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There's an elephant in the room.
« on: January 11, 2020, 11:43:57 AM »
The government's back.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-51071827

how about, I'm just spit ballin here, the First and Deputy first ministers come from the parties that came 3rd and 4th?  Couldn't be any worse (I know they could) and they wouldn't be so big that there members would not be forcing red lines on them.

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Re: There's an elephant in the room.
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2020, 12:59:08 PM »
I love the bit where the fkn Orange Order says it has "serious concerns about the Irish language provisions and it cant support the deal".

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Re: There's an elephant in the room.
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2020, 02:01:34 PM »
Is gaire cabhair Boris nŠ an doras.
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Re: There's an elephant in the room.
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2020, 05:47:06 PM »
It's great to see them all back. Now the actual work begins.

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Re: There's an elephant in the room.
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2020, 10:14:34 PM »
I would give it 6 months, tops.

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2020, 10:45:32 PM »
I would give it 6 months, tops.

As long as they sort out Casement, flyover at the M2 westlink, education, and more importantly the health services. Then they can f**k off
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Re: There's an elephant in the room.
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2020, 10:51:04 PM »
I would give it 6 months, tops.

Iíll give it 6 weeks.

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Re: There's an elephant in the room.
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2020, 12:23:35 PM »
I would give it 6 months, tops.

As long as they sort out Casement, flyover at the M2 westlink, education, and more importantly the health services. Then they can f**k off

Itís slightly incredible that a man who, only a few short months ago, wanted to spend the traditional "more time with the family", suddenly performs an about turn & takes on the Health Department - possibly the worst job of them all. That doesn't quite stack up. Plus, it doesn't look like you need to have been in Stormont at all to become a Minister nowadays. Two of the new Ministers have been at Stormont I'd say for at least a week. Do you get the impression now that the RHI report has been watered down in the interim & that Foster thinks she won't be getting her P45?

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Re: There's an elephant in the room.
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2020, 12:55:26 PM »
I would give it 6 months, tops.

As long as they sort out Casement, flyover at the M2 westlink, education, and more importantly the health services. Then they can f**k off

Itís slightly incredible that a man who, only a few short months ago, wanted to spend the traditional "more time with the family", suddenly performs an about turn & takes on the Health Department - possibly the worst job of them all. That doesn't quite stack up. Plus, it doesn't look like you need to have been in Stormont at all to become a Minister nowadays. Two of the new Ministers have been at Stormont I'd say for at least a week. Do you get the impression now that the RHI report has been watered down in the interim & that Foster thinks she won't be getting her P45?

It will be well watered down and both DUP/SF will be in cahoots on that

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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2020, 02:11:53 PM »
No doubt MR2 and Playwiththewind1st will inform us what the report said before it was watered down and why the independent investigators will have changed their report?

The evidence was held in public so there isnít going to be any big surprises. Anybody expecting a smoking gun would do well to pinpoint the smoking gun in the public evidence that they are relying on.

Basically we have to anticipate a milder version of McBrideís book. After all McBride has all the same evidence but is a (damn good) journalist with a book to sell rather than a judge.

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Re: There's an elephant in the room.
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2020, 02:24:23 PM »
No doubt MR2 and Playwiththewind1st will inform us what the report said before it was watered down and why the independent investigators will have changed their report?

The evidence was held in public so there isnít going to be any big surprises. Anybody expecting a smoking gun would do well to pinpoint the smoking gun in the public evidence that they are relying on.

Basically we have to anticipate a milder version of McBrideís book. After all McBride has all the same evidence but is a (damn good) journalist with a book to sell rather than a judge.

It's no secret that the report was shown to certain people, quite a while back & they had the opportunity to ahem 'comment' on the proposed contents.  I believe it was Robert Maxwell kicked this all off years ago, with a legal challenge.

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Re: There's an elephant in the room.
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2020, 02:29:01 PM »
I would give it 6 months, tops.

Iíll give it 6 weeks.

Who knows.

SF and DUP can do this with the other 3 parties or possibly as a duopoly if they can agree on the Justice portfolio.

Neither wants an election. Impossible to conceive of any election not resulting in both parties getting a reduced number of seats.

It is finally dawned on some within DUP that their electoral success is built upon a coalition of extreme bigots (which TUV aside will always vote and always vote DUP) and pragmatic unionists who vote for the likely winning unionist ticket (who wonít keep voting for the current shambles). The latter group only have to drift from DUP by the amount of the seat winning margins. Seat winning margins have got a lot smaller as the centre have rallied around Alliance - especially younger voters.

SF have had to wake up to 4 key issues;
1. Running away from government in NI doesnít help you convince the RoI electorate that you are a viable alternative.
2. Power sharing in NI has to work for a UI to be a possibility. The RoI referendum on a UI isnít going to vote in favour of taking on a problem.
3. Power sharing has to work beyond a UI. You donít want to set the precedent and blueprint for fecking about with power sharing for truculent unionists to follow.
4. Right here and now the nationalist electorate wonít keep voting for SF to do nothing.

SF and DUP have probably finally worked out that politics isnít just about elections and salaries

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Re: There's an elephant in the room.
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2020, 02:33:00 PM »
No doubt MR2 and Playwiththewind1st will inform us what the report said before it was watered down and why the independent investigators will have changed their report?

The evidence was held in public so there isnít going to be any big surprises. Anybody expecting a smoking gun would do well to pinpoint the smoking gun in the public evidence that they are relying on.

Basically we have to anticipate a milder version of McBrideís book. After all McBride has all the same evidence but is a (damn good) journalist with a book to sell rather than a judge.

It's no secret that the report was shown to certain people, quite a while back & they had the opportunity to ahem 'comment' on the proposed contents.  I believe it was Robert Maxwell kicked this all off years ago, with a legal challenge.

By ďcertain peopleĒ you no doubt mean everyone criticised in the report. Standard practice in any inquiry.

By ďcommentĒ you no doubt mean be given the opportunity to mount a legal challenge to the criticism via judicial review prior to publication. Again standard practice.

Are you inferring that something untoward is at play??

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Re: There's an elephant in the room.
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2020, 03:28:53 PM »
Well Snarlene is certainly looking fairly chipper & somewhat more smug than she has any right to be, given her trials & tribulations.