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Author Topic: 26 County General Election 2020  (Read 42537 times)

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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #1170 on: February 14, 2020, 11:24:02 AM »

Reluctant as I am to step into this. This isn't true.

Mary Boyle was six when she disappeared from her grandparents’ home outside Ballyshannon in Co Donegal, on March 18th, 1977. Hers is Ireland’s longest-running missing-child case, and she has been described in the Guardian as “Ireland’s Madeleine McCann”.

Her twin, Ann Doherty, who has travelled to Stormont, Westminster, Brussels and Washington DC in her campaign, has been accompanied over the past two years by journalist Gemma O’Doherty.

On April 26th they met Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin for almost two hours in Leinster House. He was accompanied by one of the party’s new TDs, barrister Jim O’Callaghan. They were also accompanied by Margo O’Donnell, sister of the singer Daniel.

Ann says she and her family know who killed Mary. She says the man, who is alive still, was well known to her and her twin. She says during the course of the 1977 investigation that a politician called the investigating gardaí and told them not to arrest or further question the chief suspect. She says her faith in the gardaí to bring the case to a truthful conclusion is gone.

Ann, Margo and Gemma urged Martin to initiate a Dáil debate on the serious allegations about the Garda handling of the case, and to support their call for an inquest into Mary’s death.


It's this bit that doesn't make sense. Not in a country that had a cottage industry of Garda scandal journalism for years. Did Gene Kerrigan, Vincent Browne, Veronica Guerin, Joe Joyce, Derek Dunne, Peter Murtagh and their colleagues and rivals all miss the biggest and most explosive story of all? I don't buy it.

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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #1171 on: February 14, 2020, 11:27:24 AM »
I wonder if the suspect in the mary boyle case was a Sinn Fein member would the media still ignore it. What di you think lads?

RTÉ produced a documentary on it. And I don't even see comparison between the cases other than 2 innocent people were murdered brutally

That's true. The quinn murder was not carried out by a sinn fein member but one member suggested Quinn was a criminal. That's case mo 1.

In case no 2 a FF representative covered up the kidnap and murder of a small child.


So yes, they are certainly different.

Totally unproven. And in an era when several Taoisigh had their political careers blighted or prematurely ended by Garda scandals, the idea that a mickey mouse councillor and failed MEP candidate in Donegal could have bullied the Gardai into covering up the murder of a child and gotten away with it for 30+ years doesn't bear the slightest scrutiny.

There is no proof who killed Paul Quinn or why.

Multiple members of the Gardai who investigated the Mary Boyle disappearance have alleged that a FF politician interfered in the case and stopped them from questioning the prime suspect who they believed was close to confessing.

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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #1172 on: February 14, 2020, 11:28:07 AM »
Gemma Doherty!? That hardly strengthens the case...
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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #1173 on: February 14, 2020, 11:39:10 AM »
Multiple members of the Gardai who investigated the Mary Boyle disappearance have alleged that a FF politician interfered in the case and stopped them from questioning the prime suspect who they believed was close to confessing.

But if that's true, why did the story lie hidden for 40 years during which the country was literally transfixed at various stages by a long list of Garda corruption and political influence scandals?

The idea that Gene Kerrigan, Vincent Browne, Veronica Guerin et al were all afraid of a mickey mouse councillor in Bundoran is laughable.

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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #1174 on: February 14, 2020, 11:42:22 AM »
Gemma Doherty!? That hardly strengthens the case...

I'm not commenting on the case or what happened in it. But it's a lie to say that Mary Boyle's family haven't been asking questions of FF.
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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #1175 on: February 14, 2020, 12:43:04 PM »
Multiple members of the Gardai who investigated the Mary Boyle disappearance have alleged that a FF politician interfered in the case and stopped them from questioning the prime suspect who they believed was close to confessing.

But if that's true, why did the story lie hidden for 40 years during which the country was literally transfixed at various stages by a long list of Garda corruption and political influence scandals?

The idea that Gene Kerrigan, Vincent Browne, Veronica Guerin et al were all afraid of a mickey mouse councillor in Bundoran is laughable.


The Mickey Mouse councillor in Bundoran was also an extremely wealthy and well connected businessman.

There was no appetite to solve the case by any of the establishment branches. We saw it with the Stardust fire, Dublin Monaghan bombings, the priest murdered in Offaly etc.

I think you're clutching at straws trying to defend those cases.




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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #1176 on: February 14, 2020, 01:23:01 PM »

The Mickey Mouse councillor in Bundoran was also an extremely wealthy and well connected businessman.

There was no appetite to solve the case by any of the establishment branches. We saw it with the Stardust fire, Dublin Monaghan bombings, the priest murdered in Offaly etc.

I think you're clutching at straws trying to defend those cases.

The contrast with the Stardust fire, the Dublin & Monaghan bombings, the Fr Niall Molloy case, the Dowra affair, the Shercock case, the Richie Barron case, the Maurice McCabe case, the Derek Fairbrother case, the Kerry Babies case and countless others is palpable.

Each got massive publicity, media coverage and investigation from a coterie of talented investigative journalists who sometimes worked together and sometimes were in fierce competition with each other. Over years and years. Most of these stories  were compelling enough for books to be written about them; many were best sellers.

We're now supposed to believe that they all missed the biggest one of all - because of a Mickey Mouse councillor in Bundoran who was also "an extremely wealthy and well connected businessman."

It doesn't make an ounce of sense, sorry.
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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #1177 on: February 14, 2020, 01:33:25 PM »
Sean McEniff's estate is still suing O'Doherty for defamation.

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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #1178 on: February 14, 2020, 01:36:08 PM »

The Mickey Mouse councillor in Bundoran was also an extremely wealthy and well connected businessman.

There was no appetite to solve the case by any of the establishment branches. We saw it with the Stardust fire, Dublin Monaghan bombings, the priest murdered in Offaly etc.

I think you're clutching at straws trying to defend those cases.

The contrast with the Stardust fire, the Dublin & Monaghan bombings, the Fr Niall Molloy case, the Dowra affair, the Shercock case, the Richie Barron case, the Maurice McCabe case, the Derek Fairbrother case, the Kerry Babies case and countless others is palpable.

Each got massive publicity, media coverage and investigation from a coterie of talented investigative journalists who sometimes worked together and sometimes were in fierce competition with each other.

We're now supposed to believe that they all missed the biggest one of all - because of a Mickey Mouse councillor in Bundoran who was also "an extremely wealthy and well connected businessman."

It doesn't make an ounce of sense, sorry.

No they didn't.

The Stardust Fire is one of the biggest injustices to happen in the state. Hardly a dickeybird about it in the past decade.

The Dublin Monaghan bombings, all the signs are that the Free State government were fully aware that British intelligence had its finger prints all over it and they quelled any sort of investigation of this. These were incidents of mass losses of life, one through negligence, one through murder which had British intelligence all over it and the question marks of state interference in these cases have never been brought to task, the victims families have never got their justice and these cases have unquestionably been neglected by the media in this country.

There is no appetite for investigation here.

Gemma O'Doherty might be a crackpot now but there was one time when she was a respected investigative journalist and look at how she was sidelined when she pursued Garda corruption. Look at how a disgusting smear campaign was allowed develop and spread against a garda whistleblower with full knowledge of the higher echelons of the Gardai and the government minister.

It's a rotten state but your staged outrage is quite easily exposed. There is no appetite to tackle the heinous acts covered up by the establishment parties in the 26.

How many of those victims got justice?

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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #1179 on: February 14, 2020, 01:36:53 PM »
Sean McEniff's estate is still suing O'Doherty for defamation.

What does that say?

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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #1180 on: February 14, 2020, 01:42:53 PM »
Sean McEniff's estate is still suing O'Doherty for defamation.

What does that say?

That he, when he was alive, and his estate, are publicly challenging and rejecting her thinly-veiled accusation?

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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #1181 on: February 14, 2020, 01:45:56 PM »

The Stardust Fire is one of the biggest injustices to happen in the state. Hardly a dickeybird about it in the past decade.
Maybe you're too young.

It was one of the biggest stories of the 80s.  Christy Moore wrote a song about it. There was a Tribunal. But before even that there was a forest of writing about it, including books.

Ditto but to lesser extent the Dublin Monaghan bombings.

There wasn't a dickybird about Mary Boyle - from an investigative journalist class that were (usually correctly) gunning for the Gardai and the authorities that interacted with them.


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It's a rotten state but your staged outrage is quite easily exposed.
I'm not in the slightest bit outraged here. I think you may be.

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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #1182 on: February 14, 2020, 01:48:41 PM »
Gemma O'Doherty might be a crackpot now but there was one time when she was a respected investigative journalist

Whenever that time was, it was very short.

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Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« Reply #1183 on: February 14, 2020, 02:21:56 PM »

The Stardust Fire is one of the biggest injustices to happen in the state. Hardly a dickeybird about it in the past decade.
Maybe you're too young.

It was one of the biggest stories of the 80s.  Christy Moore wrote a song about it. There was a Tribunal. But before even that there was a forest of writing about it, including books.

Ditto but to lesser extent the Dublin Monaghan bombings.

There wasn't a dickybird about Mary Boyle - from an investigative journalist class that were (usually correctly) gunning for the Gardai and the authorities that interacted with them.


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It's a rotten state but your staged outrage is quite easily exposed.
I'm not in the slightest bit outraged here. I think you may be.

I'm not too young.

It's a complete fabrication what you are saying, it blew over quite quickly and the state and the media in the state have long since tried to bury the fact that neither the families of the victims of the Dublin/Monaghan and Dublin/Monaghan bodies. Neither FF or FG have pursued these cases, have pursued the culprits because they are too closely tied with and the media in the 26 have been an absolute disgrace in pursuing justice here, utterly shameless.

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« Reply #1184 on: February 14, 2020, 02:32:39 PM »

I'm not too young.

It's a complete fabrication what you are saying, it blew over quite quickly and the state and the media in the state have long since tried to bury the fact that neither the families of the victims of the Dublin/Monaghan and Dublin/Monaghan bodies. Neither FF or FG have pursued these cases, have pursued the culprits because they are too closely tied with and the media in the 26 have been an absolute disgrace in pursuing justice here, utterly shameless.

So, its a complete fabrication that journalists like Gene Kerrigan, Vincent Browne, Veronica Guerin, Joe Joyce, Derek Dunne and Peter Murtagh investigated a series of scandals including the  Stardust fire, the Dublin & Monaghan bombings, the Fr Niall Molloy case, the Dowra affair, the Shercock case, the Richie Barron case, the Maurice McCabe case, the Derek Fairbrother case and the Kerry Babies case?

Yes or No.

A few Google searches will put you right, if you are stuck.

None of these people ever mentioned Mary Boyle anywhere.

I don't buy that they were all either afraid of Sean McEniff, or corrupted by him. The whole idea is preposterous.