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Re: Ulster Club JFC/IFC 2019
« Reply #60 on: October 21, 2019, 07:44:13 PM »
It's not that odd at all.  And they would get relegated to Junior by being Relegated from Intermediate Championship.
Killenkere reached Intermediate final in 2016 but struggled in 2017 Championship and relegated to Junior

Look at the Inter County scene. There is 4 divisions In league, and  in championip a Division 4 team could play a Division 1 team in a Provincial championship game

Yet people cry about disregarding the weaker counties

But that's why now Rodney, there's a clamour for a tiered system...or at least 2 tiers.

Of course... They complain that a tierd system is disregarding counties.  A hammering in a Provincial and qualifier game isn't any benefit.
Leitrim and Wicklow proposed the idea. Some of the others objected. Thery could have a chance of playing the final at Croke Park. That wasn't going to happen through the qualifiers

As regards the club scene. Trillick in Tyrone I read were beaten in a Intermeduate final a few years ago but wee promoted in Division 2 and played Senior football the following year. That's just devaluing the Intermediate Championship

Trillick won the Senior Championship the next year. They only went up through the league play-offs too having come second in the league. So it definitely didn't devalue the Intermediate Championship. If anything it proves the point that teams in the top division should be playing in the Senior Championship.

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« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2019, 10:59:07 PM »
Teams such as Kilinkere can just effectively throw a championship to get downgraded to maximise chances of success in Junior. Not saying it can't happen in counties such as Down but due to league placings and championship being connected it is counterproductive to do so. Div 4 in Down is not really the place for any team with serious ambition for any sort of success.

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« Reply #62 on: October 22, 2019, 03:49:21 AM »
Teams in division 2 in down can purposely lose a few meaningless end of season league games to be eligible to play intermediate championship the following year. I've also heard of 1 team in tyrone who discussed purposely losing a relegation playoff to intermediate in order to have a go for a ulster title.

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« Reply #63 on: October 22, 2019, 09:29:54 AM »
Are the Rock not taking the piss going up and down every couple of years? they seem hell bent on winning this holy grail of a Junior All-Ireland.
Probably should bring in some sort of timeframe based rule to stop this carry on for the provincial championships.

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« Reply #64 on: October 22, 2019, 09:41:14 AM »
Are the Rock not taking the piss going up and down every couple of years? they seem hell bent on winning this holy grail of a Junior All-Ireland.
Probably should bring in some sort of timeframe based rule to stop this carry on for the provincial championships.
Don't know if they are intentionally going up and down, I think the last time they went up it was just after the All Ireland campaign and its hard to keep at a top level for two years. In the hurling there is a five year rule, IE win an ulster intermediate you have to play senior the next 5 years   

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« Reply #65 on: October 22, 2019, 10:31:12 AM »
Are the Rock not taking the piss going up and down every couple of years? they seem hell bent on winning this holy grail of a Junior All-Ireland.
Probably should bring in some sort of timeframe based rule to stop this carry on for the provincial championships.
Don't know if they are intentionally going up and down, I think the last time they went up it was just after the All Ireland campaign and its hard to keep at a top level for two years. In the hurling there is a five year rule, IE win an ulster intermediate you have to play senior the next 5 years

Is that rule in hurling not changed now to two years - the 5 year rule was far too long for clubs.

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« Reply #66 on: October 22, 2019, 10:37:20 AM »
Are the Rock not taking the piss going up and down every couple of years? they seem hell bent on winning this holy grail of a Junior All-Ireland.
Probably should bring in some sort of timeframe based rule to stop this carry on for the provincial championships.
Don't know if they are intentionally going up and down, I think the last time they went up it was just after the All Ireland campaign and its hard to keep at a top level for two years. In the hurling there is a five year rule, IE win an ulster intermediate you have to play senior the next 5 years

Think it might be three years, two years would be better though.

Is that rule in hurling not changed now to two years - the 5 year rule was far too long for clubs.
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Re: Ulster Club JFC/IFC 2019
« Reply #67 on: October 22, 2019, 10:37:46 AM »
Are the Rock not taking the piss going up and down every couple of years? they seem hell bent on winning this holy grail of a Junior All-Ireland.
Probably should bring in some sort of timeframe based rule to stop this carry on for the provincial championships.

I know Iíve called this BS out before. Come on Clarshack you donít really believe that do you? They are not intentionally going down just to win a junior all ireland championship. Theyíve been beat in a few relegation play offs over the years. How come if they were looking relegated why donít they just lose every game? They have lost various players over the years and have a relatively small pick as it is.

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« Reply #68 on: October 22, 2019, 10:42:15 AM »
Hurling clubs who win Ulster at Junior and Intermediate level are not allowed to enter the provincial championship at that same level for either 3 or 5 years, someone can confirm that?
It is what it is. Presumably.

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« Reply #69 on: October 22, 2019, 10:44:02 AM »
Are the Rock not taking the piss going up and down every couple of years? they seem hell bent on winning this holy grail of a Junior All-Ireland.
Probably should bring in some sort of timeframe based rule to stop this carry on for the provincial championships.

I know Iíve called this BS out before. Come on Clarshack you donít really believe that do you? They are not intentionally going down just to win a junior all ireland championship. Theyíve been beat in a few relegation play offs over the years. How come if they were looking relegated why donít they just lose every game? They have lost various players over the years and have a relatively small pick as it is.

Would Cookstown be like this also? - in the intermediate a few years ago, then up and down to the first division, then down to Div. 2 again etc. 

They should have no problem with numbers.

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« Reply #70 on: October 22, 2019, 10:45:38 AM »
Hurling clubs who win Ulster at Junior and Intermediate level are not allowed to enter the provincial championship at that same level for either 3 or 5 years, someone can confirm that?
I thought it was five, possibly three but there definitely is some sort of rule. Middletown won Armagh this year and had to enter the senior championship as they have won it previously and Keady have been put into the intermediate

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Re: Ulster Club JFC/IFC 2019
« Reply #71 on: October 22, 2019, 11:02:07 AM »
Are the Rock not taking the piss going up and down every couple of years? they seem hell bent on winning this holy grail of a Junior All-Ireland.
Probably should bring in some sort of timeframe based rule to stop this carry on for the provincial championships.

I know Iíve called this BS out before. Come on Clarshack you donít really believe that do you? They are not intentionally going down just to win a junior all ireland championship. Theyíve been beat in a few relegation play offs over the years. How come if they were looking relegated why donít they just lose every game? They have lost various players over the years and have a relatively small pick as it is.

Would Cookstown be like this also? - in the intermediate a few years ago, then up and down to the first division, then down to Div. 2 again etc. 

They should have no problem with numbers.

Again i would sat with 100% certainty that Cookstown didnt decide to get relegated one year so they could go back and win the intermediate all ireland the following year. Relegation happens. You can get a bad run of results that means you are chasing your tale and you end up going down.

Those Cookstown intermediate teams were backboned by excellent underage teams who were winning grade one titles at u16 and minor as well as a few very good older players. Their youth teams now have been pretty poor this past 10 years and have been playing at grade 2 and 3 level. Of course they have the numbers but they just donít have the quality of player coming through as demonstrated by being close to relegation this year.  Iím sure thereís another debate there to see why that is. Unless people are suggesting they have decided at the start of the year that they want to give the junior all Ireland a rattle next year. Thatís certainly what posters are saying the Rock do.

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Re: Ulster Club JFC/IFC 2019
« Reply #72 on: November 04, 2019, 12:18:59 PM »
Whatís everyoneís opinions now after the weekends results?

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Re: Ulster Club JFC/IFC 2019
« Reply #73 on: November 04, 2019, 12:52:03 PM »
Kilcoo should make the final now and I'd expect them to face Glenties. They will never get a better chance to win it since they are the most experienced team left in the competition but they have failed to get over the line in the past. Them and Glenties are 2 dogged sides who suit winter football so I would make them joint favourites at this stage.

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Re: Ulster Club JFC/IFC 2019
« Reply #74 on: November 04, 2019, 02:38:51 PM »
Hurling clubs who win Ulster at Junior and Intermediate level are not allowed to enter the provincial championship at that same level for either 3 or 5 years, someone can confirm that?
I thought it was five, possibly three but there definitely is some sort of rule. Middletown won Armagh this year and had to enter the senior championship as they have won it previously and Keady have been put into the intermediate

It was 5 years until this year. Reduced to 3 now