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Re: NFL Division 1 2019 Dubs again?
« Reply #585 on: February 11, 2019, 09:55:40 AM »
League results are so hard to forecast,it is impossible to gauge a teams true worth.All teams are at different stages of training,I for one was not expecting a result against Monaghan who had beaten the dubs who thrashed galway.the rossi's on the other hand go out and beat Monaghan and were dissapointed with a draw against Tyrone.The dubs are hurting,they will probably still go on to contest the final with kerry or mayo.

It's a big if but, if Mayo beat Dublin in a two weeks time the Dubs won't be contesting another league final, Mayo will have 8 points and the head to head. Kerry already have the head to head over them.

With respect to Galway, not a huge lot to say about the match in Inniskeen yesterday apart from the fact that it's a massive win in the context of staying up in Division One, even just picking up another win should be enough to stay up given that Tyrone, Cavan and Monaghan all have to play each other still plus Cavan and Tyrone have yet to play Dublin who will be improving their performance a bit as the league goes on.

First twenty minutes it was as bad a Galway start to a match as I can remember, loose on the Monaghan players despite flooding the defence, lazy tackling technique giving handy frees away, poor usage of the wind (although Monaghan suffered from the same affliction in the second period), bad shot selection/execution (the missed goal chances were horror shows), hard to pick out anything positive. Got going a bit towards the end of the half with Shane Walsh becoming influential but to be honest I thought I'd be able to leave early in the second half as I couldn't see anything but a Monaghan win with the advantage of the elements to come.
Credit to Galway in that they upped it significantly in the second half but really it was a tough ground out win, the goal was obviously the crucial score in the match. Tom Flynn was immense down the stretch and played well in general, Duane and Sean Kelly (unreal engine on the lad) had effective games, Walsh was obviously a cut above the other players when he got going. Cunningham gets himself into great positions but he isn't there yet by any means with his overall finishing, could (probably should to be honest) have scored a goal in every league game so far, in mitigation he was clearly fouled in the first half yesterday when going through on goal but still.

A lot of criticism being heaped on Galway, some justified, but entertainment value is certainly not a metric that would bother me in early February. There is plenty of work to be done but (with all due respect to Sligo and London we are at nothing if we can't win those two championship matches) this year it's all about retaining Division One status while getting the squad and team primed for the 16th of June and hopefully deep into July and August.
For all the hyperbole about the match Saturday night, and it was a great game to watch, it's just a Round 3 match in February, I don't buy the "laying down a marker for the year" narrative for a second, Kerry have done that a few times in recent league campaigns against Dublin only to be well short come the summer. The way Galway are playing right now won't beat Dublin and KW will have to come up with something at least a bit different or it'll be groundhog day if we can get far enough to play Dublin again but rehearsed lines about "football purgatory" or lamenting Galway a la Eamonn Sweeney this morning at this time of year is daft.

It would be remiss not to comment on the super facilities that are in place in Inniskeen, especially for what seems a small enough club, it's a credit to the locals. No hassle to get in/out of and the pitch was in immaculate condition for this time of year as well.
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Re: NFL Division 1 2019 Dubs again?
« Reply #586 on: February 11, 2019, 10:21:10 AM »
League results are so hard to forecast,it is impossible to gauge a teams true worth.All teams are at different stages of training,I for one was not expecting a result against Monaghan who had beaten the dubs who thrashed galway.the rossi's on the other hand go out and beat Monaghan and were dissapointed with a draw against Tyrone.The dubs are hurting,they will probably still go on to contest the final with kerry or mayo.

It's a big if but, if Mayo beat Dublin in a two weeks time the Dubs won't be contesting another league final, Mayo will have 8 points and the head to head. Kerry already have the head to head over them.

With respect to Galway, not a huge lot to say about the match in Inniskeen yesterday apart from the fact that it's a massive win in the context of staying up in Division One, even just picking up another win should be enough to stay up given that Tyrone, Cavan and Monaghan all have to play each other still plus Cavan and Tyrone have yet to play Dublin who will be improving their performance a bit as the league goes on.

First twenty minutes it was as bad a Galway start to a match as I can remember, loose on the Monaghan players despite flooding the defence, lazy tackling technique giving handy frees away, poor usage of the wind (although Monaghan suffered from the same affliction in the second period), bad shot selection/execution (the missed goal chances were horror shows), hard to pick out anything positive. Got going a bit towards the end of the half with Shane Walsh becoming influential but to be honest I thought I'd be able to leave early in the second half as I couldn't see anything but a Monaghan win with the advantage of the elements to come.
Credit to Galway in that they upped it significantly in the second half but really it was a tough ground out win, the goal was obviously the crucial score in the match. Tom Flynn was immense down the stretch and played well in general, Duane and Sean Kelly (unreal engine on the lad) had effective games, Walsh was obviously a cut above the other players when he got going. Cunningham gets himself into great positions but he isn't there yet by any means with his overall finishing, could (probably should to be honest) have scored a goal in every league game so far, in mitigation he was clearly fouled in the first half yesterday when going through on goal but still.

A lot of criticism being heaped on Galway, some justified, but entertainment value is certainly not a metric that would bother me in early February. There is plenty of work to be done but (with all due respect to Sligo and London we are at nothing if we can't win those two championship matches) this year it's all about retaining Division One status while getting the squad and team primed for the 16th of June and hopefully deep into July and August.
For all the hyperbole about the match Saturday night, and it was a great game to watch, it's just a Round 3 match in February, I don't buy the "laying down a marker for the year" narrative for a second, Kerry have done that a few times in recent league campaigns against Dublin only to be well short come the summer. The way Galway are playing right now won't beat Dublin and KW will have to come up with something at least a bit different or it'll be groundhog day if we can get far enough to play Dublin again but rehearsed lines about "football purgatory" or lamenting Galway a la Eamonn Sweeney this morning at this time of year is daft.

It would be remiss not to comment on the super facilities that are in place in Inniskeen, especially for what seems a small enough club, it's a credit to the locals. No hassle to get in/out of and the pitch was in immaculate condition for this time of year as well.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/both-teams-play-better-into-the-wind-as-galway-beat-monaghan-1.3788828

Walsh, pleased to have got the trauma of the previous weekís cuffing in Croke Park out of their system, was frank when asked afterwards about the concept of a teamís duty to entertain.
ďWith the amount of work that goes into this now, people are pushing the rules to the limits to the areas where you can take it to - Iím not talking about physicality here, Iím talking about the rules. Thatís life, if the opinion is that you just want to entertain then thatís fine too but you have to try and get results
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Re: NFL Division 1 2019 Dubs again?
« Reply #587 on: February 11, 2019, 10:32:49 AM »
Dubs playing it very cute in the 5 in a row attempt. Lose a few league matches optionally so no need to bother with a league final. Leave a few crumbs for striving Kerry or rebuilding Mayo, god love them. Put the media off the trail in April/May

An easy run through Leinster without breaking sweat and 3 super 8 matches to fine tune the machine
And then see if anyone has closed the gap.
It's nonsense to say we're not trying in the league.

We're without Cluxton and Kilkenny and they are two key players (although Clifford just as important for Kerry, they were missing Moran for most of the game too, and JOD could even struggle to get back into the team!)

But every Dub there was doing his absolute best as they know it's key to retaining their place come championship. It's nonsense to say we're less interested in the league than previous years just because we're going for the 5 in a row.

We beat Galway comfortably (they play too defensive to cause up trouble) and it took really good performances from Kerry and Monaghan to beat us.
There was been some commentary that we lost to Kerry because they are ahead of us in fitness. I don't know enough to say whether that's true or not, but in the last 10 minutes with us down to 14, we were the ones that finished the strongest.

Kerry did look stronger and more athletic than in previous years. Their style reminded me of Mayo. Their defence looked much improved, and their scoretaking was a bit scary! As usual, Dubs look shaky defending a high ball. Dublin's star forwards Mannion, Con and Costello all had flashes of brilliance, but were inconsistent.

Looking forward to Mayo now, and seeing what they're like this year in the flesh. If we beat them, and Kerry beat them, then we should be able to make it to a league final and give Kerry another go. But if Mayo beat us, then we are literally in a relegation battle! Although hard to see Cavan or Tyrone taking points off us.

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The Dubs don't care about this league. 2 losses out of 3 says it all.
The relentless focus is on the 5 in a row

All the muppets who backed the machine at 4/7 in early January will get hosed.   
Tyrone have also been undercooked 

D1 Odds via Oddschecker
19.1

Dubs           4/7
Kerry          7/1
Tyrone        8/1
Mayo       10/1
Galway        12/1
Monaghan    16/1
Ros             50/1
Cavan          100/1

10/2

Kerry 7/4
Dubs 9/4
Mayo 11/4
Galway 8/1
Monaghan 40/1
Tyrone 50/1
Ros     66/1
Cavan 500/1
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Re: NFL Division 1 2019 Dubs again?
« Reply #588 on: February 11, 2019, 11:28:40 AM »
Good man seafoid. Clueless as always.
Dubs don't want a distraction of a league final so deliberately lost to Kerry. Threw Flynn and Macauley on to make sure we wouldnt come back. Accidentally clawed it back to level, but gave them a handy point to win it, and Fento blazed the last one wide rather than try to work it into an easier position, just to make sure Kerry took all 2 points.

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« Reply #589 on: February 11, 2019, 11:49:28 AM »
Most probably (with any degree of certainity) only the addition of Cluxton to the line up would have swung that game Dublin's way. Though Dublin did finish strong, Kerry held them up and had something extra left in the tank in the final minutes.

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« Reply #590 on: February 11, 2019, 11:54:30 AM »
Good man seafoid. Clueless as always.
Dubs don't want a distraction of a league final so deliberately lost to Kerry. Threw Flynn and Macauley on to make sure we wouldnt come back. Accidentally clawed it back to level, but gave them a handy point to win it, and Fento blazed the last one wide rather than try to work it into an easier position, just to make sure Kerry took all 2 points.

The Dubs are at least 5 or 6 points better than Kerry when they can be arsed, Hound
They don't care  about the league.
Flynn and Macauley get a bit of game time but the result is irrelevant. 

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Kerry 6/1

Fento blazing one wide wouldn't account for the gap , would it  ?
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Re: NFL Division 1 2019 Dubs again?
« Reply #591 on: February 11, 2019, 01:53:37 PM »
Mayo are 7/2 v the Dubs the next day
Nice price if the Dubs don't turn up again
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« Reply #592 on: February 11, 2019, 02:03:29 PM »
Dubs are back at their home ground again - SORRY not their home ground. Their rented home, that's located in the same county and within view of their home ground.

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« Reply #593 on: February 11, 2019, 02:08:29 PM »
Do the Dubs have to pay rent to use CP?

Somehow I imagine there's a virtual red carpet laid from their training ground to CP.

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« Reply #594 on: February 11, 2019, 02:32:49 PM »
Mayo are 7/2 v the Dubs the next day
Nice price if the Dubs don't turn up again

A very nice price. Apart from Dublin no other side has performed consistently well in Croke park like Mayo have over the last number of years. Horan will likely pick his strongest and most experienced team for this game as he will know a win will likely stop Dublin from reaching the final which would give Mayo a much better chance to win a first national title for 18 years.

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« Reply #595 on: February 11, 2019, 02:47:18 PM »
Mayo are 7/2 v the Dubs the next day
Nice price if the Dubs don't turn up again

A very nice price. Apart from Dublin no other side has performed consistently well in Croke park like Mayo have over the last number of years. Horan will likely pick his strongest and most experienced team for this game as he will know a win will likely stop Dublin from reaching the final which would give Mayo a much better chance to win a first national title for 18 years.

Mayo have not beaten Dublin in League and Championship since 2012. That's nearly 7 years.

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« Reply #596 on: February 11, 2019, 02:53:39 PM »
Mayo are 7/2 v the Dubs the next day
Nice price if the Dubs don't turn up again

A very nice price. Apart from Dublin no other side has performed consistently well in Croke park like Mayo have over the last number of years. Horan will likely pick his strongest and most experienced team for this game as he will know a win will likely stop Dublin from reaching the final which would give Mayo a much better chance to win a first national title for 18 years.

Mayo have not beaten Dublin in League and Championship since 2012. That's nearly 7 years.
It depends which Dubs turn up really, doesn't it? It may be the non contact Dubs where Fento misses in the last minute

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« Reply #597 on: February 11, 2019, 02:59:03 PM »
Mayo are 7/2 v the Dubs the next day
Nice price if the Dubs don't turn up again

A very nice price. Apart from Dublin no other side has performed consistently well in Croke park like Mayo have over the last number of years. Horan will likely pick his strongest and most experienced team for this game as he will know a win will likely stop Dublin from reaching the final which would give Mayo a much better chance to win a first national title for 18 years.

Mayo have not beaten Dublin in League and Championship since 2012. That's nearly 7 years.

Would that be case if James Horan had remained manager all this time? Horan has beaten Dublin in both league and championship.

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« Reply #598 on: February 11, 2019, 08:23:49 PM »
Yes that would be the case , Dublin were that little bit better than us , possibly had them in 16 if bastick had of been pulled for the clear off the ground pick up with the hands , it was a free in to win the all Ireland ,cillian had just scored a screamer to level it from about 40yrds out , absolute shoe in to score from a 21 free.  Anyway them days are past now . So I don't believe Horan would of made any difference ,to answer your question.
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« Reply #599 on: February 11, 2019, 09:08:30 PM »
Yes that would be the case , Dublin were that little bit better than us , possibly had them in 16 if bastick had of been pulled for the clear off the ground pick up with the hands , it was a free in to win the all Ireland ,cillian had just scored a screamer to level it from about 40yrds out , absolute shoe in to score from a 21 free.  Anyway them days are past now . So I don't believe Horan would of made any difference ,to answer your question.

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