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Re: Elections North and South
« Reply #150 on: May 05, 2019, 10:41:51 PM »
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Re: Elections North and South
« Reply #151 on: May 05, 2019, 10:42:20 PM »
The true colours of alliance neutrality would come if there was a border poll they claim to be remainers so would they campaign to stay in eu as part of an all ireland?

Some Alliance members would vote for the Union. Some would vote for UI. Likewise some voters will vote for the Union and some for UI. It will confuse only the simplest of minds

In the same way that some SF and SDLP members and voters will vote for a UI and some will not even though both parties have policies to have a UI.

Same as FF and FG voters down here even though both espouse the unity of Ireland somewhere in their officialdom.
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Re: Elections North and South
« Reply #152 on: May 05, 2019, 10:54:13 PM »
The true colours of alliance neutrality would come if there was a border poll they claim to be remainers so would they campaign to stay in eu as part of an all ireland?

Some Alliance members would vote for the Union. Some would vote for UI. Likewise some voters will vote for the Union and some for UI. It will confuse only the simplest of minds
Spare us the sanctimony. It doesn’t help you.

Sanctimony? I merely react to the “true colours” comment and this idiocy that it is constitutional position first and good governance and the people second

And then look at Charlietully’s post. You see what we are up against?

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Re: Elections North and South
« Reply #153 on: May 05, 2019, 11:00:45 PM »
Yes. Sanctimony has been dripping off every one of your posts.

People will vote as they like, regardless of what you reckon to be “the only way a sane person would vote”.


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« Reply #154 on: May 05, 2019, 11:12:24 PM »
Yes. Sanctimony has been dripping off every one of your posts.

People will vote as they like, regardless of what you reckon to be “the only way a sane person would vote”.

Well said Hard Station.

People won't be lectured.  This carry on is putting me off giving Alliance a preference in Euros.

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Re: Elections North and South
« Reply #155 on: May 06, 2019, 06:07:55 PM »
Yes. Sanctimony has been dripping off every one of your posts.

People will vote as they like, regardless of what you reckon to be “the only way a sane person would vote”.

Well said Hard Station.

People won't be lectured.  This carry on is putting me off giving Alliance a preference in Euros.

People will vote as they see fit. Nothing wrong with a discussion forum exploring the reasons for voting in a particular way.

Marty’s claim that my posts would make him not transfer to Alliance is, well humorous in the extreme.

I find it extremely difficult to get SF representatives to address certain key points. On this forum it’s extremely difficult to get certain posters to engage truthfully on the same points.

Say for example Marty’s claim that Martina Anderson was an excellent representative and his subsequent evasion of the point. The point that Anderson’s articulacy cannot be tested against Long’s because Anderson is an MEP and Long isn’t is staggering in its stupidity. Calling out that stupidity is not sanctimony on my part.

On another thread I challenged the false notion (peddled by SF) that a UI would be a unitary state with no power sharing in NI. Throw that one in and some posters flee. Again very similar to the official SF tactic.

Ask for evidence of SF’s record of delivery in government? All goes quiet.

Why does everything have to be viewed through SF vs DUP and which one backs down to the others demands first? We don’t have to have either party if the electorate move on from them. Let’s get on with it. We aren’t getting anything from hanging around waiting on them to grow up.

And then we have Marty’s classic- make up something that I didn’t say and then dismiss it as “waffle”. Have you ever seen anything as stupid??

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Re: Elections North and South
« Reply #156 on: May 06, 2019, 09:15:52 PM »
Naomi Long in with a shot now of the 3rd MEP seat.  I’d love to see the Council election votes broken down by age.  Wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of first time voters went for Alliance, Greens etc because the old bitter divisions isn’t how they want to live their lives.  Wake up call for SF - took a stance on rights - fair play, but they need to figure this one out quickly.  In many ways the DUP are the millstone round their neck, just a zero sum.  But the new talks gives them a chance to get something moving again.

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« Reply #157 on: May 06, 2019, 09:26:41 PM »
I think that election gives a glimmer of hope for south Belfast too in terms of assembly elections.No way should a duper be in in south Belfast. Sf are never going to get it and sdlp  have gone to the dogs so at least alliance may claw it away.

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« Reply #158 on: May 06, 2019, 10:49:38 PM »
I think that election gives a glimmer of hope for south Belfast too in terms of assembly elections.No way should a duper be in in south Belfast. Sf are never going to get it and sdlp  have gone to the dogs so at least alliance may claw it away.

Westminster you mean? Claire Hannah if chosen would be a much better option than Paula Bradshaw. The Alliance party are ok but let's not get carried away with them. When Anna Lo went solo just before the last euro elections about UI and NI being a colony a number in the party shat themselves and were not too pleased a rather wishy-washy statement from Forde and Long followed and they felt the need to point out that they were pro status quo.

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Re: Elections North and South
« Reply #159 on: May 06, 2019, 11:03:51 PM »

Michelle O’Neill
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Spoke with Karen Bradey this a’noon regarding City Deal for Derry & Strabane. This is much needed investment in the northwest and alongside investment in other projects such as the Ulster University including the medical school are vital to building a strong & vibrant community.

What could possibly have brought Derry to Michelle's attention I wonder?  :P

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« Reply #160 on: May 07, 2019, 06:50:26 AM »

Michelle O’Neill
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Spoke with Karen Bradey this a’noon regarding City Deal for Derry & Strabane. This is much needed investment in the northwest and alongside investment in other projects such as the Ulster University including the medical school are vital to building a strong & vibrant community.

What could possibly have brought Derry to Michelle's attention I wonder?  :P
And Colum Eastwood:
Been speaking to the British government over the last couple of days to ensure a City Deal is delivered for Derry. Really important that the investment is big enough to make a difference. Magee needs to be expanded. We also need match funding from Stormont. We need a government.

Both statements within 12 hrs of Karen Bradley announcing Derry’s city deal...coincidence??

I wonder how much Strabane will see of it.

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« Reply #161 on: May 07, 2019, 08:32:03 AM »
A good slice of it....Daniel McCrossan will deliver.

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Re: Elections North and South
« Reply #162 on: May 07, 2019, 12:39:25 PM »
I think that election gives a glimmer of hope for south Belfast too in terms of assembly elections.No way should a duper be in in south Belfast. Sf are never going to get it and sdlp  have gone to the dogs so at least alliance may claw it away.

Westminster you mean? Claire Hannah if chosen would be a much better option than Paula Bradshaw. The Alliance party are ok but let's not get carried away with them. When Anna Lo went solo just before the last euro elections about UI and NI being a colony a number in the party shat themselves and were not too pleased a rather wishy-washy statement from Forde and Long followed and they felt the need to point out that they were pro status quo.

Agree with you on Hanna vs Bradshaw. Though that point could be made for Hanna vs anyone.

On Alliance I would make 2 points.

Firstly Alliance are not aligned to Unionism or Nationalism today. Party members are free to choose
Secondly and far more importantly to assess Alliance on whether it is Unionist or Nationalist is to completely miss the point. The old story that you cannot be an atheist in NI, you have to be a Catholic Atheist or a Protestant Atheist springs to mind

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Re: Elections North and South
« Reply #163 on: May 07, 2019, 01:03:44 PM »
Will this city deal be like everything else where SF & DUP dish it all out to their mates and family members ?

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« Reply #164 on: May 07, 2019, 01:33:20 PM »
Will this city deal be like everything else where SF & DUP dish it all out to their mates and family members ?

Genuine question. Are we being unfair here. NI is in the middle of a major change management program, that will last up to 50 / 75 years. One part of this change process is to ensure that impacted / target groups are brought along with the change in order to prevent them rejected the change.

The appropriate question is not one of funnelling monies to their mates, but rather how successful are Sinn Fein and the DUP in bringing impacted communities along the change management journey?

Additionally,  how well are both groups investing monies to enable that journey?

The larger community might not appreciate this activity, but if money is being invested to ensure the PP lasts, should both parties be criticised for managing the process.