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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #405 on: November 07, 2019, 11:37:59 PM »
She is also just lying about the south belfast votes. Alliance are clinging onto the rather dodgy last lucid talk poll. For example if they get 32% of the vote in South Antrim ill eat my hat

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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #406 on: November 08, 2019, 09:04:42 AM »
Corbyn is up against a pathetic, hateful government, but the public don't seem to trust him and see Boris as best of them.

That's because Corbyn and his goons are about as useful as a fart in spacesuit.

Screaming "tax the rich!" or "nationalise everything!" endlessly with zero substance behind it only gets you so far.
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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #407 on: November 08, 2019, 09:16:45 AM »
Corbyn is up against a pathetic, hateful government, but the public don't seem to trust him and see Boris as best of them.

That's because Corbyn and his goons are about as useful as a fart in spacesuit.

Screaming "tax the rich!" or "nationalise everything!" endlessly with zero substance behind it only gets you so far.

Robert Shrimsley in the FT 

"Beyond Brexit, Labour has a coherent narrative. The last three years have been no advert for Tory efficiency and the last nine have not left most people feeling better off. Labour has a raft of policies with appeal to core groups. It has baubles for young and old, tenants and workers. It will not be outbid on public services. And while Mr Johnsonís spending promises play well, votersí current experiences are of austerity and cuts. Labour can, for example, note that Mr Johnsonís promised 20,000 extra police will only restore numbers to their 2010 level. Its message of a rigged society plays strongly, not least with many of those who voted Leave. This taps into a key point. Many of those who backed Brexit did so not out of a Faragist obsession with the EU, but out of a sense that the country had stopped working for them. "
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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #408 on: November 08, 2019, 09:19:29 AM »
Corbyn is up against a pathetic, hateful government, but the public don't seem to trust him and see Boris as best of them.

That's because Corbyn and his goons are about as useful as a fart in spacesuit.

Screaming "tax the rich!" or "nationalise everything!" endlessly with zero substance behind it only gets you so far.

Robert Shrimsley in the FT 

"Beyond Brexit, Labour has a coherent narrative. The last three years have been no advert for Tory efficiency and the last nine have not left most people feeling better off. Labour has a raft of policies with appeal to core groups. It has baubles for young and old, tenants and workers. It will not be outbid on public services. And while Mr Johnsonís spending promises play well, votersí current experiences are of austerity and cuts. Labour can, for example, note that Mr Johnsonís promised 20,000 extra police will only restore numbers to their 2010 level. Its message of a rigged society plays strongly, not least with many of those who voted Leave. This taps into a key point. Many of those who backed Brexit did so not out of a Faragist obsession with the EU, but out of a sense that the country had stopped working for them. "

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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #409 on: November 08, 2019, 09:32:29 AM »
In 2016, when SF held a commemoration in Westminster for the 100th Anniversary of 1916, up steps Corbyn to read the Proclamation.  Total respect 😊

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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #410 on: November 08, 2019, 10:06:56 AM »
In 2016, when SF held a commemoration in Westminster for the 100th Anniversary of 1916, up steps Corbyn to read the Proclamation.  Total respect 😊

Sweet, give him the keys to the NHS and the education system because of it.
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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #411 on: November 08, 2019, 10:10:02 AM »
Could be a tough response on the doors for SF with Nurses now due to go on strike in NI. MON was the last health minister before SF collapsed Stormont and obviously didn't increase pay levels when they had the chance. Their "solidarity with Nurses" line rings a bit hollow.


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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #412 on: November 08, 2019, 10:34:17 AM »
Corbyn is up against a pathetic, hateful government, but the public don't seem to trust him and see Boris as best of them.

That's because Corbyn and his goons are about as useful as a fart in spacesuit.

Screaming "tax the rich!" or "nationalise everything!" endlessly with zero substance behind it only gets you so far.

What about "protect workers rights", "protect the nhs", protect the poor in society rather than demonise them....I think that gets you a bit further too.
For your quote above, I genuinely don't know where this opinion comes from. I hear similar things in the press or the panel shows from some people, but I have yet to hear what exact policy/policies this is based on. I'm not having a go, it's a genuine question....why do you have this opinion.
On the face of it I think Corbyn speaks a lot of sense and if I'm missing something about what he has/hasn't done I'd like to be educated!
Question Time last night, one of the panellists said that this Labour opposition have defeated the government more than any other opposition in history. I'm not sure if that's true, but if it is, surely that demonstrates that they are capable?

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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #413 on: November 08, 2019, 10:40:24 AM »
Could be a tough response on the doors for SF with Nurses now due to go on strike in NI. MON was the last health minister before SF collapsed Stormont and obviously didn't increase pay levels when they had the chance. Their "solidarity with Nurses" line rings a bit hollow.

NHS is a mess - whoever has it.  Slugger was on radio this morning.  In south he said, they call the Health brief Angola, as there's mindfields everywhere you turn.


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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #414 on: November 08, 2019, 10:49:17 AM »
I presume 8 DUPUDA shoe ins, hopefully they lose both North and South Belfast but will possibly gain North Down.
Presumably 5 SF shoe ins plus hopefully North Belfast and Fermanagh/Tyrone.
SDLP hopefully South Belfast and possibly "Foyle".
Have Alliance or the cowardly UUP any chance of a seat?
1 BIG CUP and 1 Cupeen so far....

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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #415 on: November 08, 2019, 10:53:33 AM »
The problem is that Corbyn's gang don't actually have any solutions to anything. They can just criticise. I think we can all agree "Protect the NHS" is a great idea. The most important question is "how?". You only have to look at examples of Abbott and Corbyn himself bumbling around the place unable to work their calculators to demonstrate how much spoofing they actually do.

Defeats the UK government have suffered have been down to the bungling incompetence of the Tories and the fact the UK has absolutely no idea what it wants out of Brexit, not because of some political mastery from Corbyn. Look at the way he and Labour have flip flopped all over the place with regards to the election as an example. Look at his absolute inability to stop the party fracturing. "Hey lads, let's all agree to zero tolerance on racism and sectarianism" shouldn't be a difficult concept for a Labour leader to pull together.

And don't ever forget that he's a Brexiteer himself.

The UK is absolutely fucked. If it's a choice between Johnson or Corbyn, the best option would be to pack the bags and move abroad.
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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #416 on: November 08, 2019, 11:00:18 AM »
The problem is that Corbyn's gang don't actually have any solutions to anything. They can just criticise. I think we can all agree "Protect the NHS" is a great idea. The most important question is "how?". You only have to look at examples of Abbott and Corbyn himself bumbling around the place unable to work their calculators to demonstrate how much spoofing they actually do.

Defeats the UK government have suffered have been down to the bungling incompetence of the Tories and the fact the UK has absolutely no idea what it wants out of Brexit, not because of some political mastery from Corbyn. Look at the way he and Labour have flip flopped all over the place with regards to the election as an example. Look at his absolute inability to stop the party fracturing. "Hey lads, let's all agree to zero tolerance on racism and sectarianism" shouldn't be a difficult concept for a Labour leader to pull together.

And don't ever forget that he's a Brexiteer himself.

The UK is absolutely fucked. If it's a choice between Johnson or Corbyn, the best option would be to pack the bags and move abroad.
They are going to invest in the UK and get growth going again.
No more austerity. those are solutions
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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #417 on: November 08, 2019, 11:05:21 AM »
They're not solutions. They're aspirations.
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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #418 on: November 08, 2019, 11:12:32 AM »
They're not solutions. They're aspirations.
There is enough money in the UK to kickstart growth.

BBC viewers seem to have a very negative view of Corbyn for some reason.
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Re: UK General Election December 2019
« Reply #419 on: November 08, 2019, 11:22:41 AM »
I presume 8 DUPUDA shoe ins, hopefully they lose both North and South Belfast but will possibly gain North Down.
Presumably 5 SF shoe ins plus hopefully North Belfast and Fermanagh/Tyrone.
SDLP hopefully South Belfast and possibly "Foyle".
Have Alliance or the cowardly UUP any chance of a seat?

Alliance best hope is in the east. I think they have a chance. I don't think the UUP have any chance at all.

Jury is our on whether north down will move to alliance. I don't think so though.