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Muslim gangs abusing children in England
« on: October 30, 2018, 03:54:15 PM »
Are we more concerned with political correctness than crime?
There have been many reports in recent weeks and months of gangs of muslim men in towns throughout england systematically grooming and abusing children. The one reported yesterday on the BBC news website was particularly harrowing: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-45980210?fbclid=IwAR35-lJKh3vVLAhq0N7O9gEU4Vx8ZqHd0ZkMzgdC3CB2gO8YO78WTvdgbfQ 

This is an account from one of the survivors: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-a8261831.html

And an article from Forbes.com on the widespread abuse in Rotherham: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/#4a2095c0754a

Here are some more wiki references of other abuse rings if you care to read them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_child_sex_abuse_ring


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_child_sex_abuse_ring


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_child_sex_abuse_ring


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_child_sex_abuse_ring


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huddersfield_child_sex_abuse_ring


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huddersfield_child_sex_abuse_ring


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_sex_abuse_ring


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

I would point to the survivors comments of the rhetoric at the time of the abuse, the men's attitude towards white people and their religious outlook.
At the risk of being called rascist or anti-muslim, the media and the public at large are not addressing the problem or the fundamentalist beliefs of the perpetrators which the survivors say is their motivation for the abuse.....
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Re: Muslim gangs abusing children in England
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2018, 04:21:43 PM »
Are we more concerned with political correctness than crime?
There have been many reports in recent weeks and months of gangs of muslim men in towns throughout england systematically grooming and abusing children. The one reported yesterday on the BBC news website was particularly harrowing: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-45980210?fbclid=IwAR35-lJKh3vVLAhq0N7O9gEU4Vx8ZqHd0ZkMzgdC3CB2gO8YO78WTvdgbfQ 

This is an account from one of the survivors: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-a8261831.html

And an article from Forbes.com on the widespread abuse in Rotherham: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/#4a2095c0754a

Here are some more wiki references of other abuse rings if you care to read them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_child_sex_abuse_ring


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_child_sex_abuse_ring


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_child_sex_abuse_ring


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_child_sex_abuse_ring


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huddersfield_child_sex_abuse_ring


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huddersfield_child_sex_abuse_ring


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_sex_abuse_ring


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

I would point to the survivors comments of the rhetoric at the time of the abuse, the men's attitude At the risk of being called rascist or anti-muslim, the media and the public at large are not addressing the problem or the fundamentalist beliefs of the perpetrators which the survivors say is their motivation for the abuse.....

Really? I decided to check your statement in bold and, just starting at the top of this page, I found lots of reports from the media. Here are a few you can't have missed:

There have been many reports in recent weeks and months of gangs of muslim men in towns throughout england systematically grooming and abusing children. The one reported yesterday on the BBC news website was particularly harrowing: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-45980210?fbclid=IwAR35-lJKh3vVLAhq0N7O9gEU4Vx8ZqHd0ZkMzgdC3CB2gO8YO78WTvdgbfQ 

This is an account from one of the survivors: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-a8261831.html

And an article from Forbes.com on the widespread abuse in Rotherham: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/#4a2095c0754a
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Re: Muslim gangs abusing children in England
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2018, 04:36:28 PM »
Hardy if you read the BBC reports you'll find they rarely if ever mention the men are Muslim. They'll report that they are Asian. But that's as far as they will go.  Why?

A lot of people don't like the Indo - but they report on the fact that these gangs are made up of fundamentalist muslim men.

I posted the Indo's account and the Forbes account to highlight the other side who are actually speaking up.  Unfortunately the mainstream media like the BBC are not calling out the fact these men are muslim men and their religious beliefs in many cases are driving their behavior....
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Re: Muslim gangs abusing children in England
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2018, 05:35:18 PM »
I didn't know Islam said you have to sexually abuse children.
Sexually abuse of children is wrong .  Full Stop.
Whether it be by Muslims, Hindus,  Catholic priests, sports coaches, BBC people etc etc.
On the latter what religion was Jimmy Saville and why would it be important to say it?
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Re: Muslim gangs abusing children in England
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2018, 05:48:56 PM »
Is the religion of white men involved in paedophile or sex abuse rings always mentioned?

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Re: Muslim gangs abusing children in England
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2018, 07:04:53 PM »
Is the religion of white men involved in paedophile or sex abuse rings always mentioned?
If someone is using religion to justify their actions then their religion should be mentioned.  Taken from the article:
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“Muslim girls are good and pure because they dress modestly, covering down to their ankles and wrists, and covering their crotch area. They stay virgins until marriage. They are our girls.

"White girls and non-Muslim girls are bad because you dress like slags. You show the curves of your bodies (showing the gap between your thighs means you’re asking for it) and therefore you’re immoral. White girls sleep with hundreds of men. You are the other girls. You are worthless and you deserve to be gang-raped.”
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2018, 07:29:43 PM »
You think there’s not enough outrage about the fact that these criminals are Muslim? Is that it?
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Re: Muslim gangs abusing children in England
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2018, 07:58:14 PM »
You think there’s not enough outrage about the fact that these criminals are Muslim? Is that it?
No, I think because they're muslim, a lot people are afraid of being politically incorrect, racist or otherwise and aren't talking about the links between fundamentalism and the abuse
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Re: Muslim gangs abusing children in England
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2018, 08:06:55 PM »
Correct me if I've got the wrong end if the stick but I think a member of  your organisation is in no place to be throwing stones.
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Re: Muslim gangs abusing children in England
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2018, 09:42:14 PM »
Correct me if I've got the wrong end if the stick but I think a member of  your organisation is in no place to be throwing stones.
you're going down a very slippery road with that comment.....but good job on addressing the actual post
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Re: Muslim gangs abusing children in England
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2018, 12:04:37 AM »
Islam is a stupid religion, much like Christianity.

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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2018, 02:45:31 AM »
Curious topic and a curious thread title. I don't think it's a stretch to say you may have an agenda in the choice of words. Lord knows you've endured your own battles regarding the stout Catholicism to which you are aligned.

Many points on this - and I wouldn't claim to have an answer at all.

We are living in an ever expanding, ever multicultural world. These cultural mixes encompass societal, religious, economic, moral, and ethnic variations from what we consider to be the culture we grew up in. I.E. White, multi classed, western Europe values. Even within the culture we grew up in there were vast differences in behavior acceptances and norms which spanned geography and economic classes. However for the most part, right was right and wrong was wrong - particularly in regards to serious crime.

I'm as left as they come for the most part (beyond the nonsensical) but it certainly appears that many of these recent reports have a cultural identity different to that of which I align as the perpetrators of these grooming and abuse circles. That doesn't align with Islam for me however no more so than our "Catholicism" correlates to sectarianism against our protestant neighbors.

There are obviously a plethora of reasons that rape is still prevalent in many cultures (South Africa, India are two country identities which have some serious challenges to over come in their current rape culture - and many of the rapes in India are carried out in Hindu predominant areas against muslim children)

You have a long way to go to isolate this against Islam. Perhaps looking at the entire make up of the cultural differences may be a more honest conversation

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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2018, 09:13:09 AM »
Curious topic and a curious thread title. I don't think it's a stretch to say you may have an agenda in the choice of words. Lord knows you've endured your own battles regarding the stout Catholicism to which you are aligned.

Many points on this - and I wouldn't claim to have an answer at all.

We are living in an ever expanding, ever multicultural world. These cultural mixes encompass societal, religious, economic, moral, and ethnic variations from what we consider to be the culture we grew up in. I.E. White, multi classed, western Europe values. Even within the culture we grew up in there were vast differences in behavior acceptances and norms which spanned geography and economic classes. However for the most part, right was right and wrong was wrong - particularly in regards to serious crime.

I'm as left as they come for the most part (beyond the nonsensical) but it certainly appears that many of these recent reports have a cultural identity different to that of which I align as the perpetrators of these grooming and abuse circles. That doesn't align with Islam for me however no more so than our "Catholicism" correlates to sectarianism against our protestant neighbors.

There are obviously a plethora of reasons that rape is still prevalent in many cultures (South Africa, India are two country identities which have some serious challenges to over come in their current rape culture - and many of the rapes in India are carried out in Hindu predominant areas against muslim children)

You have a long way to go to isolate this against Islam. Perhaps looking at the entire make up of the cultural differences may be a more honest conversation

Great post. I'd agree that it's the culture as opposed to the religion that is to blame.

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Re: Muslim gangs abusing children in England
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2018, 09:27:20 AM »
Christian gangs abusing children in Ireland

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/tuam-home-s-infant-mortality-rates-like-those-of-1700s-1.3676053

Taxpayers end up footing the bill any time the church gets involved in abuse.
But at least the rapists are not Muslim. Better the predator you know
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Re: Muslim gangs abusing children in England
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2018, 09:50:09 AM »
So why weren’t they just referred to as a Pakistani gang

I would expect a traveller gang in the UK  to be referred to as an Irish gang (rather than a Catholic gang)