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Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2019, 03:16:38 PM »
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier

Errigal Ciaran thirds could win the Derry or Down championships ffs! ;D
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Errigal 3rds canít even win the junior in Tyrone FFS

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Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2019, 03:21:58 PM »
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier

Can only presume you havent watched a Tyrone championship game. Winners of Derry or Down championship in the last 3 years wouldnt even be considered for the Tyrone championship if they were in it, its a whole different ball game.
Gweedore would would have struggled to win the Tyrone championship last year.
Tyrone championship is the most competitive championship in the Country, getting out of it is the hardest part.

And i would add that division 2 winners this year in Tyrone would give a good rattle at a few other county senior championships in Ulster.

Slaughtneil???

Would have struggled in the Tyrone championship, tight pitches, high intensity, anything could happen on the day

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Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2019, 03:53:39 PM »
Jaysus Tyrone ones have a serious high opinion of their championship. EC are the only team to have ever won Ulster and havenít won it since 2002.  They were lucky to as hell to beat us that year too.  Tyrone may be more competitive but that doesnít make it harder to win.  The reality is that Tyrone teams at senior club level have not bee good enough simple as that.  If Trillick make the push through this year then fair play but to be honest I doubt it.  Iíd fancy Kilcoo or Magherfelt to beat them handy should they beat Newtownbutler.

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Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2019, 04:03:04 PM »
Jaysus Tyrone ones have a serious high opinion of their championship. EC are the only team to have ever won Ulster and havenít won it since 2002.  They were lucky to as hell to beat us that year too.  Tyrone may be more competitive but that doesnít make it harder to win.  The reality is that Tyrone teams at senior club level have not bee good enough simple as that.  If Trillick make the push through this year then fair play but to be honest I doubt it.  Iíd fancy Kilcoo or Magherfelt to beat them handy should they beat Newtownbutler.

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Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2019, 04:03:54 PM »
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier

Can only presume you havent watched a Tyrone championship game. Winners of Derry or Down championship in the last 3 years wouldnt even be considered for the Tyrone championship if they were in it, its a whole different ball game.
Gweedore would would have struggled to win the Tyrone championship last year.
Tyrone championship is the most competitive championship in the Country, getting out of it is the hardest part.

And i would add that division 2 winners this year in Tyrone would give a good rattle at a few other county senior championships in Ulster.

Don't believe this for a minute - come out of Tyrone and they can't compete - simple as that.

Cant compete? incorrect.
Goal at the start of the year for every Tyrone side is to win the Tyrone championship, not the ulster championship. Tyrone is that difficult to win that the clubs give absolutely everything to win it, having little left in the tank for Ulster. Also, Tyrone championship fixtures are a bit of a joke, county board fire them in anywhere, players are the last to know anything. Honestly think if a Top Tyrone side were in the Cavan, Antrim or Down championship they would be challenging for the Ulster club and all ireland every year.
There is a reason why nobody can defend the Tyrone championship lately

I don't buy that at all - Tyrone people say this to make them fell better when they continually fail to do well in Ulster.

True, it may be hard to win Tyrone on a yearly basis as there are a few teams of a similiar standard.  That doesn't infer that the standard is high as this illustrates itself when a Tyrone senior club team steps up into Ulster. 

This, "the Tyrone c'ship is so tough" is waffle - every county championship is hard to win.  They get their 2 week's break or 1 week's break like every other team in Ulster.

The poor 'we're wrecked/nothing left in tank" before we get out of Tyrone is another excuse - put that into context - how did Slaughtneil contend with hurling and football week after week in two codes?   Look at Portglenone/LŠmh Dhearg/Cargin with the extra time and replays etc. ...now that's "having nothing left in the tank". 

Football only clubs in Tyrone should have no excuses - other counties don't throw out excuses.

Trillick should do well though - decent team with a good rest  :)




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Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2019, 04:08:30 PM »
I think this argument came up a few years back, that most other country champions would struggle to win Tyrone.  To that end I argue the point that:

1 Ė what is the point of county championships? Easy, to find the ďbestĒ team in knockout football over a series of games within that county. 
2 Ė what is the point in the provincial club championship? To find the best team in knockout football throughout the province by pitting each counties ďbestĒ team against each other. 

Thereby if the county champions from Down or Derry were to beat the county champions from Tyrone you would have to consider they could win their championship if entered.  Beating the Tyrone champions should more than validate they are good enough to win Tyrone club. 
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Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2019, 04:42:30 PM »
Jaysus Tyrone ones have a serious high opinion of their championship. EC are the only team to have ever won Ulster and havenít won it since 2002.  They were lucky to as hell to beat us that year too.  Tyrone may be more competitive but that doesnít make it harder to win.  The reality is that Tyrone teams at senior club level have not bee good enough simple as that.  If Trillick make the push through this year then fair play but to be honest I doubt it.  Iíd fancy Kilcoo or Magherfelt to beat them handy should they beat Newtownbutler.

What's Cross record like against Tyrone teams, think Errigal have beaten them twice and Omagh once.

I would imagine a side like Omagh would have won an Ulster club if they were in another county championship a few years back - teams like Cross, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo, Scotstown are back every year and that is more an indication of the lack of competition in their county championship.

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« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2019, 04:46:41 PM »
Jaysus Tyrone ones have a serious high opinion of their championship. EC are the only team to have ever won Ulster and havenít won it since 2002.  They were lucky to as hell to beat us that year too.  Tyrone may be more competitive but that doesnít make it harder to win.  The reality is that Tyrone teams at senior club level have not bee good enough simple as that.  If Trillick make the push through this year then fair play but to be honest I doubt it.  Iíd fancy Kilcoo or Magherfelt to beat them handy should they beat Newtownbutler.

What's Cross record like against Tyrone teams, think Errigal have beaten them twice and Omagh once.

I would imagine a side like Omagh would have won an Ulster club if they were in another county championship a few years back - teams like Cross, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo, Scotstown are back every year and that is more an indication of the lack of competition in their county championship.

Why do you imagine this Angelo?

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« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2019, 04:49:01 PM »
Alternatively those teams mentioned which dominate their county championships are just very good teams...

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« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2019, 04:49:32 PM »
Jaysus Tyrone ones have a serious high opinion of their championship. EC are the only team to have ever won Ulster and havenít won it since 2002.  They were lucky to as hell to beat us that year too.  Tyrone may be more competitive but that doesnít make it harder to win.  The reality is that Tyrone teams at senior club level have not bee good enough simple as that.  If Trillick make the push through this year then fair play but to be honest I doubt it.  Iíd fancy Kilcoo or Magherfelt to beat them handy should they beat Newtownbutler.

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« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2019, 04:51:09 PM »
If Omagh where in another county, they would have to win that first, never mind Ulster....
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Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2019, 05:02:57 PM »
The Tyronies are gas altogether

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« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2019, 05:16:54 PM »
If Omagh where in another county, they would have to win that first, never mind Ulster....

It would be much easier win another county title than Tyrone.

Clontibret and Scotstown have won the last 7 Monaghan Championships between them. Ballinderry and Slaughtneil had won 7 consecutive titles between them up until last year. Cross have won 21 of the last 24 Armagh Championships? Kilcoo and Burren have shared the last 11 Down titles between them. Derrygonnelly are five in a row in Fermanagh.

I think it's clear which counties need to get their club championships in order......

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« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2019, 05:23:07 PM »
Looks a wide open competition as there are no stand out teams.

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís.
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions?
Clontibret 14/1.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them

I will tip kilcoo although their odds are poor at 4/1

Cross 11/4. Their tradition alone makes them contenders. 2 outstanding talents in the OíNeillís. - Cant disagree
Gweedore 3/1. They donít appear to have the same appetite as last year - Not the same hunger, no fire in the belly this year it seems
Kilcoo 4/1. Stumbled through down but this is where mickey Moran has to earn his considerable corn. They have a serious chance - too distracted by off field antics
Trillick 9/2. Donít know much about them. Tyroneís record wouldnít inspire confidence - wouldnt look into Tyrones record, its arguably harder to win Tyrone than to win ulster.
Glenties 11/1. Some quality but outsiders - Not near it, werent all that impressive over the weekend in the drawn game.
Magherafelt 11/1. Seems like big odds for Derry champions? - Dark horse, however I think there content with a county title. I could be wrong.. but im always right.
Clontibret 14/1. - kick the thing in and theyll go far.
Derrygonnolly 16/1. They will not be far off trillick. - Nobody is far off Trillick. If your far off trillick you may pack it in, overrated.
Castlerahan 22/1. Know nothing about them - Have a difficult first round test vs Donegal champs, cant see it ending well.
Mystic Soil has spoken

It's arguably harder to win Tyrone champsionship that to win Ulster? Would an Tyrone team win the Down/Derry championship easier

Errigal Ciaran thirds could win the Derry or Down championships ffs! ;D
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Errigal 3rds canít even win the junior in Tyrone FFS

That's cos Tyrone junior championship is a higher standard of football than Derry or Down Senior championships!

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« Reply #59 on: October 23, 2019, 05:27:06 PM »
I love how you spin stuff Angelo. No Tyrone winners since 2002 and only one Tyrone club have ever won it. That would go against the quote "I think it's clear which counties need to get their club championships in order......".

There I spun that another way for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Senior_Club_Football_Championship
That doesn't make great reading for Tyrone clubs.