Author Topic: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm  (Read 19044 times)

Owen Brannigan

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Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.
You're very bitter against Tyrone,  what happened?

My attitude to Tyrone has not changed.

This post is not about Tyrone, it is equally applicable to all those engaged in whataboutery regarding unacceptable behaviour of players, mostly in this thread some Tyrone and Dublin posters and the battling posts being used to justify one action by pointing out another was as bad or worse.


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Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.

Whataboutery bis important in terms of balance.

Some people don't want balance.


Thank you, you make my point for me.

In other words..... "thats a good point but I ill play to the gallery cos I cant argue against it" 
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very mature
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omaghjoe

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Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.
You're very bitter against Tyrone,  what happened?

My attitude to Tyrone has not changed.

This post is not about Tyrone, it is equally applicable to all those engaged in whataboutery regarding unacceptable behaviour of players, mostly in this thread some Tyrone and Dublin posters and the battling posts being used to justify one action by pointing out another was as bad or worse.


Your attitude to Tyrone has not changed since when exactly? 2003 & 2005 make no difference at all  ;)

Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents? Its the basis of law and science

Following your subjective (or anyone else's) perception of an event is far more flawed, and your indignation that people dont do so smacks of arrogance
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Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.
You're very bitter against Tyrone,  what happened?

My attitude to Tyrone has not changed.

This post is not about Tyrone, it is equally applicable to all those engaged in whataboutery regarding unacceptable behaviour of players, mostly in this thread some Tyrone and Dublin posters and the battling posts being used to justify one action by pointing out another was as bad or worse.

Only in your head is justification happening.

What McCann did was wrong, indefensibe - I'm having to repeat myself again as you're ignoring what's in front of you.

There is another aspect here though, many other players have done the wrong and indefensibe, some of them are repeat offenders but depending of the jersey they wear seems to decide whether they are vilified or not for those actions.

You call it whataboutery, I call it balance.

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Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.

Whataboutery bis important in terms of balance.

Some people don't want balance.


Thank you, you make my point for me.

Your point is that you want to talk out both sides of your mouth. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Owen Brannigan

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Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents?

Very simply, by the lack of decency, the degree of violence, the harm or injury inflicted and the absence of sportsmanship to name a few baselines or comparators.

No other comparisons to similar bad acts are needed. It is purely down to knowledge of what is right and wrong during a sporting competition.

omaghjoe

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Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents?

Very simply, by the lack of decency, the degree of violence, the harm or injury inflicted and the absence of sportsmanship to name a few baselines or comparators.

No other comparisons to similar bad acts are needed. It is purely down to knowledge of what is right and wrong during a sporting competition.

Your proving my point as what youve proposed is totally subjective......  nevermind putting a quantitative measure on them but what does"lack of decency" and "absence of sportsmanship" objectively translate too?

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Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.
You're very bitter against Tyrone,  what happened?

My attitude to Tyrone has not changed.

This post is not about Tyrone, it is equally applicable to all those engaged in whataboutery regarding unacceptable behaviour of players, mostly in this thread some Tyrone and Dublin posters and the battling posts being used to justify one action by pointing out another was as bad or worse.


Your attitude to Tyrone has not changed since when exactly? 2003 & 2005 make no difference at all  ;)

Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents? Its the basis of law and science

Following your subjective (or anyone else's) perception of an event is far more flawed, and your indignation that people dont do so smacks of arrogance

You are aware football existed before 2003 right?

Owen Brannigan

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Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents?

Very simply, by the lack of decency, the degree of violence, the harm or injury inflicted and the absence of sportsmanship to name a few baselines or comparators.

No other comparisons to similar bad acts are needed. It is purely down to knowledge of what is right and wrong during a sporting competition.

Your proving my point as what youve proposed is totally subjective......  nevermind putting a quantitative measure on them but what does"lack of decency" and "absence of sportsmanship" objectively translate too?

When you have to ask those questions you have lost your way and any argument.

omaghjoe

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Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents?

Very simply, by the lack of decency, the degree of violence, the harm or injury inflicted and the absence of sportsmanship to name a few baselines or comparators.

No other comparisons to similar bad acts are needed. It is purely down to knowledge of what is right and wrong during a sporting competition.

Your proving my point as what youve proposed is totally subjective......  nevermind putting a quantitative measure on them but what does"lack of decency" and "absence of sportsmanship" objectively translate too?

When you have to ask those questions you have lost your way and any argument.

Eh no... when one stops discussing the point and resort to telling g the other person in the discussion they have lost the argument is exactly the point that one has lost the argument

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Tyrone fans coming across as very gracious in defeat.

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Someone close this thread for god's sake.

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Decision on McCann. About right IMO. Hope Tyrone accept and move on.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/48623026?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=facebook&ns_campaign=the_bbc_championship&ns_linkname=northern_ireland&fbclid=IwAR35HuyH8_tpq0n0i6Vi4jYXJdr_0vp4fvuv3bCSZ7f6IHLG9nmq81uyJFk

Tyrone's Tiernan McCann has been handed a proposed two-match ban by GAA disciplinary bosses following the controversial incident in the Ulster SFC semi-final defeat by Donegal.

TV pictures showed McCann's right hand making contact with the mouth of Stephen McMenamin and also appearing to step on the Donegal man's neck.

Referee David Gough did not see the incident, but the CCCC reviewed it.

The ruling relates to both offences, with the bans to run concurrently.

The two-match penalty is understood to have been proposed by the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee and the player now has the option of accepting the sanction or appealing against it.

The Tyrone player appeared to attempt to wrest McMenamin's gum shield out of his mouth as the Donegal player was on his back on the Kingspan Breffni turf and the Killyclogher man then seemed to catch the defender's neck with a boot.

BBC Sport Northern Ireland GAA Championship pundit Oisin McConville described McCann's behaviour as "inexcusable", adding that GAA bosses were "bound to take a look at it".

McConville's fellow BBC analyst Martin Clarke also described the incident as "not a good look".

If McCann's proposed sanction does remain in place, he will miss Tyrone's All-Ireland qualifier against Longford at Pearse Park on Saturday, 22 June.
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So he has in effect just a one match ban?
"Stercus accidit"

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So he has in effect just a one match ban?

Going by previous punishments for more serious incidents a one match ban was all he could have received but somehow he got a 2 match man. Regardless of the fact that he is injured it is still a 2 match ban.