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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2020, 11:21:32 AM »
I said "working people", not the working class.
But still didn't answer the question.

How are working people (in a country with pretty much full employment) being screwed over by FG and how would Lab/SD/Greens/you do better?

Full employment doesn’t mean what it used to
with 10k homeless. Full employment doesn’t mean payrises or affordable housing.  FG are business as usual and a lot of things are broken

Income taxes are higher than elsewhere because of the last crash. Decisions made a decade ago.
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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2020, 11:23:12 AM »
If any of the parties were willing to tackle the welfare state they’d romp home in an election

A social welfare card would be start, a limit to what one person can take home

Put a stop the absolute sense of entitlement that people who have added nothing to the state have
They wouldn't romp home in the slightest. Our media are very liberal/left wing. Anyone who publicly suggests there are people gaming the welfare system are hung out to dry in the media.

We have to look after the lads sitting at home scratching themselves when they get a moment to spare between playing X-Box and watching Netflix.

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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2020, 11:31:26 AM »

What a load of absolute tripe. Ireland has one of the lowest, if not the lowest, corporate tax rates around, and if the government had a set of balls that would be their first port of call, massively increasing the corporate tax rate for large multinationals to tackle the the housing and health crisis. But no, you as a clear West Brit, for some random reason unrelated to this matter wanting Scotland to remain attached to the UK, says it all. The fact of the matter is that these entrepreneurs are not taxed enough, and taxing them properly, never mind anything unrelated with Scotland, would go a long way to solving simple deficit issues.

Good man.
Increasing the CT rate from 12.5% would be the policy of a complete moron. Even Sinn Fein copped on to that 5 or 6 years ago.

If Scotland got independence they would immediately reduce their corporation tax rate to similar to Ireland's and they'd rejoin the EU, because they know that would help attract foreign investment. They would instantly become a significant obstacle to us continuing to be so successful in attracting new MNCs to Ireland.

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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2020, 02:00:06 PM »
The tax model ended up generating 2 economies - Multinational and local- because the benefits aren’t spread around and there is a limit to what tax redistribution can do to compensate. BMW gdp per head is about half of Leinster/Munster. Within those 2 the split between MNC/local is probably close to 2/1.

Running asset bubbles in the absence of a lender of last resort is insane.

There will probably be a lot of reform after the next crash.

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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2020, 02:44:14 PM »
What a load of absolute tripe. Ireland has one of the lowest, if not the lowest, corporate tax rates around, <snip>

Ireland, Republic of: 12.5% on trading income, otherwise 25%

Bulgaria: 10%
Canary Islands: 4%, as opposed to 25% in the rest of Spain
Croatia: 18%, with a special 12% rate for small businesses
Cyprus: 12.5%
Hungary: 9%
Lithuania: 15%, with a special 5% rate for small businesses
Poland: 19%, with a special 9% rate for small businesses
UK: 17%, from 2020

Outside of the EU but still within Europe...

Bosnia & Herzegovina: 10%
Isle of Man: 0%
Liechtenstein: 12.5%
North Macedonia: 10%
Montenegro: 9%
Switzerland: 16.55%

All of the above is massively simplified, and may not take into account special breaks etc. and needs to be made in context with other governmental taxation e.g. VAT, property, dividends, income and so on. But in general, Ireland would have one of the lower rates of corporation tax in Western Europe (west of the old Iron Curtain) with it only being notably lower in "havens" like the Isle of Man & Andorra, the majority of countries are in the 20's.
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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2020, 03:31:13 PM »
Our media are very liberal/left wing.

The "mainstream" media in Ireland rather appears to look left wing or Liberal in comparison to the same platforms in the UK or USA, which would be the most accessible for Irish people to engage in for consuming foreign media thanks to culture & language. But compared to most of the rest of the EU it is very MOR, somewhat the same as Canada and New Zealand too. The most notable difference between the main Irish and British media outlets is that the Irish media doesn't delve into major hysteria anywhere near as often as their British counterparts. Even the Irish versions of the British tabloids aren't near the same level of awful as their counterparts across the Irish Sea.

(It would also be needed to define what "Liberal" and "left-wing" mean in context - historically Ireland has never really had a liberal political tradition in that of the European mould outside of the Whigs of the 19th century that was linked to the rest of the UK at the time, and this nearly all labelling of "liberal" or "liberalism" in Ireland is derived from its bastardisation in the USA that has crept over the Atlantic in the last few decades.)
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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2020, 04:01:56 PM »
Yanks describe anything not extremely right wing as "left wing" and "liberal", the latter seems to be their ultimate insult.
Always sad when you see Irish people buying into that sirt if sh1te .
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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2020, 04:29:17 PM »
Clearly the Greens should do well, based on their Euro elections showing. Can see FF gaining a few seats and FG losing a few. Not sure how we'd see a big improvement for Labour. Social Democrats will be hampered by their small organisation - if they could get enough candidates and structures I think they could eat Labour up. To me SF are going to struggle to rise above their current seat level. Even though I wouldn't blame them for it, the NI Assembly stand off hasn't done them any favours. PbP, solidarity etc will do well in their working class strongholds but to because really serious players they need to develop their message to attract left leaning middle class voters.

I'm hoping for a government with a strong left and Green agenda. We cannot continue the mistakes of the past - it's time for us to get real about the challenges our society at home and around the world face.

Can’t see an improvement for Labour either. They will be down one seat immediately with Willy Penrose retiring, and no hope of Alan Mangan (of Westmeath 2004 Leinster winning team) holding that seat.


Labour need new, young leadership that can put them back to being what a proper Labour Party is. Pushing a social democratic agenda. Looking out for everyone, not just big business.

Those nasty big businesses, creating all those jobs.

Latest from IDA this week:

Wednesday, January 8th 2020 – Minister for Business, Enterprise and Innovation, Heather Humphreys and IDA Ireland, the Irish Government agency responsible for attracting foreign direct investment (FDI) to Ireland, today announced that employment levels in its client companies have now reached 245,096 -  the highest ever number employed in the multinational sector, exceeding targets set by Government contained in IDA Ireland’s Strategy – Winning: Foreign Direct Investment 2015-2019. The results announced today show another strong performance in 2019, which saw 250 investments made with 21,844 jobs created in FDI companies in the final year of IDA Ireland’s current strategy.

21,844 jobs created in FDI companies.  that's the gross figure, (in Ruud Gullit parlance) the net gain figure after job losses are deducted  is  13,867

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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2020, 09:43:56 PM »
Clearly the Greens should do well, based on their Euro elections showing. Can see FF gaining a few seats and FG losing a few. Not sure how we'd see a big improvement for Labour. Social Democrats will be hampered by their small organisation - if they could get enough candidates and structures I think they could eat Labour up. To me SF are going to struggle to rise above their current seat level. Even though I wouldn't blame them for it, the NI Assembly stand off hasn't done them any favours. PbP, solidarity etc will do well in their working class strongholds but to because really serious players they need to develop their message to attract left leaning middle class voters.

I'm hoping for a government with a strong left and Green agenda. We cannot continue the mistakes of the past - it's time for us to get real about the challenges our society at home and around the world face.

Can’t see an improvement for Labour either. They will be down one seat immediately with Willy Penrose retiring, and no hope of Alan Mangan (of Westmeath 2004 Leinster winning team) holding that seat.


Labour need new, young leadership that can put them back to being what a proper Labour Party is. Pushing a social democratic agenda. Looking out for everyone, not just big business.

Those nasty big businesses, creating all those jobs.

Latest from IDA this week:

Wednesday, January 8th 2020 – Minister for Business, Enterprise and Innovation, Heather Humphreys and IDA Ireland, the Irish Government agency responsible for attracting foreign direct investment (FDI) to Ireland, today announced that employment levels in its client companies have now reached 245,096 -  the highest ever number employed in the multinational sector, exceeding targets set by Government contained in IDA Ireland’s Strategy – Winning: Foreign Direct Investment 2015-2019. The results announced today show another strong performance in 2019, which saw 250 investments made with 21,844 jobs created in FDI companies in the final year of IDA Ireland’s current strategy.

21,844 jobs created in FDI companies.  that's the gross figure, (in Ruud Gullit parlance) the net gain figure after job losses are deducted  is  13,867
And probably 90% around Dublin

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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2020, 08:59:10 AM »
No not 90% in Dublin, 60% actually. Still higher than ideal, but the main thing is there is jobs growth outside Dublin and unfortunately you can’t force companies to locate in particular counties. There’s no question that IDA does their best to showcase regional locations and offers incentives for the regions.

Here is what IDA have just released re regional investment by MNCs:

“54,868 jobs were created outside of Dublin over the past five years leading to 33,118 additional direct jobs (net) on the ground in regions at the end of this strategy. 110 investments were won for regions in 2019 with 5,368 net jobs created.

Every region hit the five-year strategy targets of a 30% uplift in investment we set out to achieve and three regions - the Mid West, Mid East and South East exceeded 40% of targets. Investments in The Border region increased threefold since the outset of the strategy.

This is clear evidence that our deliberate and focused strategy of targeting investment for regions is paying off. That includes our Regional Property Programme which has delivered seven of 11 planned advance building solutions – technological or office buildings – to offer investors attractive turnkey building solutions in regional locations.

All seven of the buildings completed are now occupied by businesses, demonstrating the success of this strategy of stepping into the market where we see opportunity and can secure clients when the necessary properties aren’t being provided by the private sector.”

Some great work being done and some great successes.

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« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2020, 01:22:33 PM »
No not 90% in Dublin, 60% actually. Still higher than ideal, but the main thing is there is jobs growth outside Dublin and unfortunately you can’t force companies to locate in particular counties. There’s no question that IDA does their best to showcase regional locations and offers incentives for the regions.

Here is what IDA have just released re regional investment by MNCs:

“54,868 jobs were created outside of Dublin over the past five years leading to 33,118 additional direct jobs (net) on the ground in regions at the end of this strategy. 110 investments were won for regions in 2019 with 5,368 net jobs created.

Every region hit the five-year strategy targets of a 30% uplift in investment we set out to achieve and three regions - the Mid West, Mid East and South East exceeded 40% of targets. Investments in The Border region increased threefold since the outset of the strategy.

This is clear evidence that our deliberate and focused strategy of targeting investment for regions is paying off. That includes our Regional Property Programme which has delivered seven of 11 planned advance building solutions – technological or office buildings – to offer investors attractive turnkey building solutions in regional locations.

All seven of the buildings completed are now occupied by businesses, demonstrating the success of this strategy of stepping into the market where we see opportunity and can secure clients when the necessary properties aren’t being provided by the private sector.”

Some great work being done and some great successes.

Hound, GDP per head in the BMW region is half of that elsewhere.
How can that be considered a success ?
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« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2020, 06:14:14 PM »
You haven’t got the first clue what that question even means!

The response is in my previous post. If you’ve any more questions, try putting them in your own words.

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« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2020, 06:30:26 PM »
No not 90% in Dublin, 60% actually. Still higher than ideal, but the main thing is there is jobs growth outside Dublin and unfortunately you can’t force companies to locate in particular counties. There’s no question that IDA does their best to showcase regional locations and offers incentives for the regions.

Here is what IDA have just released re regional investment by MNCs:

“54,868 jobs were created outside of Dublin over the past five years leading to 33,118 additional direct jobs (net) on the ground in regions at the end of this strategy. 110 investments were won for regions in 2019 with 5,368 net jobs created.

Every region hit the five-year strategy targets of a 30% uplift in investment we set out to achieve and three regions - the Mid West, Mid East and South East exceeded 40% of targets. Investments in The Border region increased threefold since the outset of the strategy.

This is clear evidence that our deliberate and focused strategy of targeting investment for regions is paying off. That includes our Regional Property Programme which has delivered seven of 11 planned advance building solutions – technological or office buildings – to offer investors attractive turnkey building solutions in regional locations.

All seven of the buildings completed are now occupied by businesses, demonstrating the success of this strategy of stepping into the market where we see opportunity and can secure clients when the necessary properties aren’t being provided by the private sector.”

Some great work being done and some great successes.

Hound, GDP per head in the BMW region is half of that elsewhere.
How can that be considered a success ?

GDP in the Irish context is grossly inflated, the real difference is less.
What do you suggest, lowering the GDP in the East and South, or increasing it in the BMW? How would you do this?
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« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2020, 06:38:14 PM »
No not 90% in Dublin, 60% actually. Still higher than ideal, but the main thing is there is jobs growth outside Dublin and unfortunately you can’t force companies to locate in particular counties. There’s no question that IDA does their best to showcase regional locations and offers incentives for the regions.

Here is what IDA have just released re regional investment by MNCs:

“54,868 jobs were created outside of Dublin over the past five years leading to 33,118 additional direct jobs (net) on the ground in regions at the end of this strategy. 110 investments were won for regions in 2019 with 5,368 net jobs created.

Every region hit the five-year strategy targets of a 30% uplift in investment we set out to achieve and three regions - the Mid West, Mid East and South East exceeded 40% of targets. Investments in The Border region increased threefold since the outset of the strategy.

This is clear evidence that our deliberate and focused strategy of targeting investment for regions is paying off. That includes our Regional Property Programme which has delivered seven of 11 planned advance building solutions – technological or office buildings – to offer investors attractive turnkey building solutions in regional locations.

All seven of the buildings completed are now occupied by businesses, demonstrating the success of this strategy of stepping into the market where we see opportunity and can secure clients when the necessary properties aren’t being provided by the private sector.”

Some great work being done and some great successes.

Hound, GDP per head in the BMW region is half of that elsewhere.
How can that be considered a success ?
I don't think he is necessarily saying that it's a success- or a failure either for that matter! The IDA says it set out to achieve a 30% uplift in investments in a number of regions over a five year period and investments in the Border region increased threefold since the outset of the strategy.
That has to be considered a success by any rationale but since since investment in the region was very low to begin with, the improvement is relative- the region still lags behind all others.
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« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2020, 06:56:45 PM »
No not 90% in Dublin, 60% actually. Still higher than ideal, but the main thing is there is jobs growth outside Dublin and unfortunately you can’t force companies to locate in particular counties. There’s no question that IDA does their best to showcase regional locations and offers incentives for the regions.

Here is what IDA have just released re regional investment by MNCs:

“54,868 jobs were created outside of Dublin over the past five years leading to 33,118 additional direct jobs (net) on the ground in regions at the end of this strategy. 110 investments were won for regions in 2019 with 5,368 net jobs created.

Every region hit the five-year strategy targets of a 30% uplift in investment we set out to achieve and three regions - the Mid West, Mid East and South East exceeded 40% of targets. Investments in The Border region increased threefold since the outset of the strategy.

This is clear evidence that our deliberate and focused strategy of targeting investment for regions is paying off. That includes our Regional Property Programme which has delivered seven of 11 planned advance building solutions – technological or office buildings – to offer investors attractive turnkey building solutions in regional locations.

All seven of the buildings completed are now occupied by businesses, demonstrating the success of this strategy of stepping into the market where we see opportunity and can secure clients when the necessary properties aren’t being provided by the private sector.”

Some great work being done and some great successes.

Hound, GDP per head in the BMW region is half of that elsewhere.
How can that be considered a success ?
I don't think he is necessarily saying that it's a success- or a failure either for that matter! The IDA says it set out to achieve a 30% uplift in investments in a number of regions over a five year period and investments in the Border region increased threefold since the outset of the strategy.
That has to be considered a success by any rationale but since since investment in the region was very low to begin with, the improvement is relative- the region still lags behind all others.
The IDA is a Government Agency.
Regional inequality is driving people to Dublin and exacerbating the problems there.

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