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Climate change
« on: September 20, 2019, 08:18:05 PM »
Kudos to all the people protesting today. Governments need to get off their holes and do something.

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Re: Climate change
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2019, 08:37:09 PM »
Yeah, like build more runways at Heathrow.

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Re: Climate change
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2019, 08:42:01 PM »
Its not just the governments.


- Airbus and Boeing don't build aircraft because governments told them to. They do it because Joe Public wants to fly from A to B.
- Car manufacturers are the same. Public demand shapes industry response.
- If the govts went full renewable electricity, we'd all be bitching (and out of work) 'cos of the price of electric.
- The Western world wastes almost as much food as it eats.


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Re: Climate change
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2019, 08:54:36 PM »
Complicated solution....

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49567197

Nuclear Fission is probably the best method right now with Fusion the longer term goal

Eamonnca1

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Re: Climate change
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2019, 04:26:52 AM »
Its not just the governments.


- Airbus and Boeing don't build aircraft because governments told them to. They do it because Joe Public wants to fly from A to B.
- Car manufacturers are the same. Public demand shapes industry response.
- If the govts went full renewable electricity, we'd all be bitching (and out of work) 'cos of the price of electric.
- The Western world wastes almost as much food as it eats.

Governments can have a huge impact on what industry builds. It took government to take the lead out of petrol and CFCs out of aerosol propellants. They're well able to regulate the fuel that burns in jet engines.

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Re: Climate change
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2019, 06:31:04 AM »
Its not just the governments.


- Airbus and Boeing don't build aircraft because governments told them to. They do it because Joe Public wants to fly from A to B.
- Car manufacturers are the same. Public demand shapes industry response.
- If the govts went full renewable electricity, we'd all be bitching (and out of work) 'cos of the price of electric.
- The Western world wastes almost as much food as it eats.

Governments can have a huge impact on what industry builds. It took government to take the lead out of petrol and CFCs out of aerosol propellants. They're well able to regulate the fuel that burns in jet engines.

Are you proposing they take the carbon out of aviation fuel?

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Re: Climate change
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2019, 12:08:46 PM »
Complicated solution....

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49567197

Nuclear Fission is probably the best method right now with Fusion the longer term goal

Agreed.

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Re: Climate change
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2019, 01:52:21 PM »
Its not just the governments.


- Airbus and Boeing don't build aircraft because governments told them to. They do it because Joe Public wants to fly from A to B.
- Car manufacturers are the same. Public demand shapes industry response.
- If the govts went full renewable electricity, we'd all be bitching (and out of work) 'cos of the price of electric.
- The Western world wastes almost as much food as it eats.

Yip wonder how many eco warriers have 3 or 4 flights a year, I haven't been on a plane since 2012 and hopefully never get on another one.

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Re: Climate change
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2019, 02:35:00 PM »
Its not just the governments.


- Airbus and Boeing don't build aircraft because governments told them to. They do it because Joe Public wants to fly from A to B.
- Car manufacturers are the same. Public demand shapes industry response.
- If the govts went full renewable electricity, we'd all be bitching (and out of work) 'cos of the price of electric.
- The Western world wastes almost as much food as it eats.

Yip wonder how many eco warriers have 3 or 4 flights a year, I haven't been on a plane since 2012 and hopefully never get on another one.

Is this because you just havenít had the chance to, or youíre abstaining from flying?

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Re: Climate change
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2019, 02:36:19 PM »

Fighting against ignorance on the internet since 1999. It's just taking longer than I hoped.

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Re: Climate change
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2019, 04:53:58 PM »
Pointing out that solutions are at the minute very difficult to come by is an important part of any solution.
Proposing simple solutions to complex problems is the very definition of populism.
Defining this discussion as those who agree with us and those who disagree is a guarantee to get nowhere.

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Re: Climate change
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2019, 05:35:57 PM »
Complicated solution....

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49567197

Nuclear Fission is probably the best method right now with Fusion the longer term goal

course it is.

Yet the hippies in Greenpeace etc won't go for it. They want to try and force everyone back to being hunter gatherers ffs.
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Re: Climate change
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2019, 06:19:53 PM »
Complicated solution....

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49567197

Nuclear Fission is probably the best method right now with Fusion the longer term goal

course it is.

Yet the hippies in Greenpeace etc won't go for it. They want to try and force everyone back to being hunter gatherers ffs.

I can see why people would be opposed to fission considering the risk of meltdown and the problem with radioactive waste. However all this needs to be squared with the risk level which is reducing all the time.. I think I read that fission is safer than solar in terms of deaths but of course it's hard to quantify. But the debate around fission needs to be much more objective and informed because at the minute its not
Fusion tho would be inherently safe but rather perplexingly I discovered that Greenpeace is opposed to it.

Of course nuclear is not available to all countries and those which are evolving themselves into industrialised economies will almost always gravitate towards coal due to its stand alone ability.

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Re: Climate change
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2019, 10:57:45 PM »
Greenpeace is opposed to fusion?! WTF?

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Re: Climate change
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2019, 03:59:48 PM »

Governments can have a huge impact on what industry builds. It took government to take the lead out of petrol and CFCs out of aerosol propellants. They're well able to regulate the fuel that burns in jet engines.

Are you proposing they take the carbon out of aviation fuel?

https://theicct.org/publications/long-term-aviation-fuel-decarbonization-progress-roadblocks-and-policy-opportunities