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Re: Good news for US "illegals"
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2007, 06:17:25 PM »
My Ma was born in Armagh and came over here (U.S.) when she was only 18. She had to have 3 teeth removed and wait another 5 years before all the LEGAL paperwork went through before she was allowed citizenship.


What had getting teeth removed to do with anything?

At that time the immigration rules required people with certain dental fillings to have the fillings removed because of potential health risks associated with the materials...not a popular practice.

My Ma was born in Armagh and came over here (U.S.) when she was only 18. She had to have 3 teeth removed and wait another 5 years before all the LEGAL paperwork went through before she was allowed citizenship. I was a citizen 7 months before she was granted citizenship. My mother went through the whole dog and pony show to become a U.S. citizen. So why should someone else who decides I'LL stay here for a few years get citizenship because they did not to go through the proper channels, deserve U.S. citizenship?

I served 3 year in the US Army to defend the US constitution and freedoms of all American Citizens both near and wide and I'LL be damned if that helps ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS - Irish, Mexican, Polish or wherever they come from to take advantage of pressure from the ACLU, immigrant right lawyers or kind hearted citizens. The right to become a US citizen from an immigrant has to be earned  the Legal way.

This might blow Stew (republican) away but I am a Democrat who feels Immigration is a privelage and not a concession. I now hold a dual citizenship for the US and Ireland, but again I went through the proper channels to attain this honor. I can not fathom how Irish citizens would just sit back and allow 20 million plus Illegal Aliens to become Irish citizens per year just because they were living there and wanted to stay there.

I guess my point is citizenship has its privilage but ONLY when attained properly.


Besides, half of my friends who were born here in the US would love to move to Ireland to take advatage of the Celtic Tiger but learned how hard it would be to become legal immigrants in Ireland have passed on the thought because of all the rules the Irish government imposses on immigrants.

Remeber the grass always looks greener on the other side.

The Celtic Tiger????? Wise the bap big son.  There is no Celtic Tiger.  The banks own everything!
Tell your friends to sell their 4 bedroom, 1.5 bathroom, basement, swimming pool and house with a garage for $400,000. Give up their life in America and come to Ireland.
Tell them to get it changed into Euros and see what kind of house they can get for their money.

The grass is greener on the other side.  Try living in Ireland and struggling to make ends meet and then tell us all its such a great place to live.  Ireland is the best place in the world - but the economy is a load of shite and driving us all into too much dept.

Things have changed a lot since your "ma" as you call her got legally into America. 

I know your type lad - Irish roots - guaranteed to have a tattoo with something Irish on it, gauranteed to have an Irish flag on your car, gets totally smashed on St Patrick's day and think because you are Irish you have to pick a fight at the weekends - just to uphold the Irish reputation.  You are ashamed you don't have ginger hair and freckles and that your ma didn't call you something more Irish like Seamus.  You listen to Irish punk rock which nobody in Ireland listens to.  You drink Jameson.  You drink bad tasting harp and don't understand that you need to let a pint of Guinness to settle before you drink it. You call bacon "rashers" cause you think its cool. You sing Irish songs but don't know why.  You wanted to be in the IRA when you were growing up.

Don't even waste my time


Don't even waste our time with your grass is greener on the other side rhetoric. Hu ha



You are right sir, I must go and sweep up all my gold goins that are littering my front yard. Seeing how my payments to the mortgage company has to be a donation since everyone here owns their own house. Making ends meet is a constant struggle for the majority of the world.

Tatoo yes , nothing on the car, St Patricks day is spent with family and friends, too tough to fight, look fabulous with dark hair and freckles, my name is fantastic and unique-not irish/gaelic, hate punk rock( love willie, waylon and the boys), prefer seagrams whiskey,
drink harp because I enjoy the taste (worked as a bartender so yes I know a pint has to sit), I call bacon- bacon because thats what it is, I know plenty of irish songs but one night at kareokee (sp)  I made a mess of margaritaville and swore never to put anyone else through that torture again, NEVER wanted to be in the IRA lost three relatives to the troubles.

All my rambling in my first post was to simply state if you are looking for citizenship go through the proper procedures and I like most citizens will have no problem, remember illegal is still illegal.





 
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Re: Good news for US "illegals"
« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2007, 06:21:51 PM »
I served 3 year in the US Army to defend the US constitution and freedoms of all American Citizens both near and wide


Was the US invaded – who won?


It was those damn Canandians, had to shoot a nerf ball at them to keep their love of bacon and maple syrup up inthe great white north.
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Re: Good news for US "illegals"
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2007, 08:38:43 PM »

Dear Iceman, I meant it to be patronizing, condescending and dowqnright annoying to be honest, I see it worked.

I filled out the paperwork 11 years ago. I applied like everyone else and I knew nobody, basically i did the right thing and applied legally and got in.

If I had have been turned down I would have kept my business and lived in the north because i was not going to go to the states illegally.

I dont have a chip on my shoulder about illegals being in the states, I just think it is wrong, just as I believe it is detremental to my own Country. Tell me this iceman, who is stopping these people from going home to see their loved one's???? it is their own selfishness that stops them , they put themselves in that position and nobody else is to blame so why should I give a damn about some ballix that hasnt got the gumption to go home whjen a family member needs them?????

Ireland is far from a joke, if you think that you know nothing about economics and the fact is the economy has been predicted to go into recession/depression for quite a few years now and the crash still has not happened.

There is nothing wrong with looking for a better life for your family and yourself, but quit whinging when daddy gets sick and poor you wont take the new grandchild to see him?? that to me is selfish. As for escaping Ireland, if you hate it that much why not move to somewhere in the EU? believe it or not you can do that legally with no problems at all. There is something however wrong with entering a Country illegally, a fact you continue to ignore you lawbreaker you.  :)

As for me being ashamed of myself for not helping Irish people in America, I have done so and I will continue to do so but I really dont give a fiddlers fart where people are from if I can help them i will help them and I owe the irish people in America feck all, what have they done for me??????

I am obliged to pay my taxes and rear my family,I am doing that within the boundaries of the law, shame you cannot say the same.


I am 100% legal.  I currently hold a K1 Finace visa that took over 6 months to get.  I will convert to full citizenship after a lot of paperwork and a lot more waiting once we are marired.
I am only 28 - hopefully when I am your age I will be able to say I have reared my family, paid my taxes and stayed within the boundaries of the law.

I unlike you however do not have a chip on my shoulder about the illegals.

The Irish are renowned the world over for looking after their own - thank God you are not our typical representative abroad.

Europe is not an option for most people on here due to the language barriers.

And your reference about selling your business says it all.  Obviously you had a bit of money behind you and good luck to you - but there are a lot of guys who don't and didn't have that privilege when going to America.

Chosing not to give up everything you have built up over the past 10 years to come home to see a sick relative is not being selfish.  Its a sacrafice.  You think the illegals don't want to visit home? Its not balck and white lad and you need to stop and consider that for a second.

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Re: Good news for US "illegals"
« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2007, 10:36:33 PM »
without getting into the rights and wrongs of this debate i must comment on one point
 ''The Irish are renowned the world over for looking after their own - thank God you are not our typical representative abroad.''
my experience wouldnt quite be that rosy. i found that wherever you find irish you will often find that they are ones ripping off their own.

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Re: Good news for US "illegals"
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2007, 10:54:01 PM »

Dear Iceman, I meant it to be patronizing, condescending and dowqnright annoying to be honest, I see it worked.

I filled out the paperwork 11 years ago. I applied like everyone else and I knew nobody, basically i did the right thing and applied legally and got in.

If I had have been turned down I would have kept my business and lived in the north because i was not going to go to the states illegally.

I dont have a chip on my shoulder about illegals being in the states, I just think it is wrong, just as I believe it is detremental to my own Country. Tell me this iceman, who is stopping these people from going home to see their loved one's???? it is their own selfishness that stops them , they put themselves in that position and nobody else is to blame so why should I give a damn about some ballix that hasnt got the gumption to go home whjen a family member needs them?????

Ireland is far from a joke, if you think that you know nothing about economics and the fact is the economy has been predicted to go into recession/depression for quite a few years now and the crash still has not happened.

There is nothing wrong with looking for a better life for your family and yourself, but quit whinging when daddy gets sick and poor you wont take the new grandchild to see him?? that to me is selfish. As for escaping Ireland, if you hate it that much why not move to somewhere in the EU? believe it or not you can do that legally with no problems at all. There is something however wrong with entering a Country illegally, a fact you continue to ignore you lawbreaker you.  :)

As for me being ashamed of myself for not helping Irish people in America, I have done so and I will continue to do so but I really dont give a fiddlers fart where people are from if I can help them i will help them and I owe the irish people in America feck all, what have they done for me??????

I am obliged to pay my taxes and rear my family,I am doing that within the boundaries of the law, shame you cannot say the same.


I am 100% legal.  I currently hold a K1 Finace visa that took over 6 months to get.  I will convert to full citizenship after a lot of paperwork and a lot more waiting once we are marired.
I am only 28 - hopefully when I am your age I will be able to say I have reared my family, paid my taxes and stayed within the boundaries of the law.

I unlike you however do not have a chip on my shoulder about the illegals.

The Irish are renowned the world over for looking after their own - thank God you are not our typical representative abroad.

Europe is not an option for most people on here due to the language barriers.

And your reference about selling your business says it all.  Obviously you had a bit of money behind you and good luck to you - but there are a lot of guys who don't and didn't have that privilege when going to America.

Chosing not to give up everything you have built up over the past 10 years to come home to see a sick relative is not being selfish.  Its a sacrafice.  You think the illegals don't want to visit home? Its not balck and white lad and you need to stop and consider that for a second.

Cordialement,

The Iceman

So you are legal iceman, whoopdeedoo.

You seem to think I have a chip on my shoulder about illegal people being in America, i don't I just dont think they should be here thats all, it is just my opinion but I dont disrespect them, in fact I play football with them every week and even play golf with one boyo from ballymena once a week.

As for me not be a typical representative abroad, well you dont know me so how do you know what I am like and from what i have seen from the irish over here at times I am delighted not be be like them, I took one of your so called representatives in and paid for a place for him to stay for two months, when that was done i gave him a job in my business and paid him well and vouched for him on a loan, he promptly robbed me of $3,000 and I caught him because it was a cash business and I had cameras installed, this representative had now committed a felony and even then I didnt turn him in because my conscience would not let me, instead I called his home and his parents sent me the $4600 he owed me and he fecked off in case I called the peelers, i didnt.

I hooked up a brother in Law of a well known poster on here and I got his girlfriend a job with the company I work for, he was illegal but I helped him and his family out.

Most recently we have a family friend from Cork who lives in Green Bay until Tomorrow, he has been here legally for 20 years, he was a social worker until two years ago when he took a stroke and was no longer able to do that role, I got him a job with the company I work for but he couldnt hack that either due to health concerns so I bought him food, filled his tank up and when me and the missus went to Mexico we had other people takle care of him until we got back, one last thing, he is gay and i am a tad  homophobic but I took care of this man because he was in need so i dont need some cub telling me that i dont do my bit for 'my own' because I help people out when i can.

The language barrier excuse is pathetic, that is a cop out. God forbid you learn a different language.

I did have a bit of money behind me but I earned it, every penny of it, I nearly went under at one point but we got through that and the business turned around and we did fantastically well but I have no illusions of grandeur, I know where I came from and also know that I am more than willing to halp anyone that needs it if I am in a position to do so. I am a Christian and I should help others, I do however retain the right to my opinion and it is my opinion that illegal immigrants should be sent back from where they came from.

As for someone not going home because they could not get back in being a sacrifice that is absolute bollocks, it is inward focus and selfishness, no feckin way i would stop my father from seeing his grandchild if he was unable to travel to see her. I have had the excuses happen to me personally and they stink, I said so and that cost me in that I had a sibling not speak to me for two years but at lest she knew where I stood.

Hows this for black and white, breaking the law is wrong and all the excuses in the world wont change that fact!
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Re: Good news for US "illegals"
« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2007, 11:16:51 PM »
Well I returned here a year ago after 12 years  in Florida. I was legal (Morrison Visa) and 5 years ago I became a   US citizen.I  took out citizenship to make it easier to get in and out of the US and also to help my wife get her green card.Thankfully I could keep my Irish passport as well as I wouldn't have done it otherwise.I met a lot of illegal Irish out there and I  was always thankful that I  wasn't one myself.All that watching out over your shoulder, hassle (particularly since 9-11) with driving licences, travel within the US never mind going back to the old sod etc etc.I  admired  the illegals, how they managed to  work, set up business, raise families, all the time without a social security number because i would never have been able to do it!At the same time, that was the chance that a lot of illegals took when going over to the US.Also irish people here cannot complain about illegals  in this country and then demand legality for illegals in the US.I  remember when my wife was applying for the  conditional visa, before her green card, the lawyer telling us that the laws  regarding citizenship were crafted years ago by irish-american judges and politicians especially to help the Irish.So being irish  has its advantages. We decided to raise our children here and we got out of the US just in time as the housing market collapsed in Florida and the dollar collapsed against the Euro. I would hate to be anyone Irish considering a move home from the US at  the moment as you would lose 35c at least out of every dollar  at least.Add to that the  cost of housing here  and then you can see why a lot of Irish (illegal and legal) cannot  move home at the moment.I was extremely lucky in my timing and Thank God the move has worked out for us.Ireland is IMHO the best place to raise the 3 boys I have and the old children's allowance is great too ;)    I wish all legal and illegal  Irish the best of luck living abroad, it's not easy being away from home!!!!

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Re: Good news for US "illegals"
« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2007, 05:08:17 AM »
  Fair play to you Stew if you did all that for the lad and by the way, i agree 100% with you on this!
  Its just unfortunate that the Irish have to be caught up in this with the Latinos that are flooding across
  the border here on the left coast,  they have us poor b**tards broke paying for their Health care and doing
  there damnedest in helping keep wages down for the rest of us that are trying to toe the line, thats
  just the tip of the ice berg. Im sick of hearing from the ACLU and the likes about rights this and rights that,
  As far as im concerned they don't have any rights, they're not entitled to any rights, they are here ILLEGALLY, end of.

 
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« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2007, 10:59:27 AM »
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As far as im concerned they don't have any rights, they're not entitled to any rights, they are here ILLEGALLY, end of.

No doubt you  mean Oakleaf stateside and New Devil here, or are you only prejudiced against Latinos?
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« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2007, 02:24:00 PM »

  Its hard not to be if you saw what goes on here, as i said its unfortunate that the Irish are shoulder to
 shoulder with these free loaders for citizenship as it does there cause no favours in a lot of minds.
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Re: Good news for US "illegals"
« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2007, 02:50:50 PM »
The number of times I've heard from Irish people over here (the US) say "I was never a racist until I came here..." or "I'm not a racist but..." cracks me up. There are free loaders of every creed colour shape and size, and for every one of them there's a hard working one to match.
Irish bars in New York- half with illegal staff, and who do they employ to do the heavy lifting, the coking, the cleaning, and the bar prep (from 4am to 10am) Mexicans. There are plenty of Latinos (and Latinas) working their asses off here for feck all money, and still managing to send home a few quid (dollars /pesos). They would happily do it legally and pay the taxes so as not to have to keep looking over their shoulders, and they are contributing to the US economy (which one poster enlisted to protect).
As I said earlier, legal residence in the US is not black and white (or yellow or brown)
There are also people who are here legally, but are only entitled to residency, and not legally allowed to work (even charity work) -how that is helping the US economy is beyond me. The immigration legislation here needs sorted, its a mess. That is why I have sympathy for people working illegally, especially those that are paying taxes, and therefore they should have rights, why else would you pay taxes. They end up paying the salary of those people that are seeking to send them out of the country...
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Re: Good news for US "illegals"
« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2007, 03:08:05 PM »
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It was those damn Canandians, had to shoot a nerf ball at them to keep their love of bacon and maple syrup up inthe great white north.


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Re: Good news for US "illegals"
« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2007, 06:49:04 PM »
To me there is no difference in people regardless of their nationality, illegal aliens are not better because they are Irish rather than hispanic and vice versa. If a so called latino is a sc**bag he is a sc**bag because of who he is and because of his actions, the same applies to the Irish, german and Nigerians.
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