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« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2019, 11:07:40 AM »
Exactly. The IRA leaders sent these men out knowing that they would be killed.

The IRA leadership sent their most effective unit out to be killed?

You do talk some utter sh1te don't you.

I would query why there was a whole unit used on that job though... I'd have thought these cells operated in small groups, 4 or so, this was to stop information being leaked

Father Faul wasn't backwards in coming forwards about what happened at Loughgall.

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« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2019, 11:42:30 AM »
Exactly. The IRA leaders sent these men out knowing that they would be killed.

The IRA leadership sent their most effective unit out to be killed?

You do talk some utter sh1te don't you.

I would query why there was a whole unit used on that job though... I'd have thought these cells operated in small groups, 4 or so, this was to stop information being leaked

Father Faul wasn't backwards in coming forwards about what happened at Loughgall.
He didn't say what happened nor did he say what he believed had happened. He merely referenced a rumour about what happened and said he found the rumour intriguing. The absolutely ridiculous rumour being that Adams set up the IRA unit to be wiped out.

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« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2019, 11:50:02 AM »
Exactly. The IRA leaders sent these men out knowing that they would be killed.

The IRA leadership sent their most effective unit out to be killed?

You do talk some utter sh1te don't you.

I would query why there was a whole unit used on that job though... I'd have thought these cells operated in small groups, 4 or so, this was to stop information being leaked

Father Faul wasn't backwards in coming forwards about what happened at Loughgall.
He didn't say what happened nor did he say what he believed had happened. He merely referenced a rumour about what happened and said he found the rumour intriguing. The absolutely ridiculous rumour being that Adams set up the IRA unit to be wiped out.

Not all that ridiculous to be honest.

Most uncontrollable unit, arguably the most successful unit, biggest barrier to peace, alleged/proven depending on who you talk to hatred between Adams/Lynagh....I'm not saying I agree with it, but I am saying that the whole truth about Loughgall has not and probably never will be known.

I admit I'm slightly biased to the events at Loughgall considering I had some family link to the event, I am open minded enough to accept that you may be correct. I'm also open minded enough to accept that not everything about that day adds up.

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« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2019, 12:45:40 PM »
Exactly. The IRA leaders sent these men out knowing that they would be killed.

The IRA leadership sent their most effective unit out to be killed?

You do talk some utter sh1te don't you.

I would query why there was a whole unit used on that job though... I'd have thought these cells operated in small groups, 4 or so, this was to stop information being leaked

Hmm yeah, you never know. Does make you wonder why so many big men went on that job

In the same way Bono flies separately to gigs from the others in U2. Of course, that could just be that the other 3 think hes a knobhead and insist he flies separately

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« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2019, 01:08:45 PM »
Maybe Bono flies with Ryanair with their  low CO2[/sub][/sub] fuel.
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« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2019, 01:37:58 PM »
Exactly. The IRA leaders sent these men out knowing that they would be killed.

The IRA leadership sent their most effective unit out to be killed?

You do talk some utter sh1te don't you.

Anyone with an once of sense knows that they were set up. To think that the British Army stumbled across this kind of operation is extremely foolish.

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« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2019, 01:40:18 PM »
Did Peter Taylor not touch on this in his recent doc?? (not about Bono obvs)
« Last Edit: October 07, 2019, 01:52:27 PM by Jeepers Creepers »

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« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2019, 07:00:30 PM »
Exactly. The IRA leaders sent these men out knowing that they would be killed.

The IRA leadership sent their most effective unit out to be killed?

You do talk some utter sh1te don't you.

I would query why there was a whole unit used on that job though... I'd have thought these cells operated in small groups, 4 or so, this was to stop information being leaked

Hmm yeah, you never know. Does make you wonder why so many big men went on that job

In the same way Bono flies separately to gigs from the others in U2. Of course, that could just be that the other 3 think hes a knobhead and insist he flies separately

Bono and planes are not the best of friends, apparently hes had a few near misses. Id say they dont want to fly with him, and hes a knobhead
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« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2019, 09:19:17 PM »
Believe 'victims' campaigner Willy's terrorism links (surprise surprise) will be covered in this week's show. The hypocrisy of unionists/loyalists is truly vomit inducing.

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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2019, 08:06:01 PM »
There is a review of episode 5 on Slugger O'Toole (the author saw a preview showing). As red hander stated it seems to focus heavily on the orange side of the fence

https://sluggerotoole.com/2019/10/08/spotlight-a-secret-history-of-the-troubles-episode-5-a-dirty-war-with-unionist-political-support-for-loyalist-insurrection-security-service-and-government-support-for-collision-bbc-one-ni-and-bb/


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« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2019, 09:51:23 PM »
Believe 'victims' campaigner Willy's terrorism links (surprise surprise) will be covered in this week's show. The hypocrisy of unionists/loyalists is truly vomit inducing.

Willie's close 'friend' Pastor Barry Halliday showing how much of a man of god he is.


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Willie Frazer's close friend Barry Halliday has posted a video apparently endorsing his actions, saying "if somebody's pointing a gun, why wouldn't we point a gun back?" and "I'm not going to disassociate myself &...I'm not worried about the lesser breeds"
https://www.facebook.com/william.frazer.58/videos/2962585980427140/
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« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2019, 10:35:25 PM »
To think that slime ball was invited to march his brigade of bigots down O Connell street. We owe the dubs a great thank you for stopping that happening.

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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2019, 06:53:15 AM »
Willy as dangerous as he was is only the low Hanging fruit.

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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2019, 07:52:44 AM »
Exactly. The IRA leaders sent these men out knowing that they would be killed.

The IRA leadership sent their most effective unit out to be killed?

You do talk some utter sh1te don't you.

Its pretty well accepted that Lynagh and probably a good squad of East Tyrone was on the verge of joining O'Bradaigh and what became the Contos. Losing your most effective unit to a rival organisation gives the motive.

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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2019, 01:14:54 PM »
Exactly. The IRA leaders sent these men out knowing that they would be killed.

The IRA leadership sent their most effective unit out to be killed?

You do talk some utter sh1te don't you.

Its pretty well accepted that Lynagh and probably a good squad of East Tyrone was on the verge of joining O'Bradaigh and what became the Contos. Losing your most effective unit to a rival organisation gives the motive.
And there's no evidence apart from wild speculation that they and others were sold out by the leadership.  All other evidence points to a combination of information gathering events leading to the likliehood that this barracks was the next target and it was attacked using similar methods and numbers that had been used in earlier attacks. There were touts everywhere who were republican sympathisers on the surface  but underneath sold out to avoid petty crime prosecutions.