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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2019, 10:12:45 AM »
The law with its black and white can never resolve something as nuanced as NI identity. That is the whole point of the GFA.
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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2019, 10:16:21 AM »
I'm sure the Brits could amend their Nationality Act to take the GFA clause into account.
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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2019, 10:24:02 AM »
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2019, 10:25:10 AM »
Britain - Union between England and Wales
Great Britain - Union between England Wales and Scotland
UK - GB & 6 counties
Free State - demilitrised zone for quislings

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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2019, 10:30:44 AM »
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Well Jesus SF were in there negotiating so hardly surprising, they would not be  known for their high end intellect

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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2019, 10:34:04 AM »
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Well Jesus SF were in there negotiating so hardly surprising, they would not be  known for their high end intellect

I think every party on the nationalist side were in 'negotiating'.

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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2019, 10:50:38 AM »
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Well Jesus SF were in there negotiating so hardly surprising, they would not be  known for their high end intellect

Was it not the SDLP that did the heavy lifting for the GFA on the nationalist side?

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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2019, 11:07:35 AM »
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Yes the last 25 years of peace have really fucked me off!!  ::) ::)

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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2019, 11:57:17 AM »
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Well Jesus SF were in there negotiating so hardly surprising, they would not be  known for their high end intellect

I think every party on the nationalist side were in 'negotiating'.

British diplomacy in a nutshell it seems.

You think they're giving something away but really they're not.

Hence the reason the EU is big into legally binding text and Boris and Co want well meaning documents which means SFA.

If you pay the £380 odd quid to renounce your british citizenship, do you also need some other Government to offer you their citizenship in parallel as you can't be countryless so to speak (unless you are a jihadi bride) ?

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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2019, 12:10:34 PM »
I think if British courts are going to churn out decisions like this and bringing into question the integrity of the GFA then it will speed up a UI referendum, well thatís how I feel about this BS.

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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2019, 12:14:11 PM »
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Yes the last 25 years of peace have really fucked me off!!  ::) ::)

Well, there were a few ceasefires before that, so it was leading towards peace. The paramilitaries  and Brits couldnít and didnít want to continue. The game was up. The GFA looked after those in politics connected to the armed struggle, and their cronies. They needed a safety net if they were eventually linked to murders/activity. The GFA guaranteed them that, as did their entry to politics/Stormont.

The De Souza case has shown up the worthlessness of this Irish identity thing in the North. It clearly means nothing. It was a ruse to let people think they are important and their rights/culture etc are being looked after.

The GFA has also help divide this place even more, as people grabbed onto the Irish/British thing, Ulster Scots etc. Itís not as if nationalists woke up after the GFA, and thought... I think Iíll identify myself as Irish now because the GFA said I could.

On the border poll thing too - I donít believe it will ever happen. Itís basically at the Britsí discretion if and when to call for a border poll. If someone or group say, hey Britain itís time for a poll... theyíll just say, nah itís not. Thereís not adequate support for it. Well, how do you know unless you have a poll??? Itíll never happen. Then, if SF call for a border poll at any time, itíll be answered with ďoh here we go again!Ē. And the more they ask for it, the less the Brits will listen and it will have no value in asking for one.

As I said, duped.

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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2019, 12:21:10 PM »
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Well Jesus SF were in there negotiating so hardly surprising, they would not be  known for their high end intellect

I think every party on the nationalist side were in 'negotiating'.

British diplomacy in a nutshell it seems.

You think they're giving something away but really they're not.

Hence the reason the EU is big into legally binding text and Boris and Co want well meaning documents which means SFA.

If you pay the £380 odd quid to renounce your british citizenship, do you also need some other Government to offer you their citizenship in parallel as you can't be countryless so to speak (unless you are a jihadi bride) ?

If you apply to renounce your British citizenship you either have to have citizenship from another state or must acquire same within 6 months otherwise your application is rescinded.

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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2019, 01:09:31 PM »
I think the long term behaviour of the DUP indicates that NI as a political confection  is doomed.
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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2019, 01:18:11 PM »
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Well Jesus SF were in there negotiating so hardly surprising, they would not be  known for their high end intellect

I think every party on the nationalist side were in 'negotiating'.

Aye, but SF watered down the IQ count

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Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2019, 01:30:03 PM »
just for clarity, people on here seem to think the GFA stops at saying we can idientofy as British, Irish or both so here is the actual wording

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recognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to
identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they
may so choose, and accordingly confirm that their right to hold both
British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would
not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland.