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Baile Brigín 2

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Re: Another PR disaster
« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2019, 01:47:13 PM »
Nobody able to answer why a GAA club held a Soccer fundraiser for a GAA coach and player?

Ask them.

I assume because it was the easiest way to include more people, making more money. That whole community spirit thing.

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Re: Another PR disaster
« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2019, 01:50:09 PM »
I’d be interested to learn how the “angry populists” would like to handle these situations.

Should we really relinquish the blanket rule that GAA grounds are for Gaelic Games only? I mean what could possibly be gained from such a rule change? The GAA has continued to thrive throughout soccer’s mass explosion as a result of the EPL and Satellite TV. Mainly because it is grounded in being a community sport. Central, well-maintained facilities in every village in Ireland, run by the community for the community. That’s the GAA’s USP.

So if not that, then what it is you actually want? That any facility can be used in the name of charity? Or should we appoint a committee to oversee if charities are the “right sort of charities”, and not some scam by local soccer heads... or perhaps a fundraiser for Saoradh? Maybe we can let Twitter decide, as there’s no dinosaurs hang out over there.

And then if you get what you want. What next? Should we get rid of the #onelifeoneclub philosophy? Surely that one is from a dinosaur age too? Sure isn’t there thousands of lads have turned their back on the GAA because of it? And we can’t be doing that in 2019.

Then what next? Sure maybe we look at smaller pitches. Not only would they cost less to maintain, but they’ll be more suited to our local soccer teams too. And once we’ve gone that far, wouldn’t be great if we could experiment with some of the GAA players - let’s say 10 on each team - not being able to use their hands? That would bring us more in line with soccer, and sure it has a worldwide appeal, so can’t be doing it wrong. Then we can start paying the players too. Great.

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I’m a huge fan of association football by the way. But condemning the GAA as anti-community is so wrong on so many levels that it’s borderline blasphemy. It is the ultimate community organisation. And its rules and regulations are the cornerstone of how it got here.

Run by the community for the community is a great line, but they got punished for doing exactly that, being part of the community and running a charitable event for a Gael.

The rules relating to banning foreign games were put in place to ensure the GAA embedded as those sports had generations on them. Its now 2019 and many clubs need the revenue that renting the astro would bring. An astro they funded and maintain. It would also be nice for clubs to decide what community events they can support without jobsworths spiking them for 2 months.
Regardless of the ins and outs of this case, ultimately my empathy is with the those in greatest need in this case.
It seems to me that the club and the county board should have handled this case more sensitively , given circumstances so traumatic , few of us can comprehend. A sensible approach could probably have got this one “over the line”. I only hope that the controversy whilst having a negative PR for the GAA will serve to highlight and bolster the cause for this Man and his family.
That said, there are clear cut rules and a clear process to change them. But There is also a clear hypocrisy in the corporate GAA’s restricting any relaxation of the rules for Croke Park and county boards, but not clubs.
Though the insurance arguments are valid, they are not insurmountable.
However Wobbler is right imho regarding the GAA having a responsibility to protect the best community organisation in the world . Soccer is a direct rival for our players and whilst cooperation between the sports is mostly for the benefit of both sports, there are valid reasons why GAA must be guarded about diluting principles which have served it well.
The controversy and bad PR surrounding this will delight those with an unhealthy resentment, poor understanding and lack of respect for the GAA.
We are a sporting organisation like no other, and our ethos and several of our regulations are the reason why we punch well above our weight.
It disappoints me that this is another controversy which could have been avoided with good sense and goodwill from all parties.

You appear to be suffering from a severe case of 'splinterinthearseitis' from all that fence sitting.

Well done on stopping soccer in its tracks by hammering a club for helping a GAA man out  There is a club full of fellas with two months of arse scratching ahead. Wonder where they might go?

Those principles made sense at the time they were brought in. They are a clear handicap to the clubs now. If this was held in a county ground, there would be no issue. Its another slap in the face to a club game that has no support.

Don’t like the rule? Then change it. If you’re a member of a GAA club you can do it. Masquerading as a GAA member won’t work though. You actually have to be a paid up member of a club. Feel free to update us.

Update you? How? Want to call up and say that to my face?

Is this the GAAboard version of asking someone outside?
Don't really give a f**k big lad, you can post your updates here or I'll watch to see if your GAA club submits a motion for consideration. (Assuming you're a member of a club)

My club has bigger issues to contend with at AGM, we arent fielding minors in either code at the moment. I would love to pass a motion giving clubs more autonomy over what happens, like Croker and county grounds have, but I have to get in line behind all the no confidence/who paid the settlement questions.

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Re: Another PR disaster
« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2019, 01:55:11 PM »

My club has bigger issues to contend with at AGM, we arent fielding minors in either code at the moment. I would love to pass a motion giving clubs more autonomy over what happens, like Croker and county grounds have, but I have to get in line behind all the no confidence/who paid the settlement questions.

Newsflash: club meetings are usually able to accommodate more than one discussion topic and each year's Congress handles dozens of proposed rule changes.

The idea that there is some sort of queue is a fiction.

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Re: Another PR disaster
« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2019, 01:56:37 PM »
Soccerprick at it again.
Time we all utilised the ignore thingy.
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Re: Another PR disaster
« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2019, 02:20:02 PM »
wait, the pitch in question isn't owned by the GAA?
the GAA club lease it.

well then, that puts a different slant on things

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Re: Another PR disaster
« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2019, 02:43:23 PM »
wait, the pitch in question isn't owned by the GAA?
the GAA club lease it.

well then, that puts a different slant on things

Does it? Don't think it makes one iota of difference.

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Re: Another PR disaster
« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2019, 02:54:03 PM »
wait, the pitch in question isn't owned by the GAA?
the GAA club lease it.

well then, that puts a different slant on things
I assume you mean the land is vested in the Gaa and the club use it in accordance with the rules of the gaa for the purposes of activities in accordance with the rules of the Gaa.

If leased from a third party then the landlord then the land isn't vested in the Gaa?

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« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2019, 03:03:15 PM »
The reporting of this leaves a lot to be desired in terms of clarity.  Lots of knee-jerk reports about foreign sports etc..

From what little I can see there are some pertinent questions:

1) Were county board acting on a specific complaint?
2) Under what rule is the suspension proposed.  My understanding is that Rule 42 and other/foreign sports is not the relevant rule.  It is Rule 6.40 about unauthorized tournaments. 
3) Who actually organized the tournament, a charity committee or club itself
4) Had organizers their own committee, insurance etc.
5) Were the club turned down on some application to county board and on what grounds?
6) Who owns the grounds?
7) Is this a regular soccer ground?  A quick look on google map streetview shows soccer goal posts on one of the pitches

That's just a start but I guess facts don't compare to emotive articles about foreign sports, bigots and charities not supported.

/Jim.


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Re: Another PR disaster
« Reply #68 on: April 25, 2019, 03:56:57 PM »
I used to be indecisive but now I'm not too sure.

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Re: Another PR disaster
« Reply #69 on: April 25, 2019, 04:46:09 PM »
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0425/1045595-whoever-reported-it-id-like-them-to-see-how-i-live/

This might provide some answers..

The GAA club lease it from the Parish it seems, so I'd say the GAA don't own it per say and to rule on an unofficial tournament was a bit nonsensical.

""I know a lot of people are saying soccer was played, there was a mixture of two sports played that day"

Whoever took it upon themselves to complain about that really needs to have a good hard look at themselves.

I'm sure Croke Park will assist Donegal CCC on how to reverse out of this one.

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Re: Another PR disaster
« Reply #70 on: April 25, 2019, 04:52:12 PM »
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0425/1045595-whoever-reported-it-id-like-them-to-see-how-i-live/

This might provide some answers..

The GAA club lease it from the Parish it seems, so I'd say the GAA don't own it per say and to rule on an unofficial tournament was a bit nonsensical.

""I know a lot of people are saying soccer was played, there was a mixture of two sports played that day"

Whoever took it upon themselves to complain about that really needs to have a good hard look at themselves.

I'm sure Croke Park will assist Donegal CCC on how to reverse out of this one.

I know I’m a cynical sort. But I’d expect everyone from the town has been well briefed on how to describe the event to the press; so as to mitigate the severity of their rule-breaking. I’m half expecting one local to claim it was actually a hybrid sport in celebration of the styles used in the very first GAA match.

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Can GAA HQ really brush this one off?

I think not.

Charity or not. It’s a rule broken and would leave them no leg to stand on in future.

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Re: Another PR disaster
« Reply #71 on: April 25, 2019, 04:55:05 PM »
A lot of people round the country raised a lot of money to pay for the facilities we see in gaa clubs up and down the country. Other sports are free to do the same for their own grounds - all would benefit from grant/lottery matching. Why should gaa members have to put up with other sports using the facilities they put the work into? The charity argument is the red herring.

Yet the GAA are happy to use other sports facilities when it suits them... Anti Finnegsns gsme for example.

The charity argument  is fundamental. Whats more importsnt. Being a cornerstone of the community and raising funfs fir a GAA man or giving soccer a slap they didnt even notice?

I don't agree (obviously). Charity is often used as a reason not to have to abide by usual standards, in this case and many others. Its nothing to do with giving soccer a slap. Were this not for charity, would anyone have an issue? Yet, from a practical point of view (the only way rules can be set and enforced), what difference what its for?

Also, still not getting why a GAA man would want a soccer tournament. And I didn't see any relevant points in his interview.

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Re: Another PR disaster
« Reply #72 on: April 25, 2019, 05:00:37 PM »
So from my reading of things - is the "soccer" elelment being used to sensationalise things? It seems to me the answer to that is yes. The proposed sanction seems to me to be absolutely nothing to do with soccer being played.

I just read rule 6.40. It's pretty clear what is required under the rule and the penalties are set out at the end. if a club was refused permission, surely it was a questionable decision to proceed?

My only question and I suspect the way out of this is - was this a "tournament" or was it some other type of communinty/charity event. If the club didn't host it and it was a fundraising committee it seems it is the latter though is seems the club applied for permission for the former.


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Re: Another PR disaster
« Reply #73 on: April 25, 2019, 05:03:47 PM »
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0425/1045595-whoever-reported-it-id-like-them-to-see-how-i-live/

This might provide some answers..

The GAA club lease it from the Parish it seems, so I'd say the GAA don't own it per say and to rule on an unofficial tournament was a bit nonsensical.

""I know a lot of people are saying soccer was played, there was a mixture of two sports played that day"

Whoever took it upon themselves to complain about that really needs to have a good hard look at themselves.

I'm sure Croke Park will assist Donegal CCC on how to reverse out of this one.

I know I’m a cynical sort. But I’d expect everyone from the town has been well briefed on how to describe the event to the press; so as to mitigate the severity of their rule-breaking. I’m half expecting one local to claim it was actually a hybrid sport in celebration of the styles used in the very first GAA match.

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Can GAA HQ really brush this one off?

I think not.

Charity or not. It’s a rule broken and would leave them no leg to stand on in future.
They played soccer on a soccer pitch which just happened to be on the same grounds as the gaelic pitch and used the facilities to make sandwiches etc.

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.9996961,-7.5167662,3a,75y,296.81h,86.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKHxBzWqL7w8Az506OnYB9Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I hate the rules are rules mentality.
If you want something, you have to work for it. Now quiet they're about to announce the lottery no's

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Re: Another PR disaster
« Reply #74 on: April 25, 2019, 05:21:27 PM »
so it wasn't played on a pitch owned by the GAA?

are community, non GAA events banned from GAA grounds?
eg community field days?