor Politicing makes, the Economic self harm argument remains exactly the same.

Has the EU's vaccination nightmare not punctured a large hole in that argument?

The EU is expected to have caught up or overtaken the Uk by September/ October. Also the EU will have generally used the Pfizer vaccine which seems to be more effective than the Oxford one particularly against the variants. Because of that the EU could be in a better position by the autumn.
Caught up by September/October? The UK target is to have completed first jabs in all adults by the end of July with various vaccines, even taking into account the WHO endorsed strategy of 12 week between jabs for the Oxford - that's full completion of the adult population by the end of September.

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #9815 on: February 24, 2021, 06:38:46 PM »
Shows the difference some really poor Politicing makes, the Economic self harm argument remains exactly the same.

Has the EU's vaccination nightmare not punctured a large hole in that argument?

The EU is expected to have caught up or overtaken the Uk by September/ October. Also the EU will have generally used the Pfizer vaccine which seems to be more effective than the Oxford one particularly against the variants. Because of that the EU could be in a better position by the autumn.
Caught up by September/October? The UK target is to have completed first jabs in all adults by the end of July with various vaccines, even taking into account the WHO endorsed strategy of 12 week between jabs for the Oxford - that's full completion of the adult population by the end of September.

All adults with one dose by the end of July. With a 12 week gap that means all adults by the end of October. Iíve read a number of reports which have said the EU will have caught up by then. The south plan to do 250k a week soon.

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #9816 on: February 24, 2021, 07:46:12 PM »
Shows the difference some really poor Politicing makes, the Economic self harm argument remains exactly the same.

Has the EU's vaccination nightmare not punctured a large hole in that argument?

The EU is expected to have caught up or overtaken the Uk by September/ October. Also the EU will have generally used the Pfizer vaccine which seems to be more effective than the Oxford one particularly against the variants. Because of that the EU could be in a better position by the autumn.
Caught up by September/October? The UK target is to have completed first jabs in all adults by the end of July with various vaccines, even taking into account the WHO endorsed strategy of 12 week between jabs for the Oxford - that's full completion of the adult population by the end of September.

All adults with one dose by the end of July. With a 12 week gap that means all adults by the end of October. Iíve read a number of reports which have said the EU will have caught up by then. The south plan to do 250k a week soon.

The UK gambled early with vaccine purchases and in addition to existing supplies & suppliers has more Vaccines coming on board from Novavax, Moderna, Johnson, & Johnson and Valneva, why do you think the EU will accelerate & the UK can't or won't??

The 12 week gap is a red herring as well, 76% effectiveness after 1 jab, showing no signs of degredation in the 12 week gap is statistically excellent for any vaccine - https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n326

As i posted another thread - the Oxford vaccine is becoming a casualty of Brexit, being consistently briefed against because it's  the Tans.

And unless I'm reading the wrong newspapers, on a different Twitter - the EU & ROI's Vaccine programmes are being slated left, right & centre, some posters here seem to know different or need to read outside their comfort bubbles.
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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #9817 on: February 24, 2021, 08:38:54 PM »
Shows the difference some really poor Politicing makes, the Economic self harm argument remains exactly the same.

Has the EU's vaccination nightmare not punctured a large hole in that argument?

The EU is expected to have caught up or overtaken the Uk by September/ October. Also the EU will have generally used the Pfizer vaccine which seems to be more effective than the Oxford one particularly against the variants. Because of that the EU could be in a better position by the autumn.
Caught up by September/October? The UK target is to have completed first jabs in all adults by the end of July with various vaccines, even taking into account the WHO endorsed strategy of 12 week between jabs for the Oxford - that's full completion of the adult population by the end of September.

All adults with one dose by the end of July. With a 12 week gap that means all adults by the end of October. Iíve read a number of reports which have said the EU will have caught up by then. The south plan to do 250k a week soon.

The UK gambled early with vaccine purchases and in addition to existing supplies & suppliers has more Vaccines coming on board from Novavax, Moderna, Johnson, & Johnson and Valneva, why do you think the EU will accelerate & the UK can't or won't??

The 12 week gap is a red herring as well, 76% effectiveness after 1 jab, showing no signs of degredation in the 12 week gap is statistically excellent for any vaccine - https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n326

As i posted another thread - the Oxford vaccine is becoming a casualty of Brexit, being consistently briefed against because it's  the Tans.

And unless I'm reading the wrong newspapers, on a different Twitter - the EU & ROI's Vaccine programmes are being slated left, right & centre, some posters here seem to know different or need to read outside their comfort bubbles.

You could be right, weíll know better in a few months. Iíll be happy taking any of the vaccines as theyíre all effective but Iíve read that the Pfizer and moderna give better protection against the South African variant.

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #9818 on: February 24, 2021, 10:45:08 PM »
You could be right, weíll know better in a few months. Iíll be happy taking any of the vaccines as theyíre all effective but Iíve read that the Pfizer and moderna give better protection against the South African variant.

It is notable that the J&J vaccine to be approved in the US this week is almost equally effective against the South African and Brazilian variants, whereas the Novavax and Astrazeneca vaccines were not. The RNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) seem pretty good all around, the tests in Israel with the public showed Pfizer well over 90% effective, basically validating the earlier trials. People said vaccines might never work, but they do.
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