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Re: They'll soon do away with Goalkeepers completely!
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2019, 08:10:54 PM »
Trying to solve a problem which does not even exist.

Exactly! That's such a minor issue if it's an issue at all.
John Horan is coming out with an initiative a week and hoping some of them will find favour with the public and deflect from the big issue.

It is becoming a issue, hence why it should be looked at before it becomes like soccer.  I've seen teams kick sideline balls back to the keeper about 30 yards back.. Safety first approach is boring.. Not many want to see that

Totally agree. The back pass rule in soccer transformed the game. I feel sorry for the keepers who are really getting involved in the game and having great craic but this is probably a rule which could be trialled to see if it has an overall positive impact.

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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2019, 10:23:48 PM »
Sorry lads, i think its complete nonsense. Its a rule change to solve an issue that isnt really an issue at all.
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Re: They'll soon do away with Goalkeepers completely!
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2019, 10:31:13 PM »
Anyone against looking at this actually able to say why they feel that way?

Criticising Horan generally or saying there are other issues doesn't count.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2019, 10:36:24 PM by Esmarelda »

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Re: They'll soon do away with Goalkeepers completely!
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2019, 10:33:57 PM »
If they make it narrow and have it that they can't get a ball back immediately after they've kicked it out and can't receive a back pass from a sideline or free then I'm OK with it. Anything more and it's a joke.

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Re: They'll soon do away with Goalkeepers completely!
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2019, 10:45:55 PM »
Anyone against looking at this actually able to say they feel that way?

Criticising Horan generally or saying there are other issues doesn't count.

Okay, we are deep in injury time and Mayo are protecting a one point lead. Dean Rock has a 55m kick and it drops just short and right. Colm Barrett is underneath it and takes a clean catch. Heís immediately set upon by both Mannion and Costello. Thereís no options to his left, why would there be? He canít dodge them both.  If he holds onto the ball, itís overcarrying and a tap over free for Dublin to equalise. Inside him on the right is David Clarke, an outlet. His options are now, 1. throw it over the end line for a 45 in front of the posts, which makes him look like a ****, for Dean Rock doesnít miss those, 2. give it to Clarke anyway and let him share the blame - except what if Clarke freezes and refuses the ball, and thereís danger everywhere, it could result in a goal - oh and what if because Clarke is in the small square, it might be deemed a penalty (tbc).

 This is a f**king mess for Barrett, and all because he was doing the most natural thing in the world of stopping Rockís miscued free from dropping direct into the net.


Think about this folks. This is a f**king mess. Itís the stupidest f**king rule change ever considered by the Association.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2019, 10:54:55 PM by thewobbler »

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Re: They'll soon do away with Goalkeepers completely!
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2019, 10:49:27 PM »
Anyone against looking at this actually able to say why they feel that way?

Criticising Horan generally or saying there are other issues doesn't count.
Yes, I believe I can.
It quite simply has never presented itself as an issue that reflects negatively on the game, therefore the rule change is entirely futile and unnecessary.



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Re: They'll soon do away with Goalkeepers completely!
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2019, 08:06:51 AM »
Anyone against looking at this actually able to say they feel that way?

Criticising Horan generally or saying there are other issues doesn't count.

Okay, we are deep in injury time and Mayo are protecting a one point lead. Dean Rock has a 55m kick and it drops just short and right. Colm Barrett is underneath it and takes a clean catch. Heís immediately set upon by both Mannion and Costello. Thereís no options to his left, why would there be? He canít dodge them both.  If he holds onto the ball, itís overcarrying and a tap over free for Dublin to equalise. Inside him on the right is David Clarke, an outlet. His options are now, 1. throw it over the end line for a 45 in front of the posts, which makes him look like a ****, for Dean Rock doesnít miss those, 2. give it to Clarke anyway and let him share the blame - except what if Clarke freezes and refuses the ball, and thereís danger everywhere, it could result in a goal - oh and what if because Clarke is in the small square, it might be deemed a penalty (tbc).

 This is a f**king mess for Barrett, and all because he was doing the most natural thing in the world of stopping Rockís miscued free from dropping direct into the net.


Think about this folks. This is a f**king mess. Itís the stupidest f**king rule change ever considered by the Association.
If you're defending a scoreable free deep in injury time surely you'll have a couple of men back on the line/in the box. Otherwise boot the ball out for a 45. That's like saying a player is being tackled by five lads and he can't quite manage to get a legit hand pass so he should do what's most natural and throw the ball or put the head down and charge out.

The rule would be brought in to try to restrict keep ball, something that everyone (up to now) has been roaring about so how would it be anywhere near the stupidest rule ever brought in? It's not even the worst this year,

Anyone against looking at this actually able to say why they feel that way?

Criticising Horan generally or saying there are other issues doesn't count.
Yes, I believe I can.
It quite simply has never presented itself as an issue that reflects negatively on the game, therefore the rule change is entirely futile and unnecessary.


So you also haven't noticed, nor were you one of the many complaining about keep ball?

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Re: They'll soon do away with Goalkeepers completely!
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2019, 08:15:57 AM »
From what Iíve seen, it is very rare for the goalkeeper to be involved in keep ball. It usually happens between the 21 & 45 and the only roaring I do at it is at the team who donít make any effort to break from their comfort blanket to actually go out the field and win the ball back. These teams who are losing the game and still keep everyone back deserve absolutely nothing as far as Iím concerned. There are those who believe that it is up to the team in possession to bring the ball to them. That is beyond me.
Either way, taking the goalkeepers out of it is bullshit and will not stifle keep ball one iota.


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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2019, 09:51:13 AM »
From what Iíve seen, it is very rare for the goalkeeper to be involved in keep ball. It usually happens between the 21 & 45 and the only roaring I do at it is at the team who donít make any effort to break from their comfort blanket to actually go out the field and win the ball back. These teams who are losing the game and still keep everyone back deserve absolutely nothing as far as Iím concerned. There are those who believe that it is up to the team in possession to bring the ball to them. That is beyond me.
Either way, taking the goalkeepers out of it is bullshit and will not stifle keep ball one iota.
I agree with your outlook on the other team needing to press up, but I seemed to be in the minority on that.

The goalkeeper mightn't actually have been involved in these scenarios that often but he's the safeguard at the back of the process who might actually deter a team from pressing up.

I'm not all out for this rule as I'm much more in the camp of let the game evolve, but compared to what we've been looking at with the sideline ball and handpass I think it's worth a look.

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Re: They'll soon do away with Goalkeepers completely!
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2019, 09:59:35 AM »
John Horan reminds me of Phil Hogan

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Re: They'll soon do away with Goalkeepers completely!
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2019, 10:02:06 AM »
John Horan is full of shit. And appears to be a really arrogant man as well.

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Re: They'll soon do away with Goalkeepers completely!
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2019, 10:53:16 AM »
John Horan is full of shit. And appears to be a really arrogant man as well.

I've met him in person and he's anything but arrogant, in fact nice to the point of disarming.

Given his role in heading the Leinster Council at a time when it wouldn't even hand Dublin an away game in the Leinster football championship, he always struck me as an unsuitable choice for GAA President but I can see why county delegates voted in droves for him.

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Re: They'll soon do away with Goalkeepers completely!
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2019, 11:17:14 AM »
Unfortunately he seems to be still acting as Dublin delegate instead of National President.
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Re: They'll soon do away with Goalkeepers completely!
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2019, 01:32:49 PM »
What the f**k is Donal Og Cusack doing comparing not passing to goalkeepers to British colonial rule??

can you put up his quote please?

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Re: They'll soon do away with Goalkeepers completely!
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2019, 01:54:55 PM »
Anyone against looking at this actually able to say they feel that way?

Criticising Horan generally or saying there are other issues doesn't count.

Okay, we are deep in injury time and Mayo are protecting a one point lead. Dean Rock has a 55m kick and it drops just short and right. Colm Barrett is underneath it and takes a clean catch. Heís immediately set upon by both Mannion and Costello. Thereís no options to his left, why would there be? He canít dodge them both.  If he holds onto the ball, itís overcarrying and a tap over free for Dublin to equalise. Inside him on the right is David Clarke, an outlet. His options are now, 1. throw it over the end line for a 45 in front of the posts, which makes him look like a ****, for Dean Rock doesnít miss those, 2. give it to Clarke anyway and let him share the blame - except what if Clarke freezes and refuses the ball, and thereís danger everywhere, it could result in a goal - oh and what if because Clarke is in the small square, it might be deemed a penalty (tbc).

 This is a f**king mess for Barrett, and all because he was doing the most natural thing in the world of stopping Rockís miscued free from dropping direct into the net.


Think about this folks. This is a f**king mess. Itís the stupidest f**king rule change ever considered by the Association.
If you're defending a scoreable free deep in injury time surely you'll have a couple of men back on the line/in the box. Otherwise boot the ball out for a 45. That's like saying a player is being tackled by five lads and he can't quite manage to get a legit hand pass so he should do what's most natural and throw the ball or put the head down and charge out.

The rule would be brought in to try to restrict keep ball, something that everyone (up to now) has been roaring about so how would it be anywhere near the stupidest rule ever brought in? It's not even the worst this year,

Anyone against looking at this actually able to say why they feel that way?

Criticising Horan generally or saying there are other issues doesn't count.
Yes, I believe I can.
It quite simply has never presented itself as an issue that reflects negatively on the game, therefore the rule change is entirely futile and unnecessary.


So you also haven't noticed, nor were you one of the many complaining about keep ball?

If you donít understand that the scenario (if not the context) above is a regular occurrence in football, then you must never watch the game. Every keeper takes the central goal position in these scenarios.

What youíre advocating here means that - in this scenario - he has no purpose for his team, he is a passenger, and indeed, any attempt to appear otherwise would in fact prove beneficial to the  opposition.

He would be training 12 months a year so that in certain high pressure situations the best move he can make for his team is to temporarily step over the end line.

This is absolute f**king insanity.

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There may of course may be a suitable rule change where passing to the keeper in teneted situations is outlawed. But approaching this issue with any sense of a blanket ban, marks you out as a thoughtless, dangerously thoughtless, person.

Iíd prefer John Haran was moved along quickly at this point.