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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #570 on: September 02, 2019, 01:30:09 PM »
Looking forward to the replay now, should be another classic. The difference between the Mayo-Dublin and Kerry-Dublin games is that you never really believed Mayo had the forwards to get over the line, while Kerry most certainly do.

Clifford mixed the good with the bad. Something that isn't really been talked about is how well he did to get Cooper sent off. Cooper's second yellow came from Clifford very cleverly getting Cooper on the wrong side. That said, he missed a few simple enough chances that he'll need to pop over the next day.


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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #571 on: September 02, 2019, 01:32:43 PM »
Ah lads the video of the Kerry and Dubs fans having a sing off and then all joining in singing "f**k Tyrone" is possibly the funniest/best thing I've seen in ages. Brilliant!!

can someone post this up please?

https://twitter.com/dermonolan91/status/1168270765357187072?s=19
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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #572 on: September 02, 2019, 01:34:22 PM »
Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

One think I would criticise Gough about, there were a few times in the latter stages of the game when players went down injured and he made keepers take a kickout and on one occasion he waved off the medical staff off the pitch. Dangerous craic that, might have been gamesmanship but could have been serious injuries too.

He does it almost every game and if its not him its the medical personnel. Just on your second point, I'm open to correction on this, the play is only supposed to be stopped for a head injury. It should have been stopped in the build up to the Kerry goal. An accidental collision between the Kerry goalkeeper coming out with a high ball and an oncoming Dublin player. I think it was his elbow clipped him on the way out and it was obvious he was hurt by it.

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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #573 on: September 02, 2019, 01:41:52 PM »
Not sure where all the Kerry hype is coming from.

Dublin were very comfortable with 15 men, holding Kerry at arms length.

Kerry struggled to even get ahead of 14 men for the best part of the second half and were still dependent on Rock missing a (albeit difficult ) free not to lose.

Add in that several Dublin players were under par, Gavin was unusually poor with his decision making and most of the Kerry team played out of their skins.....

Bit of a one sided view of the game. Kerry should have been ahead with 15 on 15 and quite often in games 14 v 15 doesn't make as big a difference as is made out.

Kerry missed a serious amount of chances in the first 20 minutes when on top. I'm sure part of the reason some of the Dublin players were poor was because they were well marked/their opponents played well. A lot of new Kerry players who could well learn from yesterdays experience. I'm also not convinced Dublin's bench is as good as it once was. If I was putting money on the replay it would be Dublin to win by 5 or 6 but I'd have said the same yesterday and expect another battle in two weeks times.

Being down to 14 men isn't nearly as big a deal as being down to 10 men in soccer. The team who lose the man quite often become more galvanised and with 14 there isn't that big a difference.



While that may be true in general, it had a direct bearing on the Kerry goal.  Small and the Kerry Goalkeeper collided, and Small stayed down, leaving Kerry breaking against, effectively, 13 men. 

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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #574 on: September 02, 2019, 01:44:23 PM »
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
Most decent club players would have fancied that one. For one of the most talented players to ever play the game you’d expect him to score that in his sleep. Thank god he missed it though.

Really? I don’t even consider him one of the greatest Dubs ever to play the game.
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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #575 on: September 02, 2019, 01:48:54 PM »
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
Most decent club players would have fancied that one. For one of the most talented players to ever play the game you’d expect him to score that in his sleep. Thank god he missed it though.

Really? I don’t even consider him one of the greatest Dubs ever to play the game.
Off topic but he’s up there, ability wise. Can do things with the ball not many others ever can do. May never get back to his best now though. Either way, you’d expect him to kick that score easily.

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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #576 on: September 02, 2019, 01:52:37 PM »
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
Most decent club players would have fancied that one. For one of the most talented players to ever play the game you’d expect him to score that in his sleep. Thank god he missed it though.

Really? I don’t even consider him one of the greatest Dubs ever to play the game.
Off topic but he’s up there, ability wise. Can do things with the ball not many others ever can do. May never get back to his best now though. Either way, you’d expect him to kick that score easily.

Maybe he can, but we haven’t seen it on the pitch.

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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #577 on: September 02, 2019, 01:53:10 PM »
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
Most decent club players would have fancied that one. For one of the most talented players to ever play the game you’d expect him to score that in his sleep. Thank god he missed it though.

Would disagree with that tbh. Must watch it back. Maybe being harsh but remember thinking at the time that he took the ball static and without momentum which can make a distance kick much harder. And didn't think it was the best option. Maybe if he had been running on to it.
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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #578 on: September 02, 2019, 01:54:28 PM »
Jim Gavin will be a relieved man this morning. Outwitted by Keabe yesterday and he made a lot of uncharacteristic errors on the line both with substitutions and lack of changes. It was obvious from early on that Cooper was struggling with Clifford and as soon as he was on a yellow card he still left him on Cliffford playing inside which was a recipe for disaster given Coopers tendency to play on the edge.

I seen enough yesterday to think that Kerry have a good chance in the replay as well, they have a lot of young players who stood up to the mark yesterday and there is no reason to believe that they won't do likewise again in 2 weeks time. Defensively they were much better than I expected whilst O'Shea was excellent from both free kicks and in open play. Dublin are still worthy favourites but even if kerry don't win the title this year they could go on to dominate for the next few years given the age profile of a lot of their players.

I think dublin will win the replay, but one glimmer of hope for kerry is that the dublin bench is not as strong as it used to be and it seemed very apparent yesterday that gavin doesn't trust his subs. kerry shouldn't have much to fear from that bench. bringing on connolly, a fella who was half way to america a few weeks ago when the game was in the balance just proved the options aren't what they were from the bench anymore
his slow reactions showed a lack of faith in the bench that I dont believe we've seen in recent years from dublin

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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #579 on: September 02, 2019, 01:55:48 PM »
Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

This is something that is so apparent when at a match and looking out the pitch at the movements for the restarts, it's a clear cynical tactic that needs to be stamped out, there's loads of teams at it - it's not just Dublin. The Kerry runner in the minor semi final this year was a disgrace for it.

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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #580 on: September 02, 2019, 01:57:12 PM »
Looking forward to the replay now, should be another classic. The difference between the Mayo-Dublin and Kerry-Dublin games is that you never really believed Mayo had the forwards to get over the line, while Kerry most certainly do.

Clifford mixed the good with the bad. Something that isn't really been talked about is how well he did to get Cooper sent off. Cooper's second yellow came from Clifford very cleverly getting Cooper on the wrong side. That said, he missed a few simple enough chances that he'll need to pop over the next day.

Will be interesting to see if Dublin leave Cooper on Clifford for the replay. Cooper was in all sorts of trouble from early on and he will have been the most relieved man in Croke Park after Dublin lived to fight another day. I'd imagine his place will be in jeopardy for the next match but I don't see an obvious replacement for Cooper unless they play Cian O'Sullivan as a sweeper in front of Clifford and Geaney to give added protection.   

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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #581 on: September 02, 2019, 01:59:47 PM »
I'd be surprised if Cooper doesn't start.  One poor game from a usually totally reliable defender.  Though I don't think he'll be on Clifford.  Mick Fitz did pretty well against him (as well as anyone could, really); I'd expect to see him pick him up again.

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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #582 on: September 02, 2019, 01:59:53 PM »
Why the very noisy booing of Diarmuid Connolly when he came on? I would have expected more from the usually very sporting Kerry supporters.

What were the thoughts on him taking on that shot at the end? I know it was central but must have been 50M out. I thought it was fairly clear that Dublin were passing the ball around trying to create space for a high % shot and think that was a waste.

That said, can you imagine the roar had he landed it.
Most decent club players would have fancied that one. For one of the most talented players to ever play the game you’d expect him to score that in his sleep. Thank god he missed it though.

Really? I don’t even consider him one of the greatest Dubs ever to play the game.
Off topic but he’s up there, ability wise. Can do things with the ball not many others ever can do. May never get back to his best now though. Either way, you’d expect him to kick that score easily.

Maybe he can, but we haven’t seen it on the pitch.

Watch the 2nd half of the 2017 All Ireland replay or 2014 All Ireland club final if you haven't seen Connolly as his best.

I think Clifford is carrying am injury. He was gone with 10 minutes left and it was only on the pitch at the end because of his reputation.

 

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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #583 on: September 02, 2019, 02:00:38 PM »
I thought McCarthy looked quite slow yesterday and might be better moved to midfield and O"Sullivan coming in. MDMA didn't quite cut it so might be something dublin would change.

McMahon should surely have some kind of role.

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Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« Reply #584 on: September 02, 2019, 02:10:16 PM »
Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

One think I would criticise Gough about, there were a few times in the latter stages of the game when players went down injured and he made keepers take a kickout and on one occasion he waved off the medical staff off the pitch. Dangerous craic that, might have been gamesmanship but could have been serious injuries too.

Tony McEntee did that for us all the time under Rochford and he credited Donie Buckley with coming up with idea!!