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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2019, 08:12:07 PM »
Cork let Divisional and College teams play in their SFC and SHC too.

That's incorrect is it not? There's a divisional championship in cork but they dont compete in the club champ do they?
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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2019, 08:30:49 PM »
They do.
Imokilly is an area of East(ish) Cork who won Co Hurling last year beating  Midleton a senior club from the same district in the Final.
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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2019, 08:32:00 PM »
Cork let Divisional and College teams play in their SFC and SHC too.

That's incorrect is it not? There's a divisional championship in cork but they dont compete in the club champ do they?
There are 9 divisions within Cork GAA and most of them enter teams in the county SFC or SHC (Beara don't in hurling and 1/2 others skip the football). Imokilly won the last two hurling titles and the runners up have proceeded to Munster as a result.



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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2019, 09:17:17 PM »
Cork let Divisional and College teams play in their SFC and SHC too.

That's incorrect is it not? There's a divisional championship in cork but they dont compete in the club champ do they?

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Cork County Championship - Football

Overview

The Cork County Championship is a double elimination tournament. Each team is afforded two defeats before being eliminated from the championship, except the losers of Round 1 in the Divisional/Colleges section. Pairings for matches are drawn at random and there is no seeding.

Each match is played as a single leg. If a match is drawn there is a period of extra time, however, if both sides are still level at the end of extra time a replay takes place and so on until a winner is found.

Format

Divisional and College section

Round 1: Eight teams contest this round. The four winning teams advance to Round 2. The four losing teams are eliminated from the championship.

Round 2: Four teams contest this round. The two winning teams advance to Round 3 of the championship proper. The two losing teams are eliminated from the championship.

Club section

Preliminary round: 2 teams contest this round. The winning team advances to Round 1. The losing team advances to Round 2.

Round 1: 18 teams contest this round. The nine losing teams advance to Round 2. The nine winning teams advance to Round 3.

Round 2: The nine losing teams from Round 1 and the losing team from the preliminary round contest this round. The five winning teams advance to Round 3. The five losing teams are eliminated from the championship.

Round 3: The nine winning teams from Round 1, the five winning teams from Round 2, and the 2 divisional teams contest this round. The eight winning teams advance to the Quarter-finals. The eight losing teams are eliminated from the championship.

Quarter-finals: 8 teams contest this round. The 4 winning teams advance to the Semi-finals. The 4 losing teams are eliminated from the championship.

Semi-finals: 4 teams contest this round. The 2 winning teams advance to the Semi-finals. The 2 losing teams are eliminated from the championship.

Final: The final is contested by the two semi-final winners.
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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2019, 09:55:45 PM »
What sort of preparation do Divisional sides put in? Are there issues freeing up the players from their clubs and the clubs preparation for the junior on intermediate championships?

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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2019, 10:00:29 AM »
Just to add to the confusion in Kerry and Cork there are divisional sides with the same names as club sides i.e. Kenmare, Carbery, St. Brendan's.

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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2019, 01:19:16 PM »
Just to add to the confusion in Kerry and Cork there are divisional sides with the same names as club sides i.e. Kenmare, Carbery, St. Brendan's.

There is a club team Carbery Rangers - no club called Carbery.

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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2019, 08:53:39 AM »
And I believe Kenmare Shamrocks is the club, Kenmare is the divisional side?

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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2019, 01:13:46 PM »
Giving smaller communities or teams with lesser ability the chance to take on similar teams from across the country.

Except they don't. See above.


Except they do. Every year. For example, of the last 10 winners of Derry's Intermediate or Junior Championship I don't think there's been one 'big' club or one of overly superior ability that I can think of.


Not every relegated team always wins the next year either.

Quite, but most of those who do win are previously relegated teams. There are some farcical examples and only a few kicks of a ball stopped Cavan Gaels from making a total arse of it altogether, although it wouldn't have been their fault.
So you scrap an entire championship because Cavan Gaels nearly got relegated one year?

Did Cavan Gaels not win their Relegation Playoff by 30+ points?

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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2019, 01:20:27 PM »
Needless to say we can quite accurately predict that Na Gaeil will be the Kerry, Munster and All Ireland Junior Club Champs in 2019.

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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2019, 02:25:14 PM »
Did Cavan Gaels not win their Relegation Playoff by 30+ points?

No

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Cavan_Senior_Football_Championship#Relegation_Final

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Relegation Final
The 2 winners of the Relegation Round 1 play each other. The winner retains their Senior status for 2017 while the loser will be relegated to the 2017 I.F.C.

15 October 2016
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Relegation Final
Cavan Gaels   0-13 - 1-4   Ballyhaise
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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2019, 02:28:22 PM »
Needless to say we can quite accurately predict that Na Gaeil will be the Kerry, Munster and All Ireland Junior Club Champs in 2019.

I'm sure you meant 2020 for the All Ireland.

A few years ago Carbery Rangers won the All Ireland Intermediate before they won the Cork Intermediate. The lost the Cork final to Nemo's second team, who could not go forward to Munster. Carbery Rangers then won Munster, All Ireland, and finally the Cork championship 12 months after losing to Nemo.

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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2019, 11:08:07 AM »
It’s a joke of a system. Should be 3 leagues split evenly, league position reflects grade at championship. Intermediate grade teams competing in junior championships.... ::)

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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2019, 12:38:43 PM »
When you go beyond the county championship, the whole system is unfair.

No offence here, just generalising. But say Waterford’s top senior team, they might be rated the same level as a Kerry Junior or Intermediate team. So Croke’s win Kerry, and play the equivalent of a Kerry Junior team in Munster.

Having said that, senior club AI c’ship is probably the fairest. Because the best in each county play the best from other counties. Once you go down to Intermediate and Junior, those teams are only rated like that compared to the standard of the rest of that county. For a county like Cork/Kerry with lots of clubs, who might have 16 senior clubs in the c’ship, there could be another 16 that are better than a lot of clubs in Munster. So a Intermediate Kerry team might be better than most other Munster county’s senior champions (Hence the Kilcummin debate)
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Re: Kerry Championship system
« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2019, 08:21:48 PM »
When you go beyond the county championship, the whole system is unfair.

No offence here, just generalising. But say Waterford’s top senior team, they might be rated the same level as a Kerry Junior or Intermediate team. So Croke’s win Kerry, and play the equivalent of a Kerry Junior team in Munster.

Having said that, senior club AI c’ship is probably the fairest. Because the best in each county play the best from other counties. Once you go down to Intermediate and Junior, those teams are only rated like that compared to the standard of the rest of that county. For a county like Cork/Kerry with lots of clubs, who might have 16 senior clubs in the c’ship, there could be another 16 that are better than a lot of clubs in Munster. So a Intermediate Kerry team might be better than most other Munster county’s senior champions (Hence the Kilcummin debate)

Think it's more the amount of senior teams that is the problem. Only 8 in Kerry where many similar sized counties might have 16, 18 or even 20 senior teams like we had in Galway up to last year. Less senior teams you have the more quality teams you have in intermediate and junior which is a significant part of the reason why Kerry clean up at those grades.