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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #135 on: November 09, 2018, 06:24:45 PM »
Ironically the best change they could make would be to tier the Championship. The weaker teams play these keep ball systems in order to frustrate the more talented teams. But that would be too much sense. Better to make players kick the ball and if they don't kick it we'll take the ball off them and let the other team kick it back to them until someone kicks it over the bar.

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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #137 on: November 13, 2018, 12:17:55 PM »
Thats an improvement

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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #138 on: November 13, 2018, 12:31:06 PM »
Ironically the best change they could make would be to tier the Championship. The weaker teams play these keep ball systems in order to frustrate the more talented teams. But that would be too much sense. Better to make players kick the ball and if they don't kick it we'll take the ball off them and let the other team kick it back to them until someone kicks it over the bar.

Trailer, as a proponent of Tiering can you think of any negatives that may arise from a tiered championship?

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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #139 on: November 13, 2018, 12:33:04 PM »
Leitrim won't win the All Ireland?
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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #140 on: November 13, 2018, 01:12:20 PM »
Ironically the best change they could make would be to tier the Championship. The weaker teams play these keep ball systems in order to frustrate the more talented teams. But that would be too much sense. Better to make players kick the ball and if they don't kick it we'll take the ball off them and let the other team kick it back to them until someone kicks it over the bar.

Trailer, as a proponent of Tiering can you think of any negatives that may arise from a tiered championship?

I can think of no downside.

Teams get to compete at their level.
Opportunity for more teams to realistically win something.
More competitive, better quality games.
Teams will take the field with a view to beating their opponents rather than an attitude of avoiding a tanking. Resulting in more positive play.
More regular games.
More meaningful games.
If done right, a condensed county season should also come out of an overall fixtures plan that will benefit club and county player alike.


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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #141 on: November 13, 2018, 01:41:57 PM »
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/1113/1010564-sin-bin-only-for-black-card-under-rejigged-rules/

So letís say an influential player like Conor McManus or Michael Murphy gets sin binned. If Rory Beggan takes 5 minutes tying his lace or A Donegal player lies down for 5 minutes, do those wasted 5 minutes count as part of the 10 minutes for the sin binned players?

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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #142 on: November 13, 2018, 04:11:39 PM »
Good question.
I rubby ball the Ref is continually stopping the clock so the full playing time is served but in our more fluid game the opportunities for time wasting are many.
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Re: Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football
« Reply #143 on: November 13, 2018, 05:51:57 PM »
How many watches will a referee need in a club game if he black cards more than one player and he has no 4th official to assist??

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Ironically the best change they could make would be to tier the Championship. The weaker teams play these keep ball systems in order to frustrate the more talented teams. But that would be too much sense. Better to make players kick the ball and if they don't kick it we'll take the ball off them and let the other team kick it back to them until someone kicks it over the bar.

Trailer, as a proponent of Tiering can you think of any negatives that may arise from a tiered championship?

I can think of no downside.

Teams get to compete at their level.
Opportunity for more teams to realistically win something.
More competitive, better quality games.
Teams will take the field with a view to beating their opponents rather than an attitude of avoiding a tanking. Resulting in more positive play.
More regular games.
More meaningful games.
If done right, a condensed county season should also come out of an overall fixtures plan that will benefit club and county player alike.

In future all threads on this subject, and indeed committees designed to change the rules should be named 'I can think of no downside'.

The above is a great example of something I said in an earlier post. This debate is characterised by great ideas about how to solve all the ills of our sport, usually shamelessly plagiarised from another poster, media outlet, or indeed another sport altogether.

The proposal is usually accompanied by a point blank refusal to contemplate that there dearly held beliefs might have some unintended consequences that don't make the game the magnificent spectacle they had been planning on.

All sport has good and bad games, all sport has periods when there is a level playing field between a number of teams that makes for a great competition, all sport has periods when there are defensive systems in place that make for a dour spectacle, all sport has turgid games.

It appears to me though that Gaelic football has a larger proportion of followers and commentators who are continually self flagellating about the ills of the game and proposing how to fix it than does most other sports, including hurling. And it also appears that this clamour to 'do something' is getting louder and more widespread.

And it also appears that the determination to avoid any contemplation of doing harm to the Association by the constant and unremitting criticism of our games and the demands to make changes is getting more strident also.   

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Back to 21 aside and point posts!
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Back to 21 aside and point posts!

That just typifies the attitude.

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And it also appears that the determination to avoid any contemplation of doing harm to the Association by the constant and unremitting criticism of our games and the demands to make changes is getting more strident also.

Well said.

Beyond obvious that there are too many GAA power-brokers and committees trying to justify their existence by meddling in things they don't fully understand.

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I believe the " offensive mark" now being proposed for inside the 45.
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Ironically the best change they could make would be to tier the Championship. The weaker teams play these keep ball systems in order to frustrate the more talented teams. But that would be too much sense. Better to make players kick the ball and if they don't kick it we'll take the ball off them and let the other team kick it back to them until someone kicks it over the bar.

Trailer, as a proponent of Tiering can you think of any negatives that may arise from a tiered championship?

I can think of no downside.

Teams get to compete at their level.
Opportunity for more teams to realistically win something.
More competitive, better quality games.
Teams will take the field with a view to beating their opponents rather than an attitude of avoiding a tanking. Resulting in more positive play.
More regular games.
More meaningful games.
If done right, a condensed county season should also come out of an overall fixtures plan that will benefit club and county player alike.

In future all threads on this subject, and indeed committees designed to change the rules should be named 'I can think of no downside'.

The above is a great example of something I said in an earlier post. This debate is characterised by great ideas about how to solve all the ills of our sport, usually shamelessly plagiarised from another poster, media outlet, or indeed another sport altogether.

The proposal is usually accompanied by a point blank refusal to contemplate that there dearly held beliefs might have some unintended consequences that don't make the game the magnificent spectacle they had been planning on.

All sport has good and bad games, all sport has periods when there is a level playing field between a number of teams that makes for a great competition, all sport has periods when there are defensive systems in place that make for a dour spectacle, all sport has turgid games.

It appears to me though that Gaelic football has a larger proportion of followers and commentators who are continually self flagellating about the ills of the game and proposing how to fix it than does most other sports, including hurling. And it also appears that this clamour to 'do something' is getting louder and more widespread.

And it also appears that the determination to avoid any contemplation of doing harm to the Association by the constant and unremitting criticism of our games and the demands to make changes is getting more strident also.

The way to go for some is to bring in tiers to the championship, that would end the hammerings then. Make county like the club championship they say.... but at the weekend just gone we had the champions of Cork,Meath and Roscommon hammered out the gate proving that hammerings happen no matter the format or amount of changes that are made.