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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #375 on: January 09, 2019, 10:16:52 AM »
Telling that the rule most complain about is the anti throwball one.

True, The person who came up with it should be shot with a ball of their own sh!te.
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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #376 on: January 09, 2019, 10:25:23 AM »
Telling that the rule most complain about is the anti throwball one.

And maybe that's because from 99% of people who've seen these in action say the game as a spectacle is far worse because of this rule. Some people think handpasssing is the problem and anything no matter how bad will be better and that handpasssing is only a product of the major problem and not the problem itself

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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #377 on: January 09, 2019, 11:31:27 AM »
Maybe kicking the ball is the problem so and needs to be fully eradicated 😀.
Anyway none of the trial rules do anything to restore the contests for possession that makes hurling such an exciting spectacle.
Maybe if "marks" had to be an overhead catch instead of a kick to a lads chest?
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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #378 on: January 09, 2019, 11:39:57 AM »
Maybe kicking the ball is the problem so and needs to be fully eradicated 😀.
Anyway none of the trial rules do anything to restore the contests for possession that makes hurling such an exciting spectacle.
Maybe if "marks" had to be an overhead catch instead of a kick to a lads chest?

could you crouch, kneel, or even lay down on your back (head tilted up like your 15% into a sit up) with hands up over your head ?

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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #379 on: January 09, 2019, 12:08:17 PM »
Not every manager is shouting against trying the new rules..

https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/294047

Limerick football manager Billy Lee believes the proposed rule changes “deserve a chance”.

While most other managers seem to be slamming the latest collection of experimental rules, Lee offered some support following his side’s McGrath Cup semi-final defeat to Cork:

“I think they are worth looking at. I know a lot of people are anti these experimental rules, but it depends on the style of football your team play. If you play a running game, you are going to be against them,” he told The Irish Examiner.

“Against Cork, we didn’t see any black cards. The kick-out is only being taken seven metres further out and how many sideline kicks would you normally have in a game? The three-handpass rule, I’ve no problem with that.

“These rules deserve a chance. At least we are trying to improve the quality of the product. Every manager is going to worry about his own county and that’s absolutely right. I haven’t heard the referees giving out about anything and yet I see a lot of people talking about referees. Let’s see how the rules unfold over a period of time.”

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*except those that agree with the new rules

No thats not the point, the point is that maybe not all managers are against them. I still don't think it should be their decision as they have a vested interest.

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« Reply #380 on: January 09, 2019, 12:25:56 PM »
Why is it in other sports there isnt anywhere near this much resistance to rule change. I remember when soccer changed the offside rule (not interfering with play), one which was a huge change in the game there was no where near this amount of complaining. What is it with GAA that means every change is resisted and constant negatives thrown out instead of just getting on with it?

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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #381 on: January 09, 2019, 12:36:04 PM »
Maybe kicking the ball is the problem so and needs to be fully eradicated 😀.
Anyway none of the trial rules do anything to restore the contests for possession that makes hurling such an exciting spectacle.
Maybe if "marks" had to be an overhead catch instead of a kick to a lads chest?

could you crouch, kneel, or even lay down on your back (head tilted up like your 15% into a sit up) with hands up over your head ?
???
When I was younger I could jump and catch a high ball over me headeen.
Mind you I couldn't do much with it after that ;D
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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #382 on: January 09, 2019, 01:13:01 PM »
Why is it in other sports there isnt anywhere near this much resistance to rule change. I remember when soccer changed the offside rule (not interfering with play), one which was a huge change in the game there was no where near this amount of complaining. What is it with GAA that means every change is resisted and constant negatives thrown out instead of just getting on with it?

Because they take a sensible approach. They know what they're doing. In the GAA they are bowing to media pressure, media types who only goal is to enhance their profile and do not have any interest in the betterment of the game. The hand pass rule being a good example of this ill thought out attempt at attempting to placate the media mob. 

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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #383 on: January 09, 2019, 01:26:39 PM »
I’m thinking it might worth the GAA’s while creating an endowment scheme with one of our leading football universities.

In return for say €100k per annum, the university would host 6-8 evenings during the winter, where players would be briefed and drilled in potential rule changes, then play full games with one or more potential rule changes implemented, then players and coaches and assessors would complete research pieces about their feelings afterwards.

Each rule trial would enjoy its own short paper which ultimately outlines if the rule change would be considered a) unwelcome and unsuccessful, b) unwelcome but successful, c) welcome but unsuccessful, d) welcome and successful.

Anything in category a) is then ruled out for at least 3 years. Anything in category b) would need to improve to either c) or a d) within 2 further trials, or face a similar fate.


And no longer our county game the guinea pig.

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« Reply #384 on: January 09, 2019, 01:51:31 PM »
Why is it in other sports there isnt anywhere near this much resistance to rule change. I remember when soccer changed the offside rule (not interfering with play), one which was a huge change in the game there was no where near this amount of complaining. What is it with GAA that means every change is resisted and constant negatives thrown out instead of just getting on with it?

Because they take a sensible approach. They know what they're doing. In the GAA they are bowing to media pressure, media types who only goal is to enhance their profile and do not have any interest in the betterment of the game. The hand pass rule being a good example of this ill thought out attempt at attempting to placate the media mob.

And you know that do you?

Have you ever said a positive thing in your life trailer, I dont recall reading one on here.

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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #385 on: January 09, 2019, 02:47:26 PM »
Not every manager is shouting against trying the new rules..

https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/294047

Limerick football manager Billy Lee believes the proposed rule changes “deserve a chance”.

While most other managers seem to be slamming the latest collection of experimental rules, Lee offered some support following his side’s McGrath Cup semi-final defeat to Cork:

“I think they are worth looking at. I know a lot of people are anti these experimental rules, but it depends on the style of football your team play. If you play a running game, you are going to be against them,” he told The Irish Examiner.

“Against Cork, we didn’t see any black cards. The kick-out is only being taken seven metres further out and how many sideline kicks would you normally have in a game? The three-handpass rule, I’ve no problem with that.

“These rules deserve a chance. At least we are trying to improve the quality of the product. Every manager is going to worry about his own county and that’s absolutely right. I haven’t heard the referees giving out about anything and yet I see a lot of people talking about referees. Let’s see how the rules unfold over a period of time.”

Managers opinions shouldn't be considered*


*except those that agree with the new rules

No thats not the point, the point is that maybe not all managers are against them. I still don't think it should be their decision as they have a vested interest.

Surely we all have a vested interest in our sport?

To just discount managers opinions is completely ridiculous.
Certainly they have to be balanced alongside players / supporters etc, but they have a valuable input to give.
They will be the ones devising game plans to fully exploit or nullify the effects of any rule change so their views are key in getting something workable
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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #386 on: January 09, 2019, 03:30:01 PM »
Not every manager is shouting against trying the new rules..

https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/294047

Limerick football manager Billy Lee believes the proposed rule changes “deserve a chance”.

While most other managers seem to be slamming the latest collection of experimental rules, Lee offered some support following his side’s McGrath Cup semi-final defeat to Cork:

“I think they are worth looking at. I know a lot of people are anti these experimental rules, but it depends on the style of football your team play. If you play a running game, you are going to be against them,” he told The Irish Examiner.

“Against Cork, we didn’t see any black cards. The kick-out is only being taken seven metres further out and how many sideline kicks would you normally have in a game? The three-handpass rule, I’ve no problem with that.

“These rules deserve a chance. At least we are trying to improve the quality of the product. Every manager is going to worry about his own county and that’s absolutely right. I haven’t heard the referees giving out about anything and yet I see a lot of people talking about referees. Let’s see how the rules unfold over a period of time.”

Managers opinions shouldn't be considered*


*except those that agree with the new rules

No thats not the point, the point is that maybe not all managers are against them. I still don't think it should be their decision as they have a vested interest.

Surely we all have a vested interest in our sport?

To just discount managers opinions is completely ridiculous.
Certainly they have to be balanced alongside players / supporters etc, but they have a valuable input to give.
They will be the ones devising game plans to fully exploit or nullify the effects of any rule change so their views are key in getting something workable

I am not getting paid for results in the GAA while managers are. The majority of them are concerned that the new rules will put their game plans back and are not overly concerned with the state of the game for the supporter. Thats what I think and god help me Martin Brehony agrees with me...

Beware of the propaganda war
We are being openly bombarded by claims that limiting the handpass to three as part of the experimental rules is reducing goal chances.

Tales of flowing moves taking players into goal-scoring areas, only to be thwarted by not being allowed a fourth or fifth handpass are being peddled so loudly that those of a suspicious disposition might get the whiff of collusion.

After all, if the new rules can be portrayed as evil goal-killers, it will greatly strengthen the case for those who want them scrapped before the start of the Allianz League.

Hopefully, the transparent stunt will be seen for what it really is: an attempt to spark a panic reaction based on a small number of games with below-strength teams.

If the handpass experiment is to be meaningful, it must be retained for the 116-match league programme, after which a fully informed  analysis of its impact can be made. This is no time to bow to managers and their vested interests.

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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #387 on: January 09, 2019, 03:47:51 PM »
Not every manager is shouting against trying the new rules..

https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/294047

Limerick football manager Billy Lee believes the proposed rule changes “deserve a chance”.

While most other managers seem to be slamming the latest collection of experimental rules, Lee offered some support following his side’s McGrath Cup semi-final defeat to Cork:

“I think they are worth looking at. I know a lot of people are anti these experimental rules, but it depends on the style of football your team play. If you play a running game, you are going to be against them,” he told The Irish Examiner.

“Against Cork, we didn’t see any black cards. The kick-out is only being taken seven metres further out and how many sideline kicks would you normally have in a game? The three-handpass rule, I’ve no problem with that.

“These rules deserve a chance. At least we are trying to improve the quality of the product. Every manager is going to worry about his own county and that’s absolutely right. I haven’t heard the referees giving out about anything and yet I see a lot of people talking about referees. Let’s see how the rules unfold over a period of time.”

Managers opinions shouldn't be considered*


*except those that agree with the new rules

No thats not the point, the point is that maybe not all managers are against them. I still don't think it should be their decision as they have a vested interest.

Surely we all have a vested interest in our sport?

To just discount managers opinions is completely ridiculous.
Certainly they have to be balanced alongside players / supporters etc, but they have a valuable input to give.
They will be the ones devising game plans to fully exploit or nullify the effects of any rule change so their views are key in getting something workable

I am not getting paid for results in the GAA while managers are. The majority of them are concerned that the new rules will put their game plans back and are not overly concerned with the state of the game for the supporter. Thats what I think and god help me Martin Brehony agrees with me...

Beware of the propaganda war
We are being openly bombarded by claims that limiting the handpass to three as part of the experimental rules is reducing goal chances.

Tales of flowing moves taking players into goal-scoring areas, only to be thwarted by not being allowed a fourth or fifth handpass are being peddled so loudly that those of a suspicious disposition might get the whiff of collusion.

After all, if the new rules can be portrayed as evil goal-killers, it will greatly strengthen the case for those who want them scrapped before the start of the Allianz League.

Hopefully, the transparent stunt will be seen for what it really is: an attempt to spark a panic reaction based on a small number of games with below-strength teams.

If the handpass experiment is to be meaningful, it must be retained for the 116-match league programme, after which a fully informed  analysis of its impact can be made. This is no time to bow to managers and their vested interests.

Eh?! The media, propaganda, inter county managers ! The bit in bold, it's the ordinary everyday supporter on here making up his or her mind on what they have seen to date, you know thinking for themselves. The 3 handpass rule is a complete an utter hames. There is not a hope in hell of it being retained for the league.

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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #388 on: January 09, 2019, 05:04:02 PM »
Why is it in other sports there isnt anywhere near this much resistance to rule change. I remember when soccer changed the offside rule (not interfering with play), one which was a huge change in the game there was no where near this amount of complaining. What is it with GAA that means every change is resisted and constant negatives thrown out instead of just getting on with it?

Because they take a sensible approach. They know what they're doing. In the GAA they are bowing to media pressure, media types who only goal is to enhance their profile and do not have any interest in the betterment of the game. The hand pass rule being a good example of this ill thought out attempt at attempting to placate the media mob.

And you know that do you?

Have you ever said a positive thing in your life trailer, I dont recall reading one on here.

I'm positive that anyone who thinks these rules are a good idea is the f**king anti christ.

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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #389 on: January 09, 2019, 05:56:31 PM »
Not every manager is shouting against trying the new rules..

https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/294047

Limerick football manager Billy Lee believes the proposed rule changes “deserve a chance”.

While most other managers seem to be slamming the latest collection of experimental rules, Lee offered some support following his side’s McGrath Cup semi-final defeat to Cork:

“I think they are worth looking at. I know a lot of people are anti these experimental rules, but it depends on the style of football your team play. If you play a running game, you are going to be against them,” he told The Irish Examiner.

“Against Cork, we didn’t see any black cards. The kick-out is only being taken seven metres further out and how many sideline kicks would you normally have in a game? The three-handpass rule, I’ve no problem with that.

“These rules deserve a chance. At least we are trying to improve the quality of the product. Every manager is going to worry about his own county and that’s absolutely right. I haven’t heard the referees giving out about anything and yet I see a lot of people talking about referees. Let’s see how the rules unfold over a period of time.”

Managers opinions shouldn't be considered*


*except those that agree with the new rules

No thats not the point, the point is that maybe not all managers are against them. I still don't think it should be their decision as they have a vested interest.

Surely we all have a vested interest in our sport?

To just discount managers opinions is completely ridiculous.
Certainly they have to be balanced alongside players / supporters etc, but they have a valuable input to give.
They will be the ones devising game plans to fully exploit or nullify the effects of any rule change so their views are key in getting something workable

I am not getting paid for results in the GAA while managers are. The majority of them are concerned that the new rules will put their game plans back and are not overly concerned with the state of the game for the supporter. Thats what I think and god help me Martin Brehony agrees with me...

Beware of the propaganda war
We are being openly bombarded by claims that limiting the handpass to three as part of the experimental rules is reducing goal chances.

Tales of flowing moves taking players into goal-scoring areas, only to be thwarted by not being allowed a fourth or fifth handpass are being peddled so loudly that those of a suspicious disposition might get the whiff of collusion.

After all, if the new rules can be portrayed as evil goal-killers, it will greatly strengthen the case for those who want them scrapped before the start of the Allianz League.

Hopefully, the transparent stunt will be seen for what it really is: an attempt to spark a panic reaction based on a small number of games with below-strength teams.

If the handpass experiment is to be meaningful, it must be retained for the 116-match league programme, after which a fully informed  analysis of its impact can be made. This is no time to bow to managers and their vested interests.

Eh?! The media, propaganda, inter county managers ! The bit in bold, it's the ordinary everyday supporter on here making up his or her mind on what they have seen to date, you know thinking for themselves. The 3 handpass rule is a complete an utter hames. There is not a hope in hell of it being retained for the league.

we hope thats the case, the way things are going i wouldnt be surprised