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« Reply #660 on: February 23, 2020, 06:53:38 PM »
As I was in Mullingar today I havent seen McGeary red. I seem to remember though that for health and safety reasons - and to avoid high tackles - it was decided that the tackler was responsible for the safety of the person tackled. If the referee thinks the impact is dangerous it is an automatic red even if the contact is accidental.

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« Reply #661 on: February 23, 2020, 07:03:34 PM »
That’s a still.

Look I am not 100% sold it’s a red but a lot of times it would be given. It wasn’t much different to Hogan in the all Ireland hurling final.

If you think that decision was ludicrous then I suggest your objectivity could be called into question. It may have been debatable but it was not ludicrous. Imo many refs would have given that.

Can you name me an occasion when a player has been sent for a mistimed shoulder recently?

Can't really think of one myself. You see worse challenges go unpunished in every game across the country.
Mooney vs Armagh in championship last year. Exact same challenge, shouldered into the head of the player turning around. Same punishment. Protect the players. Now everyone move on. McGeary didn't do as much yapping as a lot of people on here have so he has accepted his punishment

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« Reply #662 on: February 23, 2020, 07:34:58 PM »
The following is taken from page 42 of the ref's handbook.

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SANCTIONS RELATING TO ILLEGAL CHARGE/COLLISION DETERMINED BY THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA

• If contact is made to an opponent’s head
• If opponent has no opportunity to protect himself
• If contact/impact is excessive or causes injury
• If the elbow/forearm/hurley is part of the contact
• If the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent
• The direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact

I would say that the key factor was the fact that the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself and was pretty much blindsided by McGeary.

I think McGeary wasn't helped by the fact that his elbow was some bit up prior to contact and popped up a bit when the contact was made, even though from what I saw watching the game back it didn't make any contact at all.  It probably falls into the categpry of slightly harsh, but given McGeary opted to play the man as opposed to the ball, I wouldn't have huge amounts of sympathy for him.

The bit about "contact/impact being excessive" is a terrible bit of wording on a rule.
Can anyone explain how one ref is mean to interpret this consistently, never mind different refs ?

On a related note, I'd love to see the stats on how effective the shoulder as a skill is in game - in a serious amount of cases it seems to end up being a free to the player in possession. 
Some players seem to love attempting tackles but all too often I think players would be far likelier to win the turn-over if they focused on the ball.
If McGeary had tackled the ball in this situation, I think there is strong odds he would have dispossed the Galway player, given the Galway player has the ball in a somewhat exposed position and is only holding it with one hand and McGeary is pretty much blindsiding him.

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« Reply #663 on: February 23, 2020, 07:50:05 PM »
The following is taken from page 42 of the ref's handbook.

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SANCTIONS RELATING TO ILLEGAL CHARGE/COLLISION DETERMINED BY THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA

• If contact is made to an opponent’s head
• If opponent has no opportunity to protect himself
• If contact/impact is excessive or causes injury
• If the elbow/forearm/hurley is part of the contact
• If the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent
• The direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact

I would say that the key factor was the fact that the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself and was pretty much blindsided by McGeary.

I think McGeary wasn't helped by the fact that his elbow was some bit up prior to contact and popped up a bit when the contact was made, even though from what I saw watching the game back it didn't make any contact at all.  It probably falls into the categpry of slightly harsh, but given McGeary opted to play the man as opposed to the ball, I wouldn't have huge amounts of sympathy for him.

The bit about "contact/impact being excessive" is a terrible bit of wording on a rule.
Can anyone explain how one ref is mean to interpret this consistently, never mind different refs ?

On a related note, I'd love to see the stats on how effective the shoulder as a skill is in game - in a serious amount of cases it seems to end up being a free to the player in possession. 
Some players seem to love attempting tackles but all too often I think players would be far likelier to win the turn-over if they focused on the ball.
If McGeary had tackled the ball in this situation, I think there is strong odds he would have dispossed the Galway player, given the Galway player has the ball in a somewhat exposed position and is only holding it with one hand and McGeary is pretty much blindsiding him.

He wasn't blindsided.
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« Reply #664 on: February 23, 2020, 07:50:29 PM »
That is McShane's season over.

You could see the bone coming out through his sock there.

Think McAliskey had a similar injury with Clonoe a few years back.
Given all the press around his return you could have almost have called this happening to him at some stage this season. Nightmare. Hope he has no long term issues over it

Ya looks a bad break/dislocation.

Will definitely need surgery and can't see him being involved this year now as a result. Best wishes to him as you say.

Leaves Tyrone in a bad way going forward.

The surface in Tuam is very, very bad. The ground completely gave way on him coming down there.

Conor Lane was absolutely scandalous today, think it was after he did everything he could for Galway against Derry a few years back that Brian McIver packed management in at county level. Tyrone will rue the missed chances in the first half before the red card though.

That was the qualifier game that Galway won pulling up by double scores? Yeah he made the difference that day alright

It was the qualifier game where he denied Derry a stonewall penalty with 3 points between the teams in the final ten minutes and which Galway then went straight up the pitch and scored a goal.

He was definitely the difference that day.

Tyrone threw away 4 or 5 goal chances in that first half, when the red card came in the first half and us trailing by 5 it was game up.

Lane was atrocious.

I can understand a complain about a tight call in a close game. Not in absolute hammerings however. I personally thought the red card call today was a bit harsh, but they tend to be given when you go in with that sort of force these days. We all like the fair hard hit but you get it an inch wrong and you're in trouble. Didn't make a jot of difference to the result though. Galway were 5 up at the time. They'd have won that game today with 12 men

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« Reply #665 on: February 23, 2020, 08:08:10 PM »
Thank God the Tyrone sending off is the topic of the day because Mayo were awful, bloody awful today. I haven't seen a performance that bad in a long while. I expected us to lose. But to be outscored by 2-11 to 0-5 in the second half, well you know the rest. I hope James Horan learns at least this ONE THING: don't start Jordan Flynn against Kerry, Galway or Tyrone. Nothing really against him, but he literally cannot make any physical contact with any opposition player or there'll be some kind of card handed out. Unfortunately our lack of underage success is coming home to roost.

Hmmm. There was only 2 points in it before sending off. It could have been level; Diarmuid had recently missed a very kickable free and Stephen Coen's attempt from a mark was just a ridiculous attempt by anybody that plays football.
Not sure how much lack of underage success is affecting us. We,ve won a minor and under 21 recently enough anyway. Oisín Mullin can play. If a national U20 team was picked Mullin and Towey would be a good shout to be on it. Swanee is coming along nicely, so too Ryan O Donoghue. That's not so bad. Trouble is though Horan seems to want to persist with lads that repeatedly come up a bit shy.
Need to get a bit of pace into 6 position.

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« Reply #666 on: February 23, 2020, 08:14:13 PM »
Thank God the Tyrone sending off is the topic of the day because Mayo were awful, bloody awful today. I haven't seen a performance that bad in a long while. I expected us to lose. But to be outscored by 2-11 to 0-5 in the second half, well you know the rest. I hope James Horan learns at least this ONE THING: don't start Jordan Flynn against Kerry, Galway or Tyrone. Nothing really against him, but he literally cannot make any physical contact with any opposition player or there'll be some kind of card handed out. Unfortunately our lack of underage success is coming home to roost.
It didn’t look a strong Mayo team and I guessed they would run out of steam after their first half strenuos efforts at pressing Monaghan in their own half. It was a soft red card card but Monaghan scored an immediate goal to go 5 points up,  the game was over then for Mayo, the end points tally academic. The ref was annoying in constantly disturbing the flow of the game. I thoght that pony tailed one for Mayo was fortunate not to get a straight red card for the deliberate elbow tackle, it was funny to hear the crowd give a collective gasp at the imact.

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« Reply #667 on: February 23, 2020, 08:24:06 PM »
That Galway result the most eye catching one of the weekend. No harm to see Tyrone hammered.

Banty in danger of burning Monaghan out before the summer?

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« Reply #668 on: February 23, 2020, 08:32:08 PM »
Tyrone should have just shut up shop once they went seven or eight points and two men down. They were never getting back into that game. Instead, they kept getting caught up the field with Galway players left completely unmarked out on the wing to gather a long pass and stroll through to set up easy points.

Unless scoring difference doesn't matter this year?

Walsh is some player. Don't think I can remember a man hitting long distance (or any) frees off the ground with either foot, depending on the side.

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« Reply #669 on: February 23, 2020, 08:39:37 PM »
Awful Injury to McShane....hope he recovers soon.

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« Reply #670 on: February 23, 2020, 08:47:21 PM »
I thought we were very poor against Meath today.

Thoughts.

1. We have huge problems with kick outs. Brian Kelly is very laboured and slow and kicks it aimlessly into midfield after putting himself under pressure.

2. Tommy Walsh is an animal. He turned the game. That squat of the Meath player was right in front of me

3. We are missing Crowley. We have no plug at teams running at us.

4. Clifford was electric in the first half. Very quiet in the second half.

Overall we looked tired. They look to be carrying weight all over the team. Probably a lot of gym work.

A win is a win but we were patchy

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« Reply #671 on: February 23, 2020, 09:03:48 PM »
Tim O Leary calling for Horam out on Twitter. He said he was the best man for the job a few days ago.
He's seems an eejit, with money to burn.

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« Reply #672 on: February 23, 2020, 09:20:29 PM »
Tim O Leary calling for Horam out on Twitter. He said he was the best man for the job a few days ago.
He's seems an eejit, with money to burn.

I believe he was at rugby. Did he drop his trousers when Sexton was taking his penalties?

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« Reply #673 on: February 23, 2020, 09:24:58 PM »
Galway playing some great football. Hope they keep playing like this in c’ship too. McCurry is playing some stuff from Tyrone too. Some very clever passing from him.

Still tying to get my head around how that was a straight red

Made aggressive contact with Galway man's jaw, that's why. Right call in my opinion.
😂😂😂 Aggressive contact. Is there a non aggressive contact. Was clear as day he was going for a shoulder to shoulder but the Galway lad turned at the last second. Was no where near his jaw.

If you honestly think that was red you should stick to non contact sports in all seriousness

You must be hard bartard is saying not a red. Clearly caught him in jaw. Tyrone playing the victim as usual.

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« Reply #674 on: February 23, 2020, 09:31:25 PM »
Galway playing some great football. Hope they keep playing like this in c’ship too. McCurry is playing some stuff from Tyrone too. Some very clever passing from him.

Still tying to get my head around how that was a straight red

Made aggressive contact with Galway man's jaw, that's why. Right call in my opinion.
😂😂😂 Aggressive contact. Is there a non aggressive contact. Was clear as day he was going for a shoulder to shoulder but the Galway lad turned at the last second. Was no where near his jaw.

If you honestly think that was red you should stick to non contact sports in all seriousness

You must be hard bartard is saying not a red. Clearly caught him in jaw. Tyrone playing the victim as usual.
Not at all but it's a contact sport. He was a second too late. Check out the 7 rules for red card offences and let me know which one it falls under

1. Striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow, hand, knee or head.
2. Kicking or attempting to kick with minimal force or with force or causing injury.
3. Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent.
4. Spitting at an opponent.
5. Contributing to a melee.
6. Stamping.
7. Inflicting injury recklessly.
8. Abusive language towards a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.