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[Main Street]

A Boeing plane crashes shortly after leaving Tehran en route to Ukraine, killing all 170+ onboard.

Is that just an extraordinary awful coincidence?

And Iran wont hand over the black box.

Definitely coincidence 

Hand it over to?

Boeing

I think most countries would not trust Boeing to perform an independent assessment of why their own plane went down. An aviation authority should be doing the investigation, albeit allowing Boeing access to all the information, but not control of it.

For the Ethiopian Airlines crash, Boeing offered to do the investigation with the aid of US aviation authorities. The Ethiopians instead asked the French to lead the investigation.

Of course, the Iranians carrying out the investigation by themselves would not be satisfactory.

From reading accounts, the engine caught fire suddenly and the pilots did not radio/signal any emergencies. There could be a myriad of different reasons for the crash. My money would be on a rocket, accidentally fired by the Iranians. It would be some coincidence that a mechanical accident happened on this night of all nights (especially with no emergency broadcasts) and it doesn't make any sense that anyone would have taken this "target" out on purpose.

Allegedly the missile batteries that were firing on the US bases are near Tehran Airport.

Looking like that plane was in the flight path of a missile...

Looks like we will have to wait for the investigation to determine the cause of the crash.

Justin Bronk debunks the misslie theory. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1215226280943157249.html
 no evidence to support the missile theory -  no missile plume and such a missile to do that damage would have to be quite a size.

Quite a debunking 

Don't mock, 1t was a good debunking of the missile theory  according of the available evidence at that time.
And there was the small print at the end,  "None of which is intended to say that a SAM fired in error is impossible; maybe it was somehow. However, I would suggest it’s enough to assume an accident on board until air crash investigators get a good look at the wreckage and decide otherwise. 

[Hound]

You’d have to be extremely gullible to believe that. Given airplane accidents causing massive death are so rare, and a plane goes down not only on the same day Iran are firing missiles, but in the same country!!

[Tony Baloney]

You’d have to be extremely gullible to believe that. Given airplane accidents causing massive death are so rare, and a plane goes down not only on the same day Iran are firing missiles, but in the same country!!

In flames, shortly after take off. An aviation accident expert said, before it was confirmed as shot down, that if it wasn't shot down it would be an accident unique in commercial aviation history. Therefore, the odds of an accident on the same day, same country and within the same timeframe as the missile attacks....

[Main Street]

You’d have to be extremely gullible to believe that. Given airplane accidents causing massive death are so rare, and a plane goes down not only on the same day Iran are firing missiles, but in the same country!!

Exteremely gullible me hole.
Who said I believed it wasn't a missile?  Justin Bronk said there wasn't enough available evidence to support the validity of missile theory  and to wait until experts  examined the scene to determine whether it was a missile or not
Did you even read what he wrote?
It was later that day that more radar detection evidence was revealed. Real evidence not suppositions.
But yes I do believe it prudent to be cautious in hysterical times and wait for the real evidence rather that rely on suppositions.

[Hound]

You’d have to be extremely gullible to believe that. Given airplane accidents causing massive death are so rare, and a plane goes down not only on the same day Iran are firing missiles, but in the same country!!

Exteremely gullible me hole.
Who said I believed it wasn't a missile?  Justin Bronk said there wasn't enough available evidence to support the validity of missile theory  and to wait until experts  examined the scene to determine whether it was a missile or not
Did you even read what he wrote?
It was later that day that more radar detection evidence was revealed. Real evidence not suppositions.
But yes I do believe it prudent to be cautious in hysterical times and wait for the real evidence rather that rely on suppositions.

You don't have to wait for evidence when there's only one possible explanation. The evidence was inevitable. And so it proved.

Oh yes, there was that 0.0000000001% chance that an unprecedented accident happened on the same day and in the same place as Iran were firing missiles!!!!

[GetOverTheBar]

Seems awful convenient to me that Iran has shot down a passenger plane just days after becoming the focus of the world once more lads....

FFS!!

The Iranians were on high alert in case the yanks were going to retaliate for the bombing of the airbase in Iraq which had just happened. Someone fooked up and fired at the airplane. It was an accident. The Iranians ballsed up. They’re not the first country to accidentally take out a passenger plane and even the yanks aren’t going hard on them for the mistake as they’ve had countless ‘friendly fire’ incidents.

The Ukranians are rightly annoyed, losing 11 people and a plane, and presumably the Iranians will give them a bundle of cash in compo. The rest of the passengers were pretty much all Iranian born (although half of them had dual nationality), so I don’t think the rest of the world will get too hung up about it, like the 50+ who got stampeded to death

I'm not crying conspiracy, but I am saying it's a bit iffy that the West has quickly rushed to say the Iranians are 100% definitely to blame for this. Offered no evidence and Iran has today actually asked them to provide evidence which is interesting.

These missiles don't just fire by malfunction, in a world of cyber attacks and the likes these things surely are harder to fire than simply hitting the wrong button on the xbox remote. On balance, yes your reasoning is more likely than my own but what better way to discredit the Iranians (moreso) to the world, it'll be interesting to see what the Americans present as evidence.

Iran 100% to blame, their words

Swing and a miss!