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Re: Rural Ireland's football future
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2019, 01:11:54 AM »
Rural Ireland is fucked, and thatís being optimistic.
I can think of 6/7 GAA clubs thatíll be gone in 7-8 years time in Offaly.

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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2019, 08:54:59 AM »
Mayo got a centre of excellence in the middle of a bog
Oh, sorry Connacht got the centre
And soon they'll have a giant bouncy castle

Mayo got huge funding for McHale park
AND a bailout when they blew the budget

A lot of money spent on those projects

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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2019, 09:31:05 AM »
Mayo got a centre of excellence in the middle of a bog
Oh, sorry Connacht got the centre
And soon they'll have a giant bouncy castle

Mayo got huge funding for McHale park
AND a bailout when they blew the budget

A lot of money spent on those projects

Still paying back the bailout. Clubs are I mean. I do believe there's another centre of excellence in the pipeline although I'm not sure when.

Back to Loose Cannon's point, amalgamations are happening left, right and centre in Mayo at underage. We even had a situation 2 years ago having Ballyhaunis and Aghsmore joining up at minor. Terrible indictment on Ballyhaunis imo.
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Re: Rural Ireland's football future
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2019, 11:05:19 AM »
Mayo got a centre of excellence in the middle of a bog
Oh, sorry Connacht got the centre
And soon they'll have a giant bouncy castle

Mayo got huge funding for McHale park
AND a bailout when they blew the budget

A lot of money spent on those projects

Still paying back the bailout. Clubs are I mean. I do believe there's another centre of excellence in the pipeline although I'm not sure when.

Back to Loose Cannon's point, amalgamations are happening left, right and centre in Mayo at underage. We even had a situation 2 years ago having Ballyhaunis and Aghsmore joining up at minor. Terrible indictment on Ballyhaunis imo.

Population loss or just young lads no longer want to play?

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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2019, 11:21:40 AM »
Roscommon Hospital is still open.
It was the Casualty that got shut.
FG have no TD in Roscommon.

Denis Naughton was a FG TD. When the A&E closed he didn't resign from the party, he voted against it from within and lost the party whip but of course he knew the vote would be carried anyway and he would create the illusion of being a rebel. He resigned (or more accurately was told to resign) years later when he messed up broadband to rural Ireland by having dinner with the main bidders. So we can see he is clearly a man of great principle I have no doubt the great people of Roscommon (with their shite broadband and phone coverage) will no doubt vote him back in again at the next opportunity.

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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2019, 11:25:48 AM »
Roscommon Hospital is still open.
It was the Casualty that got shut.
FG have no TD in Roscommon.

Denis Naughton was a FG TD. When the A&E closed he didn't resign from the party, he voted against it from within and lost the party whip but of course he knew the vote would be carried anyway and he would create the illusion of being a rebel. He resigned (or more accurately was told to resign) years later when he messed up broadband to rural Ireland by having dinner with the main bidders. So we can see he is clearly a man of great principle I have no doubt the great people of Roscommon (with their shite broadband and phone coverage) will no doubt vote him back in again at the next opportunity.

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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2019, 01:08:29 PM »
Indeed.
However I take it Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan, Louth are now economic powerhouses since they were the first places to  elect SF TDs.

Border counties have always been most neglected by the FF and FF crowd. That's why SF has success there.

As for mayo. What got done in north mayo for example. There's been f**king nothing done even when they had a taoiseach. Flynn the corrupt hoor did more for mayo (He brought us the road)

Btw - the fact ring can influence granting of money is a disgrace in itself

Roscommon even worse eejits when it comes to voting. Like a bet dog coming back for more.
Funding would not be granted unless the project being funded qualified. Lads sitting on their asses doing nothing and bitching about getting nothing is typical of the new Ireland of entitlement.
Michael Ring helped us with our project once it was confirmed the project had potential and people willing to give their time and skills to see it home. Your response itchy is typical of the criticise everything and finger pointing that goes on, open your eyes, join your local enterprise team and do something for your area.

You know nothing about me you muppet. But I can tell you this, I have fund rasied and put a huge amount of infrastucture into my club. I applied for the grants and I did the running with the people in the club. I didnt need any gombeen politician telling me he would look after me. When the infrastructure was in place they all came running to claim that they had something to do with it, one of them want to cut the ribbon, a FG bollix. They were all told to f**k off. Politicians should govern, not run around shaking hands at funerals of people they barely know and hold "clinics" to fill potholes, move esb poles and create the illusion they are helping you with a project. And clowns like you that entertain this crap and vote for these bluffers because you believe their rubbish are the root cause of the issue.

f**king Rossies even voting for fellas that shut down their hospital. Deserve everything ye get.
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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2019, 01:29:10 PM »
Anyway, to get back on topic...
Msgr. Horan, the buck that built Knock Airport was a great buddy of Charlie Haughey. Naturally enough, money was no object when FF were in power but that problem back in the 80s was that there was frequent changes of government and that meant Knock airport development got money when FF were inn power and Garret Fitzgerald and his Blue Shirts cut back on what Knock had been promised when Horan started developing the place. Jim Mitchel, one of Garret's ministers, once described the airport as a foggy,, boggy place and not worth spending a fraction of the £10m Horan said was promised. Anyway, the airport got built and opened and FR. Horan got Charlie to cut the ribbon even though he was in opposition at the time. There was open war between Knock airport and FG since and even when Enda was the boss, Knock supporters complained at how miserable with development grants he was.
There's a bit more to the story than that but the fact remains that Knock Airport was always regarded as a FF project. The main obstacle to the development of Knock airport was and is the fear that it could draw business away from Shannon. FF was just as cynical as FG in this regard. Back then Mayo was a 5 seater and most times it was 3 FF and 2 FG but there never was much in it and a few hundred votes one way or the other could mean one seat changing hands. However, down in Clare the story was a bit more complicated and 2 or more seats could be regarded as swings. So both parties has to consider what would happen if they gave Knock a bit of a leg up against Shannon and naturally enough Shannon always won.
Horan had gone ahead and started building on the assumption that Knock would get a licence for scheduled transatlantic flights bit that never came to pass.
Cathal Duffy, who stepped in when the monsignor got a heart attack, said he has a contact in Chicago who would guarantee him 55 charter flights a year if he got a licence but he never did and AFAIK, Knock still can't handle transatlantic flights even though it has the longest runway in the country.
You have covered it there lar, thats exactly as it happened with the airport.

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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2019, 03:08:59 PM »
Roscommon Hospital is still open.
It was the Casualty that got shut.
FG have no TD in Roscommon.

Denis Naughton was a FG TD. When the A&E closed he didn't resign from the party, he voted against it from within and lost the party whip but of course he knew the vote would be carried anyway and he would create the illusion of being a rebel. He resigned (or more accurately was told to resign) years later when he messed up broadband to rural Ireland by having dinner with the main bidders. So we can see he is clearly a man of great principle I have no doubt the great people of Roscommon (with their shite broadband and phone coverage) will no doubt vote him back in again at the next opportunity.

I get 25mpbs in Ros. Not great, but have seen worse. Might seem like sacriledge to Roscommon people, but knocking that place needed. As it turns out, the hospital has probably gotten more investment than it ever did. Would say Roscommon has always been one of the more unpredictable counties when it comes to elections. Afterall, we sent Ming and his cannabis/turf cutting campaign to the Dail.

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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2019, 04:54:20 PM »
Mayo got a centre of excellence in the middle of a bog
Oh, sorry Connacht got the centre
And soon they'll have a giant bouncy castle

Mayo got huge funding for McHale park
AND a bailout when they blew the budget

A lot of money spent on those projects

Still paying back the bailout. Clubs are I mean. I do believe there's another centre of excellence in the pipeline although I'm not sure when.

Back to Loose Cannon's point, amalgamations are happening left, right and centre in Mayo at underage. We even had a situation 2 years ago having Ballyhaunis and Aghsmore joining up at minor. Terrible indictment on Ballyhaunis imo.

Population loss or just young lads no longer want to play?
IMO, a  bit of both to be honest but the former is the more serious one.
After all, every part of the country has problems with kids not bothering to play any sort of field game but if you donít have youngsters, you get them to play anything.
I went to a small rural school in near Swinford back in the 60s. The teachers in the parish organised an 11 a side  tournament back then. Today, there is only the town school open.
Thatís something Dubs canít understand and think life can go on as it has always with Dublin growing bigger and their country cousins just moaning and whining, as always.

This year I think half the county panel are based in Dublin. 
It seems reasonable that a good number of these lads will settle down to work and live in the city so in the next few years, they will be lost to the county, probably forever. Odds are that their kids will play with a local club and grew up as Dub supporters.
I can't blame Dub supporters for wanting to keep things the same as always and getting the lionís share of whatever money is available, the gap between Dublin and the rest will become unsustainable.
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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2019, 07:10:54 PM »
Mayo got a centre of excellence in the middle of a bog
Oh, sorry Connacht got the centre
And soon they'll have a giant bouncy castle

Mayo got huge funding for McHale park
AND a bailout when they blew the budget

A lot of money spent on those projects

Still paying back the bailout. Clubs are I mean. I do believe there's another centre of excellence in the pipeline although I'm not sure when.

Back to Loose Cannon's point, amalgamations are happening left, right and centre in Mayo at underage. We even had a situation 2 years ago having Ballyhaunis and Aghsmore joining up at minor. Terrible indictment on Ballyhaunis imo.

Population loss or just young lads no longer want to play?
IMO, a  bit of both to be honest but the former is the more serious one.
After all, every part of the country has problems with kids not bothering to play any sort of field game but if you donít have youngsters, you get them to play anything.
I went to a small rural school in near Swinford back in the 60s. The teachers in the parish organised an 11 a side  tournament back then. Today, there is only the town school open.
Thatís something Dubs canít understand and think life can go on as it has always with Dublin growing bigger and their country cousins just moaning and whining, as always.

This year I think half the county panel are based in Dublin. 
It seems reasonable that a good number of these lads will settle down to work and live in the city so in the next few years, they will be lost to the county, probably forever. Odds are that their kids will play with a local club and grew up as Dub supporters.

I can't blame Dub supporters for wanting to keep things the same as always and getting the lionís share of whatever money is available, the gap between Dublin and the rest will become unsustainable.

This is a huge issue, and something that also crossed my mind when starting the blog. You cannot measure the impact of this. As I recall one of the Dublin subs this year, his father played club football for Swinford until he headed east back in the 80's. I am sure there are hundreds if not thousands of such examples.

Back to the Airport, if the entire politics BS, play into its under developement, then shame on the elected officials involved. A no brainer would be to create an exclusive tax free zone around the airport or even extend it to twenty or twenty five mile radius around the airport as a tax free zone. As well as east and north Mayo, it would encompass parts of south Sligo, part of Roscommon, north Galway and parts of Leitrim. Areas prone to folks migrating to Dublin etc. If there were 25k or 50k jobs created over a decade or two, then the positive knock-on effect of this would be very significant.

I happened to be at a presentation back in November, discussing rural Ireland, two presenters, both decent, second one a tad boring TBH, my biggest take away was, north of Galway city to south of Sligo town, the electric grids do not have the capability of carrying enough power(wattage whatever it is) to service a major plant, ( The example given, was that if a guy in England or USA or where ever wanted to set up a major plant in Claremorris (was the example used), he or she would not be able to.

I took the train from Ballymote to Dublin a few weeks ago, there is one train track, comical. It means that only one train can pass at a time, and the schedule is dictated by where there are multiple lines. How difficult or expensive would it be to put another track alongside it. The west, north west, and tourism or the wild Atlantic way my backside.

Maybe the answer is to put aside the parochial politics, of FG, FF and SF, and form a west of Ireland party. Pie in the sky, but if the combined elected politicians controlled a majority, you may see a lot more resources heading out of Dublin.


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« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2019, 08:47:03 PM »
Mayo got a centre of excellence in the middle of a bog
Oh, sorry Connacht got the centre
And soon they'll have a giant bouncy castle

Mayo got huge funding for McHale park
AND a bailout when they blew the budget

A lot of money spent on those projects

Still paying back the bailout. Clubs are I mean. I do believe there's another centre of excellence in the pipeline although I'm not sure when.

Back to Loose Cannon's point, amalgamations are happening left, right and centre in Mayo at underage. We even had a situation 2 years ago having Ballyhaunis and Aghsmore joining up at minor. Terrible indictment on Ballyhaunis imo.

Population loss or just young lads no longer want to play?
IMO, a  bit of both to be honest but the former is the more serious one.
After all, every part of the country has problems with kids not bothering to play any sort of field game but if you donít have youngsters, you get them to play anything.
I went to a small rural school in near Swinford back in the 60s. The teachers in the parish organised an 11 a side  tournament back then. Today, there is only the town school open.
Thatís something Dubs canít understand and think life can go on as it has always with Dublin growing bigger and their country cousins just moaning and whining, as always.

This year I think half the county panel are based in Dublin. 
It seems reasonable that a good number of these lads will settle down to work and live in the city so in the next few years, they will be lost to the county, probably forever. Odds are that their kids will play with a local club and grew up as Dub supporters.

I can't blame Dub supporters for wanting to keep things the same as always and getting the lionís share of whatever money is available, the gap between Dublin and the rest will become unsustainable.

This is a huge issue, and something that also crossed my mind when starting the blog. You cannot measure the impact of this. As I recall one of the Dublin subs this year, his father played club football for Swinford until he headed east back in the 80's. I am sure there are hundreds if not thousands of such examples.

Back to the Airport, if the entire politics BS, play into its under developement, then shame on the elected officials involved. A no brainer would be to create an exclusive tax free zone around the airport or even extend it to twenty or twenty five mile radius around the airport as a tax free zone. As well as east and north Mayo, it would encompass parts of south Sligo, part of Roscommon, north Galway and parts of Leitrim. Areas prone to folks migrating to Dublin etc. If there were 25k or 50k jobs created over a decade or two, then the positive knock-on effect of this would be very significant.

I happened to be at a presentation back in November, discussing rural Ireland, two presenters, both decent, second one a tad boring TBH, my biggest take away was, north of Galway city to south of Sligo town, the electric grids do not have the capability of carrying enough power(wattage whatever it is) to service a major plant, ( The example given, was that if a guy in England or USA or where ever wanted to set up a major plant in Claremorris (was the example used), he or she would not be able to.

I took the train from Ballymote to Dublin a few weeks ago, there is one train track, comical. It means that only one train can pass at a time, and the schedule is dictated by where there are multiple lines. How difficult or expensive would it be to put another track alongside it. The west, north west, and tourism or the wild Atlantic way my backside.

Maybe the answer is to put aside the parochial politics, of FG, FF and SF, and form a west of Ireland party. Pie in the sky, but if the combined elected politicians controlled a majority, you may see a lot more resources heading out of Dublin.
Did the person making that presentation forget that the Coca Cola factory in Ballina is the worlds largest producer of Coca Cola drink concentrate ?

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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2019, 08:50:27 PM »
Mayo got a centre of excellence in the middle of a bog
Oh, sorry Connacht got the centre
And soon they'll have a giant bouncy castle

Mayo got huge funding for McHale park
AND a bailout when they blew the budget

A lot of money spent on those projects

Still paying back the bailout. Clubs are I mean. I do believe there's another centre of excellence in the pipeline although I'm not sure when.

Back to Loose Cannon's point, amalgamations are happening left, right and centre in Mayo at underage. We even had a situation 2 years ago having Ballyhaunis and Aghsmore joining up at minor. Terrible indictment on Ballyhaunis imo.

Population loss or just young lads no longer want to play?
IMO, a  bit of both to be honest but the former is the more serious one.
After all, every part of the country has problems with kids not bothering to play any sort of field game but if you donít have youngsters, you get them to play anything.
I went to a small rural school in near Swinford back in the 60s. The teachers in the parish organised an 11 a side  tournament back then. Today, there is only the town school open.
Thatís something Dubs canít understand and think life can go on as it has always with Dublin growing bigger and their country cousins just moaning and whining, as always.

This year I think half the county panel are based in Dublin. 
It seems reasonable that a good number of these lads will settle down to work and live in the city so in the next few years, they will be lost to the county, probably forever. Odds are that their kids will play with a local club and grew up as Dub supporters.

I can't blame Dub supporters for wanting to keep things the same as always and getting the lionís share of whatever money is available, the gap between Dublin and the rest will become unsustainable.

This is a huge issue, and something that also crossed my mind when starting the blog. You cannot measure the impact of this. As I recall one of the Dublin subs this year, his father played club football for Swinford until he headed east back in the 80's. I am sure there are hundreds if not thousands of such examples.

Back to the Airport, if the entire politics BS, play into its under developement, then shame on the elected officials involved. A no brainer would be to create an exclusive tax free zone around the airport or even extend it to twenty or twenty five mile radius around the airport as a tax free zone. As well as east and north Mayo, it would encompass parts of south Sligo, part of Roscommon, north Galway and parts of Leitrim. Areas prone to folks migrating to Dublin etc. If there were 25k or 50k jobs created over a decade or two, then the positive knock-on effect of this would be very significant.

I happened to be at a presentation back in November, discussing rural Ireland, two presenters, both decent, second one a tad boring TBH, my biggest take away was, north of Galway city to south of Sligo town, the electric grids do not have the capability of carrying enough power(wattage whatever it is) to service a major plant, ( The example given, was that if a guy in England or USA or where ever wanted to set up a major plant in Claremorris (was the example used), he or she would not be able to.

I took the train from Ballymote to Dublin a few weeks ago, there is one train track, comical. It means that only one train can pass at a time, and the schedule is dictated by where there are multiple lines. How difficult or expensive would it be to put another track alongside it. The west, north west, and tourism or the wild Atlantic way my backside.

Maybe the answer is to put aside the parochial politics, of FG, FF and SF, and form a west of Ireland party. Pie in the sky, but if the combined elected politicians controlled a majority, you may see a lot more resources heading out of Dublin.

There's a graphic out there of rail and motorways in Ireland. The border counties and north west are the most neglected regions in Ireland.

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« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2019, 09:27:44 PM »
Back then Mayo was a 5 seater and most times it was 3 FF and 2 FG but there never was much in it and a few hundred votes one way or the other could mean one seat changing hands.

I think your memory could be playing tricks with you there Lar.

Mayo was divided into two three-seat constituencies, Mayo West and Mayo East, from 1969 until 1997. Both Mayo East and Mayo West returned two FF, one FG, regularly as clockwork from the mid-seventies on. Any time someone lost a seat, he lost to a party colleague. Sean Flanagan lost to PJ Morley in 1977, Paddy O'Toole lost to Jim Higgins in 1987.

There was a feeling that it was Knock airport that cost O'Toole his seat in 1987, as he was a Minister in that 1982-87 government, but to say that Mayo seats were marginal in the 1980s isn't an accurate statement.
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