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BennyCake

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Irelandís drugs epidemic
« on: October 09, 2019, 12:27:25 AM »
Yer man Carvill wrote a piece this week, and it got me thinking.

We live in a time where there has never been more awareness programs in schools, sports clubs, on TV etc. People are more educated about the dangers of drugs, yet there seems to be more and more people gripped by drugs problems.

Iíd say most towns and villages in the country are touched in some way. Itís frightening.

What can be done? And why are drugs so prevalent all around the country?

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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2019, 01:08:21 AM »
Heard a good one about the study that was done that formed the basis of a lot of modern drug policy. In the original experiment, they had two groups of rats. One was fed water from two sources, the other was fed water from one source and heroin-infused water from the other. The group that was fed heroin got addicted and had lots of health problems as a result, that group that wasn't exposed to heroin did not.

Conclusion: Drugs are bad.

The researcher revisited it years later because he thought something was wrong with the experiment. So he conducted a new experiment. This time there was a group of rats that was fed heroin like before, and like the previous experiment it was in a featureless and sterile environment where the rats were given no stimulation. The second group was also fed water infused with heroin and regular water from a different source, but this group was housed in a different environment. It was comfortable, cozy, and the rats in that group had lots of food, company, sex, etc. Kinda like a rat heaven. Well in this experiment the group in the enriched environment still showed some interest in the heroin-infused water at the beginning, but didn't become addicted like the ones in the other group.

Conclusion: Drug addiction is a consequence of more than just availability of drugs, it's a symptom of an absence of the things that make life interesting or fulfilling.

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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2019, 01:09:49 AM »
Just had a look for the Carvill piece and it seems to be subscriber only. What's the gist of it?

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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2019, 09:12:35 AM »
I'm a subscriber but they don't let you copy the article, if anyone knows what can be done there let me know and I'll paste the lot.

Talks about meeting a lad off his face in the Holylands on a Tuesday morning, fairly unresponsive, couldn't help him as he couldn't speak so he left him and went about his business.

Names Pomeroy as an area blighted by drugs.

Talks about the death of a young lad from Silverbridge and how they had a night for awareness when his mother spoke days after the death.

Says he regrets walking away from the young lad in the Holylands, hopes he's getting the help he needs and that the GAA community needs to stand up to drugs together.

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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2019, 09:34:10 AM »
Reality is individual clubs can take a stand against this by removing those who they know are involved in drug use from their teams and strip them of club membership. It has absolutely zero place in our communities or our association.

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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2019, 09:37:02 AM »
I have to say, I was totally naÔve to the drug problems in our local area until recently. I live in a fairly rural area and the ease which people can access cocaine in particular is frightening. What's more frightening is the attitude towards it, it seems to be nearly accepted as normal recreational behaviour. As a club we have tried to increase awareness of the long term effects of addiction and drug use but I am afraid that is not enough, this problem is only going to get bigger.
It is what it is. Presumably.

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2019, 09:40:40 AM »
Reality is individual clubs can take a stand against this by removing those who they know are involved in drug use from their teams and strip them of club membership. It has absolutely zero place in our communities or our association.

Whilst I agree with your thinking - the reality is, good players will never be chased from clubs. You know yourself that is a non runner. Infact the way the GAA is going, any player will not be chased from a club.

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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2019, 10:04:28 AM »
Reality is individual clubs can take a stand against this by removing those who they know are involved in drug use from their teams and strip them of club membership. It has absolutely zero place in our communities or our association.
To be honest thats an absolute non runner. Impossible to police and unfair to expect club members to police it. Its not like fellas be landing down to the club off their nut. How would you go about it? "Johnny I hear you were doing a few lines at a party at the weekend, dont come back through those gates". Hes likely to tell you to go fcuk yourself.

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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2019, 10:28:09 AM »
Reality is individual clubs can take a stand against this by removing those who they know are involved in drug use from their teams and strip them of club membership. It has absolutely zero place in our communities or our association.
To be honest thats an absolute non runner. Impossible to police and unfair to expect club members to police it. Its not like fellas be landing down to the club off their nut. How would you go about it? "Johnny I hear you were doing a few lines at a party at the weekend, dont come back through those gates". Hes likely to tell you to go fcuk yourself.

And rightly so. There is a major issue with this but as you say its unfair to ask clubmen to police it. Where does it stop? Do you strip membership off the player who gets in a car after 3 pints? If it was down to me I would have much less issue with a lad who takes a line of coke every now and again and doesnt really harm anyone else than the drink driver who puts other people at risk.


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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2019, 10:30:44 AM »
Reality is individual clubs can take a stand against this by removing those who they know are involved in drug use from their teams and strip them of club membership. It has absolutely zero place in our communities or our association.
To be honest thats an absolute non runner. Impossible to police and unfair to expect club members to police it. Its not like fellas be landing down to the club off their nut. How would you go about it? "Johnny I hear you were doing a few lines at a party at the weekend, dont come back through those gates". Hes likely to tell you to go fcuk yourself.
Well then dont come crying and complaining when the culture develops. If this sort of stuff was nipped in the bud then there is no issue. People involved in this sort of carry on need ostracised from the community and then young people will think twice about engaging in behaviour like this. Not a nice thing to have to do but ultimately needed.

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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2019, 10:32:49 AM »
Reality is individual clubs can take a stand against this by removing those who they know are involved in drug use from their teams and strip them of club membership. It has absolutely zero place in our communities or our association.
To be honest thats an absolute non runner. Impossible to police and unfair to expect club members to police it. Its not like fellas be landing down to the club off their nut. How would you go about it? "Johnny I hear you were doing a few lines at a party at the weekend, dont come back through those gates". Hes likely to tell you to go fcuk yourself.
Well then dont come crying and complaining when the culture develops. If this sort of stuff was nipped in the bud then there is no issue. People involved in this sort of carry on need ostracised from the community and then young people will think twice about engaging in behaviour like this. Not a nice thing to have to do but ultimately needed.
Well then you are saying that you dont have much of an issue with recreational drug use (which is fine) but you obviously fail to understand the viscious cycle it leads to where young and impressionable lads and girls get caught up in it because of no one making that big a deal out of it.

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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2019, 10:37:43 AM »
Reality is individual clubs can take a stand against this by removing those who they know are involved in drug use from their teams and strip them of club membership. It has absolutely zero place in our communities or our association.
To be honest thats an absolute non runner. Impossible to police and unfair to expect club members to police it. Its not like fellas be landing down to the club off their nut. How would you go about it? "Johnny I hear you were doing a few lines at a party at the weekend, dont come back through those gates". Hes likely to tell you to go fcuk yourself.
Well then dont come crying and complaining when the culture develops. If this sort of stuff was nipped in the bud then there is no issue. People involved in this sort of carry on need ostracised from the community and then young people will think twice about engaging in behaviour like this. Not a nice thing to have to do but ultimately needed.
Well then you are saying that you dont have much of an issue with recreational drug use (which is fine) but you obviously fail to understand the viscious cycle it leads to where young and impressionable lads and girls get caught up in it because of no one making that big a deal out of it.
Yeah, like drinking and smoking. I haven't seen a single family yet that hasn't been affected by drink. When are we going to something about that vicious cycle?

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Re: Irelandís drugs epidemic
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2019, 10:41:33 AM »
Just because drinking & smoking is legal it doesnt mean they effect people any less.

While drug use is on the increase, especially in rural areas, one can assume it has a long way to go before it reaches the destructive levels that drink and smoking have reached

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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2019, 10:47:58 AM »
Reality is individual clubs can take a stand against this by removing those who they know are involved in drug use from their teams and strip them of club membership. It has absolutely zero place in our communities or our association.
To be honest thats an absolute non runner. Impossible to police and unfair to expect club members to police it. Its not like fellas be landing down to the club off their nut. How would you go about it? "Johnny I hear you were doing a few lines at a party at the weekend, dont come back through those gates". Hes likely to tell you to go fcuk yourself.
Well then dont come crying and complaining when the culture develops. If this sort of stuff was nipped in the bud then there is no issue. People involved in this sort of carry on need ostracised from the community and then young people will think twice about engaging in behaviour like this. Not a nice thing to have to do but ultimately needed.
Well then you are saying that you dont have much of an issue with recreational drug use (which is fine) but you obviously fail to understand the viscious cycle it leads to where young and impressionable lads and girls get caught up in it because of no one making that big a deal out of it.
Yeah, like drinking and smoking. I haven't seen a single family yet that hasn't been affected by drink. When are we going to something about that vicious cycle?

Glad someone else has pointed out they are drugs also.

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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2019, 10:53:42 AM »
Just because drinking & smoking is legal it doesnt mean they effect people any less.

While drug use is on the increase, especially in rural areas, one can assume it has a long way to go before it reaches the destructive levels that drink and smoking have reached
Exactly