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Re: Ruth Dudley Edwards: a brain to be reckoned with
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2019, 05:23:47 PM »
RDE

THE Conor Cruise of the 21st century

And as far as I recall, while he tried to cuddle up to them the unionists of the day jettisoned him out of their sheer bigotry.

30 years ago


unbelievable.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/margaret-thatcher-s-ag-woke-from-surgery-screaming-we-must-kill-ian-paisley-1.3737029

Gow told the diplomat that he had no “spark of hope” that he could get any of the unionist leaders to “show any courage or leadership”.
“They are all awful,” he said.

Now they are even worse

Which is great, for every time the mediocre provincial solicitor (and apparently only victim of the Troubles) opens her mouth, the Irish people move closer to getting their whole country back.

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Re: Ruth Dudley Edwards: a brain to be reckoned with
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2019, 07:47:30 PM »
Jude Collins, a man who things Patsy Gillespie deserved to be strapped to his own van, forced to drive to an army checkpoint while his family were held at gunpoint and then blown up.

Jude Collins is a nasty human being who will not be missed.

He didn't say that.

Yes he did.

If you are going to quote someone at least quote what they actually said - https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/patsy-gillespies-widow-tells-of-pain-over-bomb-tweet-37402599.html

Mr Collins posted on his Twitter account that "like so many others from the conflict years, his death was horrible and shocking".

"However, unlike many others, Patsy chose to do work for the 'security' forces, even after the IRA had warned that made them targets," he added.

You are saying he thinks he deserved it - where in his actual quote does he say he thinks he deserved it?
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Re: Ruth Dudley Edwards: a brain to be reckoned with
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2019, 09:25:55 AM »
Jude Collins, a man who things Patsy Gillespie deserved to be strapped to his own van, forced to drive to an army checkpoint while his family were held at gunpoint and then blown up.

Jude Collins is a nasty human being who will not be missed.

He didn't say that.

Yes he did.

If you are going to quote someone at least quote what they actually said - https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/patsy-gillespies-widow-tells-of-pain-over-bomb-tweet-37402599.html

Mr Collins posted on his Twitter account that "like so many others from the conflict years, his death was horrible and shocking".

"However, unlike many others, Patsy chose to do work for the 'security' forces, even after the IRA had warned that made them targets," he added.

You are saying he thinks he deserved it - where in his actual quote does he say he thinks he deserved it?

Language is a powerful tool. Given this prefix "However, unlike many others" I take from that, that he believes he deserved it. Otherwise, why say that?

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Re: Ruth Dudley Edwards: a brain to be reckoned with
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2019, 09:38:36 AM »
This thread is embarrassing.

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Re: Ruth Dudley Edwards: a brain to be reckoned with
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2019, 09:45:03 AM »
Jude Collins, a man who things Patsy Gillespie deserved to be strapped to his own van, forced to drive to an army checkpoint while his family were held at gunpoint and then blown up.

Jude Collins is a nasty human being who will not be missed.

He didn't say that.

Yes he did.

If you are going to quote someone at least quote what they actually said - https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/patsy-gillespies-widow-tells-of-pain-over-bomb-tweet-37402599.html

Mr Collins posted on his Twitter account that "like so many others from the conflict years, his death was horrible and shocking".

"However, unlike many others, Patsy chose to do work for the 'security' forces, even after the IRA had warned that made them targets," he added.

You are saying he thinks he deserved it - where in his actual quote does he say he thinks he deserved it?

Language is a powerful tool. Given this prefix "However, unlike many others" I take from that, that he believes he deserved it. Otherwise, why say that?

So you take a direct quote and decide what someone means?  What about his other quote then..his death was horrible and shocking?
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Re: Ruth Dudley Edwards: a brain to be reckoned with
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2019, 09:53:18 AM »
Jude Collins, a man who things Patsy Gillespie deserved to be strapped to his own van, forced to drive to an army checkpoint while his family were held at gunpoint and then blown up.

Jude Collins is a nasty human being who will not be missed.

He didn't say that.

Yes he did.

If you are going to quote someone at least quote what they actually said - https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/patsy-gillespies-widow-tells-of-pain-over-bomb-tweet-37402599.html

Mr Collins posted on his Twitter account that "like so many others from the conflict years, his death was horrible and shocking".

"However, unlike many others, Patsy chose to do work for the 'security' forces, even after the IRA had warned that made them targets," he added.

You are saying he thinks he deserved it - where in his actual quote does he say he thinks he deserved it?

Language is a powerful tool. Given this prefix "However, unlike many others" I take from that, that he believes he deserved it. Otherwise, why say that?

So you take a direct quote and decide what someone means?  What about his other quote then..his death was horrible and shocking?

It was horrible and shocking??
To get this straight, people say or write something, and I am not allowed to interpret what it means? Is that what you are saying? You do understand how communication and language works?

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Re: Ruth Dudley Edwards: a brain to be reckoned with
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2019, 09:59:24 AM »
Jude Collins, a man who things Patsy Gillespie deserved to be strapped to his own van, forced to drive to an army checkpoint while his family were held at gunpoint and then blown up.

Jude Collins is a nasty human being who will not be missed.

He didn't say that.

Yes he did.

If you are going to quote someone at least quote what they actually said - https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/patsy-gillespies-widow-tells-of-pain-over-bomb-tweet-37402599.html

Mr Collins posted on his Twitter account that "like so many others from the conflict years, his death was horrible and shocking".

"However, unlike many others, Patsy chose to do work for the 'security' forces, even after the IRA had warned that made them targets," he added.

You are saying he thinks he deserved it - where in his actual quote does he say he thinks he deserved it?

Language is a powerful tool. Given this prefix "However, unlike many others" I take from that, that he believes he deserved it. Otherwise, why say that?

So you take a direct quote and decide what someone means?  What about his other quote then..his death was horrible and shocking?

It was horrible and shocking??
To get this straight, people say or write something, and I am not allowed to interpret what it means? Is that what you are saying? You do understand how communication and language works?

I'll rephrase you take a direct quote and said he said something else..you should clarify your original post to say..I interpreted a quote of his and in my opinion he insinuates that Patsy deserved it.

Did the IRA say working for security forces made you a target..yes.  Did many people decide that was a risk..yes.  so was Pasty unlike many others yes.  Does that mean he deserved it..No.  I think you need to whip out the Oxford dictionary/thesarus and look up each word in that quote.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2019, 10:17:27 AM by Frank_The_Tank »
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Re: Ruth Dudley Edwards: a brain to be reckoned with
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2019, 10:47:09 AM »
Jude Collins, a man who things Patsy Gillespie deserved to be strapped to his own van, forced to drive to an army checkpoint while his family were held at gunpoint and then blown up.

Jude Collins is a nasty human being who will not be missed.

He didn't say that.

Yes he did.

If you are going to quote someone at least quote what they actually said - https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/patsy-gillespies-widow-tells-of-pain-over-bomb-tweet-37402599.html

Mr Collins posted on his Twitter account that "like so many others from the conflict years, his death was horrible and shocking".

"However, unlike many others, Patsy chose to do work for the 'security' forces, even after the IRA had warned that made them targets," he added.

You are saying he thinks he deserved it - where in his actual quote does he say he thinks he deserved it?

Language is a powerful tool. Given this prefix "However, unlike many others" I take from that, that he believes he deserved it. Otherwise, why say that?

So you take a direct quote and decide what someone means?  What about his other quote then..his death was horrible and shocking?

It was horrible and shocking??
To get this straight, people say or write something, and I am not allowed to interpret what it means? Is that what you are saying? You do understand how communication and language works?

I'll rephrase you take a direct quote and said he said something else..you should clarify your original post to say..I interpreted a quote of his and in my opinion he insinuates that Patsy deserved it.

Did the IRA say working for security forces made you a target..yes.  Did many people decide that was a risk..yes.  so was Pasty unlike many others yes.  Does that mean he deserved it..No.  I think you need to whip out the Oxford dictionary/thesarus and look up each word in that quote.

I love the way you just think it's normal everyday conversation just to coolly talk about the murder of a Husband and Father. Jude often just comments ever so matter of fact about one of the most grotesque murders of the troubles. Jude knew what he was doing. His tweet was aimed at causing maximum suffering and pain on the family. Sometimes I think I'm in an episode of the Brady bunch. Imagine defending Jude Collins.

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Re: Ruth Dudley Edwards: a brain to be reckoned with
« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2019, 12:05:58 PM »
Jude Collins, a man who things Patsy Gillespie deserved to be strapped to his own van, forced to drive to an army checkpoint while his family were held at gunpoint and then blown up.

Jude Collins is a nasty human being who will not be missed.

He didn't say that.

Yes he did.

If you are going to quote someone at least quote what they actually said - https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/patsy-gillespies-widow-tells-of-pain-over-bomb-tweet-37402599.html

Mr Collins posted on his Twitter account that "like so many others from the conflict years, his death was horrible and shocking".

"However, unlike many others, Patsy chose to do work for the 'security' forces, even after the IRA had warned that made them targets," he added.

You are saying he thinks he deserved it - where in his actual quote does he say he thinks he deserved it?

Language is a powerful tool. Given this prefix "However, unlike many others" I take from that, that he believes he deserved it. Otherwise, why say that?

So you take a direct quote and decide what someone means?  What about his other quote then..his death was horrible and shocking?

It was horrible and shocking??
To get this straight, people say or write something, and I am not allowed to interpret what it means? Is that what you are saying? You do understand how communication and language works?

I'll rephrase you take a direct quote and said he said something else..you should clarify your original post to say..I interpreted a quote of his and in my opinion he insinuates that Patsy deserved it.

Did the IRA say working for security forces made you a target..yes.  Did many people decide that was a risk..yes.  so was Pasty unlike many others yes.  Does that mean he deserved it..No.  I think you need to whip out the Oxford dictionary/thesarus and look up each word in that quote.

I love the way you just think it's normal everyday conversation just to coolly talk about the murder of a Husband and Father. Jude often just comments ever so matter of fact about one of the most grotesque murders of the troubles. Jude knew what he was doing. His tweet was aimed at causing maximum suffering and pain on the family. Sometimes I think I'm in an episode of the Brady bunch. Imagine defending Jude Collins.
 

I'm not defending him.  I think his comments r.e..the omagh bomb and Mary tracers were both grotesque.  However I will also call someome out spouting lies about what someone did or did not say if they aren't going to clarify in the original post what the quote was and what their interpretation of it was which you are very much entitled too.  But for others you should at least use the direct quote rather than blindly saying he did say that.
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Re: Ruth Dudley Edwards: a brain to be reckoned with
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2019, 01:18:06 PM »
Thought it a very poor article. Just a lot of innuendo, and going for the person and not even trying to go for the ball. There is plenty to show her up for. Jude the only one shown up by that article
« Last Edit: January 04, 2019, 02:07:45 PM by Stall the Bailer »

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Re: Ruth Dudley Edwards: a brain to be reckoned with
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2019, 12:02:44 AM »
Ruth is the person who wrote article after article viciously attacking  film director Ken Loach and the film the Wind that Shakes the Barley.
It turned out that she hadn't even viewed the film  ;D
 Hard to credit that someone so academically corrupt and vacuous gets a platform on national newspapers.

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Re: Ruth Dudley Edwards: a brain to be reckoned with
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2019, 01:31:13 PM »
Ruth is the person who wrote article after article viciously attacking  film director Ken Loach and the film the Wind that Shakes the Barley.
It turned out that she hadn't even viewed the film  ;D
 Hard to credit that someone so academically corrupt and vacuous gets a platform on national newspapers.

This is it. She is trying to be controversial for the sake of it, like thon other idiot katie Hopkins. At the heart of it all, i'd wager she doesnt even believe half the tripe she writes.