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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2019, 04:06:35 PM »
Do Kilgarvin join South Kerry now that they’re the only non-senior team from the Kenmare district?

It seems 2020 will see Kenmare Shamrocks, Tuosist and Kilgarvan play in the East Kerry championship as Kenmare District will not run competitions.

Templenoe will join the South Kerry championship.

Kenmare District will field in the 2020 Senior Football championship, but if intermediate club champions Templenoe opt for senior club status, it will leave only Tuosist and Kilgarvan for the District team.

Forgot about Tuosist. Had it in my head that there were only 3 teams in the district as opposed to 4. Are Kenmare District around a while, or has there ever been a situation where they’ve 2 of the 4 teams in senior championship before?

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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2019, 04:15:01 PM »
Do Kilgarvin join South Kerry now that they’re the only non-senior team from the Kenmare district?

It seems 2020 will see Kenmare Shamrocks, Tuosist and Kilgarvan play in the East Kerry championship as Kenmare District will not run competitions.

Templenoe will join the South Kerry championship.

Kenmare District will field in the 2020 Senior Football championship, but if intermediate club champions Templenoe opt for senior club status, it will leave only Tuosist and Kilgarvan for the District team.

Forgot about Tuosist. Had it in my head that there were only 3 teams in the district as opposed to 4. Are Kenmare District around a while, or has there ever been a situation where they’ve 2 of the 4 teams in senior championship before?

Kenmare Shamrocks turned senior in 2017 for the first time.  Prior to that the name "Kenmare" in the county championship referred to the district team.

Templenoe have never been senior.

It will be interesting to see how Templenoe get on next year - numbers are falling again and having 4 players on the county panel meant conceding at least one county league division 1 game this year.

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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2019, 12:08:57 PM »
Hard to see past Templenoe and Na Gaeil for Intermediate and Junior All-Irelands tbh.
Templenoe have their 4 county stars and would be playing senior championship in any other county.
Na Gaeil have Jack Barry and Diarmuid O'Connor to call on as well.
Both teams played in Division 1 this year too.
Not really a level playing field is it?

Templenoe has a population of only a couple of hundred and it's an incredible achievement to have 4 players on the Kerry team for such a small 'village'. (* there isn't even a village there really).
They've made their way up to Senior from Novice (a.k.a Junior B) in just 6 years.
I don't know how you think they've an unfair advantage? They would have had to make their way up from Junior B to Senior in any other county as well.
Unfortunately it's almost inevitable they'll make their way back to junior B after the current batch is gone as there's only about 3 players on average in the u12, u14, u16 and minor age groups as not only is the population small but it's also an old population.

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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2019, 12:45:59 PM »
Questions on Kerry.
Is there much atmosphere at these games? Do people fly the colours and wear the jerseys of the divisional sides? Or do they just cheer on their own men? If these clubs are so small, how/why have they not amalgamated properly? Clubs in Armagh, Down, Tyrone, Derry etc have fallen by the wayside in recent years, proper small clubs that can barely sustain 15 players never mind a handful of county players. How does a team like Templenoe “opt” for senior status? Surely as intermediate champions they shouldn’t have any choice?

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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2019, 02:59:34 PM »
Questions on Kerry.
Is there much atmosphere at these games? Do people fly the colours and wear the jerseys of the divisional sides? Or do they just cheer on their own men? If these clubs are so small, how/why have they not amalgamated properly? Clubs in Armagh, Down, Tyrone, Derry etc have fallen by the wayside in recent years, proper small clubs that can barely sustain 15 players never mind a handful of county players. How does a team like Templenoe “opt” for senior status? Surely as intermediate champions they shouldn’t have any choice?

Atmosphere is decent  - a lot of neutrals attend county championship games though and things wouldn't be as hectic as a club team that hadn't been to a final in ages.  For example, when Austin Stacks made a run a few years ago, their kids provided great support with flags and jerseys by all - a divisional side would never have that sort of support. 

Divisional sides have become more of a team recently - the local club needle between players is gone now.  This is mainly due to the fact that most of the players learned their football in schools and form friendships that transcend their respective clubs.  The better players would have played together on regional development squads from U14 onward as well.  St. Brendan's Killarney, PCD in Dingle, Tralee CBS and Colaiste Sceilig in Caherciveen are the big schools of their respective regions and county board coaches concentrate on the schools, coaching the coaches as much as the students.

Not many clubs have actually folded over the years...I can only recall Derrynane combining full time with Sneem over the last two decades or so.  Minor teams, especially in South Kerry, may have three or four clubs together at this stage due to low numbers.  Can't ever remember the Foilmore area being separate from St. Michael's-Foilmore, for example.

I presume Templenoe will take senior status in 2020, but as far as I know, they have not made any announcement thus far.  They are a worry to all...they could be back in division 5 relatively quickly if numbers don't improve.  They will be in division 2 for 2020 anyway and may look decent in senior club games when the county man are available...but their league games might tell a very different story.

Hope that helps your good questions...

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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2019, 07:28:25 PM »
Update 3 Nov...


Senior Football

QF: 10 Nov. St. Joseph’s Miltown Malbay (Clare) v Rathgormack (Waterford) in Miltown Malbay 1:30pm
QF: 10 Nov. Nemo Rangers (Cork) v Newcastle West (Limerick) in Mallow 1:30pm

SF: 17 Nov.  St. Joseph’s Miltown Malbay (Clare) or Rathgormack (Waterford) v JK Brackens or Clonmel Commercials (Tipperary) in Clare or Waterford
SF: 17 Nov.  Nemo Rangers (Cork) or Newcastle West (Limerick) v Dr. Crokes or Austin Stacks (Kerry) in Cork or Limerick

Final: 1 Dec.

Intermediate Football

QF: 9 Nov. Templenoe (Kerry) v St. Saviours (Waterford) in Templenoe 1:30pm
QF: 9 Nov. Galtee Gaels (Limerick) v St Breckans (Clare) in Gaelic Grounds, Limerick 1:30pm

SF: 17 Nov. Éire Óg (Cork) v Templenoe (Kerry) or St. Saviours (Waterford) in Cork or Waterford
SF: 17 Nov. Galtee Gaels (Limerick) or St Breckans (Clare) v Moycarkey-Borris or Clonmel Óg (Tipperary) in Limerick or Clare

Final:  1 Dec.

Junior Football

QF: 16 Nov. Kilshannig or St. James (Cork) v Na Gaeil (Kerry) in Cork
QF: 16 Nov. Croom (Limerick) v Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) in Limerick

SF: 23 Nov.  Michael Cusacks (Clare) v Kilshannig/St. James (Cork) or Na Gaeil (Kerry) in Kerry or Clare
SF: 23 Nov.  Portroe or Mullinahone (Tipperary) v Croom (Limerick) or Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) in Tipperary or Waterford

Final: 8 Dec.

Senior Hurling

QF: 3 Nov. Ballygunner (Waterford) 1-21 Sixmilebridge (Clare) 0-12
SF: 10 Nov. Borris-Ileigh (Tipperary) v Glen Rovers (Cork) in Thurles 1:30pm
SF: 10 Nov. Ballygunner (Waterford) v Patrickswell (Limerick) in Walsh Park, Waterford 1:45pm

Final: 24 Nov.

Intermediate Hurling

QF: 3 Nov. Fr. O’Neill’s (Cork) 2-19 Blackrock (Limerick) 1-20 AET
QF: 3 Nov. Ballysaggart (Waterford) 2-14 Causeway (Kerry) 0-15

SF: 10 Nov. Fr. O’Neill’s (Cork) v Broadford (Clare) in Castletownroche Midleton 1:30pm
SF: 10 Nov. Ballysaggart (Waterford) v Sean Treacys (Tipperary) in Dungarvan 1:30pm

Final: 24 Nov. 

Junior Hurling

QF: 16 Nov. Kilgarvan (Kerry) v Russell Rovers (Cork) in Kerry
QF: 16 Nov. St. Mary’s (Waterford) v Castletown-Ballyagran (Limerick) in Waterford 

SF: 23 Nov.  Clonlara (Clare) v Kilgarvan (Kerry) or Russell Rovers (Cork) in Clare or Cork
SF: 23 Nov.  Carrick Davins or Arravale Rovers (Tipperary) v St. Mary’s (Waterford) or Castletown-Ballyagran (Limerick) in Tipperary or Limerick

Final: 8 Dec.

Edit 6 Nov: Venue change in intermediate hurling in bold.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2019, 01:55:43 AM by Ball Hopper »

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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2019, 07:34:45 PM »
Kerry Senior Football Championship update:

Final set for 10 Nov  East Kerry v Dr. Crokes in Tralee, after Dr. Crokes beat South Kerry in a semi-final replay today by 1-14 to 1-8.

If East Kerry win, Austin Stacks will go forward to Munster as winners of the Senior Club title.

If Dr. Crokes win, Dr. Crokes will go forward to Munster as county champions.

If its a draw, or if the county final is postponed, Dr. Crokes will go forward to Munster as the last club team standing in an unfinished county championship, unless postponements are granted for the Munster semi-final.

Edit:  Kerry County Final result...East Kerry 2-14 Dr. Crokes 1-7, so Austin Stacks represent Kerry in Munster. 
« Last Edit: November 10, 2019, 07:38:54 PM by Ball Hopper »

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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2019, 07:37:09 PM »
10 Nov Update...

Senior Football

QF: 10 Nov. St. Joseph’s Miltown Malbay (Clare) 1-11 Rathgormack (Waterford) 0-11
QF: 10 Nov. Nemo Rangers (Cork) 1-9 Newcastle West (Limerick) 0-9

SF: 17 Nov. St. Joseph’s Miltown Malbay (Clare) v Clonmel Commercials (Tipperary) in Dungarvan Miltown Malbay 1:30pm
SF: 17 Nov.  Nemo Rangers (Cork) v Austin Stacks (Kerry) in Páirc Uí Rinn @ 1:30pm

Final: 1 Dec.

Intermediate Football

QF: 9 Nov. Templenoe (Kerry) 5-12 St. Saviours (Waterford) 2-9
QF: 9 Nov. St Breckans (Clare) 2-13 Galtee Gaels (Limerick) 1-11

SF: 17 Nov. Éire Óg (Cork) v Templenoe (Kerry) in Ovens 1:30pm
SF: 17 Nov. St Breckans (Clare) v Moycarkey-Borris or Clonmel Óg (Tipperary) in Lisdoonvarna, Co. Clare 1:30pm

Final:  1 Dec.

Junior Football

QF: 16 Nov. Kilshannig (Cork) v Na Gaeil (Kerry) in Mallow 1:30pm
QF: 16 Nov. Croom (Limerick) v Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) in Bruff 1:30pm

SF: 23 Nov.  Michael Cusacks (Clare) v Kilshannig (Cork) or Na Gaeil (Kerry) in Kerry or Clare
SF: 23 Nov.  Mullinahone (Tipperary) v Croom (Limerick) or Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) in Tipperary or Waterford

Final: 8 Dec.

Senior Hurling

QF: 3 Nov. Ballygunner (Waterford) 1-21 Sixmilebridge (Clare) 0-12

SF: 10 Nov. Borris-Ileigh (Tipperary) 1-7 Glen Rovers (Cork) 3-8
SF: 10 Nov. Ballygunner (Waterford) 0-17 Patrickswell (Limerick) 0-9

Final: 24 Nov. Ballygunner (Waterford) v Borris-Ileigh (Tipperary)

Intermediate Hurling

QF: 3 Nov. Fr. O’Neill’s (Cork) 2-19 Blackrock (Limerick) 1-20 AET
QF: 3 Nov. Ballysaggart (Waterford) 2-14 Causeway (Kerry) 0-15

SF: 10 Nov. Fr. O’Neill’s (Cork) 3-22 Broadford (Clare) 0-14
SF: 10 Nov. Ballysaggart (Waterford) 0-15 Sean Treacys (Tipperary) 1-11

Final: 24 Nov.  Fr. O’Neill’s (Cork) v Ballysaggart (Waterford)

Junior Hurling

QF: 16 Nov. Kilgarvan (Kerry) v Russell Rovers (Cork) in Dr. Crokes (Lewis Road) Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney 1:30pm
QF: 16 Nov. St. Mary’s (Waterford) v Castletown-Ballyagran (Limerick) in Dungarvan 1:30pm

SF: 23 Nov. Kilgarvan (Kerry) or Russell Rovers (Cork) w/o (Clare) scr.
SF: 23 Nov.  Carrick Davins (Tipperary) v St. Mary’s (Waterford) or Castletown-Ballyagran (Limerick) in Tipperary or Limerick

Final: 8 Dec.

« Last Edit: November 12, 2019, 10:50:45 PM by Ball Hopper »

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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2019, 11:21:27 AM »
What type of preparation will Austin Stacks have done for next Sundays game. Will certainly be fresher than Nemo anyway
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2019, 12:41:23 PM »
What type of preparation will Austin Stacks have done for next Sundays game. Will certainly be fresher than Nemo anyway

Austin Stacks played their last league game on Saturday (9 Nov), so they might be fresh enough.

Mind you, it was in Caherciveen against already relegated St. Mary's...Stacks ran out winners by 4-15 to 1-6, so it mightn't have helped much.

Stacks' last game in the county championship was on 29 September, a 3-13 to 3-7 loss to eventual champions East Kerry.


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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2019, 07:22:03 PM »
I assume this is wrong?

SF: 17 Nov. St. Joseph’s Miltown Malbay (Clare) v Clonmel Commercials (Tipperary)) in Dungarvan 1:30pm. Surely over in Clare somewhere?

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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2019, 07:34:58 PM »
I assume this is wrong?

SF: 17 Nov. St. Joseph’s Miltown Malbay (Clare) v Clonmel Commercials (Tipperary)) in Dungarvan 1:30pm. Surely over in Clare somewhere?

Yes....it's in miltown Malay at 1:30

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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2019, 08:10:14 PM »
I assume this is wrong?

SF: 17 Nov. St. Joseph’s Miltown Malbay (Clare) v Clonmel Commercials (Tipperary)) in Dungarvan 1:30pm. Surely over in Clare somewhere?
AZ, you might know this. Is there differing rules from Munster and Leinster Councils regarding home advantage for club games? Surely Ferbane for instance could host a game, given that it, from what I’ve seen in pictures and heard from others held a massive ladies game the other day. Obviously the LGFA are a different organisation, but still?

I note that Bracknagh played their game in Gracefield, while Shannonbridge played their two Leinster games to date in the Faithful Fields. Yerselves (Ferbane) obviously played in OCP, but that’s a given, regarding senior champions init? Or init not?🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2019, 08:27:04 PM »
I assume this is wrong?

SF: 17 Nov. St. Joseph’s Miltown Malbay (Clare) v Clonmel Commercials (Tipperary)) in Dungarvan 1:30pm. Surely over in Clare somewhere?

Well spotted AZ...hope too many didn't have travel plans made.  Game is in Miltown Malbay.

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Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2019, 10:53:12 PM »
A few edits to my 10 Nov update...intermediate football game in Lisdoonvarna jumps out...has anyone been there for...eh...the craic?