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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #60 on: July 18, 2019, 05:32:20 PM »
This game should be in Croke Park. That’s the way the ‘Super 8s’ we’re laid out. Cork this year, and Roscommon last year, would have had legitimate gripes about playing in Croke Park

Donegal played two away games last year, not Roscommon. Their game against Dublin in Croke Park was Dublin's home game. Their game against Tyrone was in Croke Park as a neutral venue.

Whereas Donegal's "neutral" game was against Dublin, in Croke Park, which is the same as us playing a neutral game in Ballybofey.
Where did you get this nonsense about "neutral games". There are no "neutral games" in the Super 8. Not a single one. There are home games, away games and Croke Park games.

From the moment the format was introduced, before the beginning of championship 2018, there has never been mention of a "neutral" round. There's a Croke Park round. It's disingenuous to pretend you thought it was a neutral round. It was clear in black and white from the day the vote was taken, that there was to be a home round, an away round and a Croke Park round. This ensured every quarter-finalist got a game in Croke Park. This is what the counties wanted and voted for.

From the beginning of the introduction of quarter-finals, the Leinster champions have always played their QF in Croker. Most of the time that's been Dublin and there's been no uproar. If there had been, then there may been some debate as to whether the round in Super 8s should be a neutral round rather than a Croke Park round, but there wasn't. It didn't come up. On the other hand, there has been uproar in the past when a provincial champion didn't get to play a game in Croke Park. Hence the Croke Park round was an automatic choice that everyone bought into at the time.

Should the semi finals and final be played at a neutral ground or in Croke Park?

Dublin moved the posts, they have now designated Croke Park as their home officially having played all NFL games there since 2011. The fairest and most natural thing is that all Dublin games in the Leinster and AI series bar the 2 finals should be played at a neutral venues same as every other team in Leinster and every team in the AI series. It's a mockery of the competition that 8 years later this hasn't been addressed.

no they didn't, I hate this sort of shit

Well how come they played their home game in Croke Park? Especially as you say they didn't.

No, I didn't say they never played their matches there, I meant they didn't nominate it, that decision was taken out of their hands.

Remember, at Congress last year there was a vote put to the floor. the counties, including yours, voted by a majority to keep Dublin's games in CP.

The decision wasn't taken out of their hands, they have to nominate a venue for the Super 8, Dublin officially nominated Croke Park. How stupid are Dublin supporters to consistently deny Croke Park as their home ground and that when they do they proclaim it makes no real difference contradicting numerous academic papers that constantly prove playing at home is an advantage.

It's not a fair competition simply when one team gets to play the vast majority their games at home. Imagine if Liverpool or Man City were told they could play 75% of their games at home, can imagine Pep or Klopp saying it's no real advantage, would they f**k!!!

Btw have Dublin ever looked to get the dimensions changed, have they ever even asked? I suspect Gavin has their training pitches marked out to the exact same dimensions as Croke Park.

The thing is the home teams who are the subjects of these academic studies would be benefiting from conditions that Dublin do not benefit from when playing in Croke Park:

1. The away team fans would have limited access to tickets, for example I think the prem league limits away fans to max 3000
2. They would be playing on a pitch that they can access and train on at any time they wish and that they can setup any way they like ( for example Klopp clearing the snow off one side of the pitch in Anfield this year)

Neither of these conditions are true for Dublin when they play at Croke Park so those studies are irrelevant. Yes they still benefit due to lack of travel and more familiarity with the pitch than their opponents due to playing league games there but not to the extent that teams playing true home games do.

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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2019, 07:33:53 PM »
Who going to win the game or am I on wrong thread? 😂😂😂

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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2019, 07:43:12 PM »
Croke Park is Dublin's home pitch for their senior footballers. Cut out all the bullsh1t. Until a few years ago, they played every single championship game in Croke Park since 2006. It's a huge advantage, playing at home always is. They have their own dressing room, warm up at their own end and their supporters don't like to travel. They've had pathetic crowds at their championship games in neutral venues over the past few years.
The amazing thing is that this farce of playing at home so often is not even close to being the biggest scandal when it comes to Dublin GAA. We all know what that is. Let me give you a couple of figures to highlight this.

Games Development funding 2005:
Dublin - 1,351,185
Roscommon-?

Games Development 2006:
Dublin - 1,000,000
Roscommon - ?

Games Development funding 2007:
Dublin - 1,603,903
Roscommon - 8,970

Games Development funding 2008:
Dublin - 1,637,380
Roscommon - 9,470

Games Development funding 2009:
Dublin - 1,638,000
Roscommon - 48,000

Games Development funding 2010:
Dublin - 1,588,000
Roscommon - 46,500

Games Development funding 2011:
Dublin - 1,371,333
Roscommon - 48,000

Games Development funding 2012:
Dublin - 1,588,001
Roscommon - 47,500

Games Development funding 2013:
Dublin - 1,509,631
Roscommon - 45,280

Games Development funding 2014:
Dublin - 1,460,400
Roscommon - 41,000

Games Development funding 2015:
Dublin - 1,460,400
Roscommon - 41,000

Games Development funding 2016:
Dublin - 1,463,400
Roscommon - 144,748

Games Development funding 2017:
Dublin - 1,303,630
Roscommon -  146,425





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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2019, 07:53:20 PM »
Who going to win the game or am I on wrong thread? 😂😂😂

I think your on the wrong forum if you have to ask question like that

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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2019, 08:23:43 PM »
Just for those gobshites who still get confused about this being about population.

Antrim:
2007 - 11,960
2008 - 11,960
2009 - 71,167
2010 - 97,689
2011 - 89,889
2012 - 97,666
2013 - 76,842
2014 - 47,400
2015 - 47,400
2016 - 164,400
2017 - 151,400

Cork
2007 - 89,700
2008 - 44,850
2009 - 80,000
2010 - 78,000
2011 - 78,000
2012 - 78,000
2013 - 95,737
2014 - 69,000
2015 - 74,000
2016 - 249,000
2017 - 249,000

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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2019, 10:18:50 PM »
I hear we are going full attack on Saturday, no way can dubs live with us, easy win for ros.

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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2019, 11:46:54 PM »
Is McStay back as Manager :o


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1 BIG CUP and 1 Cupeen so far....

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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #67 on: July 19, 2019, 07:01:03 AM »
This game should be in Croke Park. That’s the way the ‘Super 8s’ we’re laid out. Cork this year, and Roscommon last year, would have had legitimate gripes about playing in Croke Park

Donegal played two away games last year, not Roscommon. Their game against Dublin in Croke Park was Dublin's home game. Their game against Tyrone was in Croke Park as a neutral venue.

Whereas Donegal's "neutral" game was against Dublin, in Croke Park, which is the same as us playing a neutral game in Ballybofey.
Where did you get this nonsense about "neutral games". There are no "neutral games" in the Super 8. Not a single one. There are home games, away games and Croke Park games.

From the moment the format was introduced, before the beginning of championship 2018, there has never been mention of a "neutral" round. There's a Croke Park round. It's disingenuous to pretend you thought it was a neutral round. It was clear in black and white from the day the vote was taken, that there was to be a home round, an away round and a Croke Park round. This ensured every quarter-finalist got a game in Croke Park. This is what the counties wanted and voted for.

From the beginning of the introduction of quarter-finals, the Leinster champions have always played their QF in Croker. Most of the time that's been Dublin and there's been no uproar. If there had been, then there may been some debate as to whether the round in Super 8s should be a neutral round rather than a Croke Park round, but there wasn't. It didn't come up. On the other hand, there has been uproar in the past when a provincial champion didn't get to play a game in Croke Park. Hence the Croke Park round was an automatic choice that everyone bought into at the time.

Should the semi finals and final be played at a neutral ground or in Croke Park?

Dublin moved the posts, they have now designated Croke Park as their home officially having played all NFL games there since 2011. The fairest and most natural thing is that all Dublin games in the Leinster and AI series bar the 2 finals should be played at a neutral venues same as every other team in Leinster and every team in the AI series. It's a mockery of the competition that 8 years later this hasn't been addressed.

no they didn't, I hate this sort of shit

Well how come they played their home game in Croke Park? Especially as you say they didn't.

No, I didn't say they never played their matches there, I meant they didn't nominate it, that decision was taken out of their hands.

Remember, at Congress last year there was a vote put to the floor. the counties, including yours, voted by a majority to keep Dublin's games in CP.

The decision wasn't taken out of their hands, they have to nominate a venue for the Super 8, Dublin officially nominated Croke Park. How stupid are Dublin supporters to consistently deny Croke Park as their home ground and that when they do they proclaim it makes no real difference contradicting numerous academic papers that constantly prove playing at home is an advantage.

It's not a fair competition simply when one team gets to play the vast majority their games at home. Imagine if Liverpool or Man City were told they could play 75% of their games at home, can imagine Pep or Klopp saying it's no real advantage, would they f**k!!!

Btw have Dublin ever looked to get the dimensions changed, have they ever even asked? I suspect Gavin has their training pitches marked out to the exact same dimensions as Croke Park.

I would say brazen rather than stupid, they just want to defend the indefensible.

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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #68 on: July 19, 2019, 09:51:33 AM »
Does Connolly see any game time tomorrow night?

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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2019, 10:11:43 AM »
How stupid are Dublin supporters to consistently deny Croke Park as their home ground and that when they do they proclaim it makes no real difference contradicting numerous academic papers that constantly prove playing at home is an advantage.


I've seen papers on basketball and soccer, which both say that player's performance is unaffected by playing home/away but that referee's performance is affected by partisan crowds.

Stats from 2017 and 2018 football championships, excluding all Croke Park matches, neutral matches and draws:
2017
Home wins 46%
Away wins 54%

2018
Home wins 29%
Away wins 71%

While a small amount can be put down to the way the draws work in the early rounds of the qualifiers, 2018 was still an extraordinary year for away wins. Clearly an outlier, but nothing about it in the media.

Big pitch definitely suits Dubs style of play. Unlike the Dubs hurlers, where the small pitch of Parnell suits them a lot better and playing record in Croke Park and other big pitches is much worse.

The Wimbledon Crazy Gang were famous for their home record and away record being virtually identical, as they were often outnumbered at home games and had different home venues.

Interesting that matches between Ros, Galway and Mayo in Connacht over the last number of years show no advantage/disadvantage re home/away.

Dublin playing all Leinster championship games in Croker is relatively recent. From the 70s up until then we'd always play in other grounds and Dublin footballers have a brilliant record in Leinster provincial grounds. 1 loss in 45 years. Haven't counted how many matches, but would be in excess of 60, and the vast bulk of those before the current team.


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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #70 on: July 19, 2019, 10:22:02 AM »
Does Connolly see any game time tomorrow night?
He was pulled from club duties on Wednesday, so at least has a chance.

Dublin's forward subs the last day were:
Andrews, Kev Mac, O'Gara, Rock, P Small

We know Brogan is training away but can't get into the 26.

I would think that O'Gara's position would be the one that Connolly could grab. If things weren't going to plan and we needed a big man in at 14 for the last 10 minutes, then Connolly is just as good in the air as O'Gara, but has the benefit of being able to use it a helluva lot better. Plus Connolly is obviously a option elsewhere also.

Gavin made wholesale changes for the Roscommon game last year (when it was last of the 3). He'll definitely do it again, especially as we'll likely be the only team with the 6 day turnaround again for the semi-final.  So it may be Tyrone before Connolly gets a run, although there's a chance that Gavin could mix things up over 2 games this year, rather than making all the changes in Game 3.

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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2019, 10:26:36 AM »
How stupid are Dublin supporters to consistently deny Croke Park as their home ground and that when they do they proclaim it makes no real difference contradicting numerous academic papers that constantly prove playing at home is an advantage.


Did Kildare fans moan when had play the dubs in croke park in replays in 98 and 2000 or the famous the in a row in 97?
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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2019, 10:33:35 AM »
especially as we'll likely be the only team with the 6 day turnaround again for the semi-final. 

A 6 day turnaround before an an All Ireland semi-final is an utter joke. Nobody really cares when it happens the Dubs but it's still wrong.

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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #73 on: July 19, 2019, 10:35:08 AM »
especially as we'll likely be the only team with the 6 day turnaround again for the semi-final. 

A 6 day turnaround before an an All Ireland semi-final is an utter joke. Nobody really cares when it happens the Dubs but it's still wrong.

Yep completely unfair. But the GAA doesn't do fairness.
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Re: Ros away to Dublin 20th July 2019
« Reply #74 on: July 19, 2019, 10:38:28 AM »
especially as we'll likely be the only team with the 6 day turnaround again for the semi-final. 

A 6 day turnaround before an an All Ireland semi-final is an utter joke. Nobody really cares when it happens the Dubs but it's still wrong.
This ‘we’re the victim’ nonsense has to stop by all fans..there should be a two week break after super 8s.. a six day turnaround is just not right ..