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Re: Full time professional referees
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2018, 05:41:20 PM »
Believe it, or not, when you're out assessing refereeing performances, you are not permitted to refer to fitness levels in your report, nor to comment on a referee's ability to "keep up with the play".

Wow! Is that not a (massive) part of the problem, right there?

I know that referees must do annual personal fitness tests, etc., but surely their respective abilities to keep up with the play, or not, must be critical aspect of match fitness?

Heís up with play better than the supporter hanging over the fence a further 60 yards from the referee but that guy calls it! You are whatís the problem is..

No need to be so defensive, and what you're saying there is not necessarily true -- if I'm beside the sideline of the ground and the play is on the sideline, and the man-in-the-middle is, erm, in the middle, he's most definitely not better placed -- blind sided and clueless.

So if you are closer to the play and you see it better as you are there, then of course you are closer, that was not in my post!! I said if I'm 60 yards closer to the clampit on the sideline then I should see it better, no? In most of a game, I'll be closer to the play that a supporter who stays in the one place, agree?

You havent addressed my other point on the muppets who think thye know the rules and when questioned on them knew nothing really, a referee has to call that in seconds, he doesnt get to sit down and study a rule book there and then, he gets it wrong sometimes, just like the player who shoots when he should have passed, or teh manager who takes of a player in corner forward when the problem is in midfield

I was referring specifically about how crucial it is, generally, for the referee to be up with the play. Something that's glaringly obvious far too often, the lack of it.

Regarding ignorance of the rules on the sidelines, of course that's a curse. Though worse, is a referee who doesn't apply them with consistency, and again, which is all too prevalent.
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Re: Full time professional referees
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2018, 05:53:47 PM »
Many referees are semi-professional as it is. One could referee a game seven days a week and at least two on Saturdays and Sundays. Clearing the guts of £300 a week tax free. And that's at the very bottom rung of the ladder. Heard a story once about a referee looking £1K for himself and his team to officiate at a colleges' game.

Think you heard wrong, referees get expenses.. they donít get paid to hear someone abuse them for 1 hour and then confront you as you head towards the changing room, they donít get paid to take abuse from players or management.. they donít get paid to then take further abuse from trolls on discussion boards who believe they know the rules better than the referees (at county level the pass mark is very high)

As for the 1k for a team of officials Iíd like to hear more on that? Is that for hotels, dinners and travel expenses? (From Spain) think youíre making that one up to suit your pathetic post
Milltown, this is not an attack on referees or you because I really couldnít care less about the refs getting a few quid but when you say referees donít get paid, they get expenses, that suggests that there is a calculation of how much the referee is out of pocket for refereeing the game. I got a ref for a game and he told me ďthe fee is £30Ē. It was a game played local to him and he was able to do it as he wasnít working. As I say, Iíve no issue with it but is the ďit is expensesĒ just a line to get around paying tax as the ref I got was simply ďpaidĒ £30 to do the game.


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Re: Full time professional referees
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2018, 06:48:46 PM »
Iíve said before Iíll say again. The game at the top level is too quick too big and too professional for one single amateur ref. I donít know if the answer is professional refs or maybe more officials but I do think something needs done.

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Re: Full time professional referees
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2018, 09:54:15 PM »
Many referees are semi-professional as it is. One could referee a game seven days a week and at least two on Saturdays and Sundays. Clearing the guts of £300 a week tax free. And that's at the very bottom rung of the ladder. Heard a story once about a referee looking £1K for himself and his team to officiate at a colleges' game.

Think you heard wrong, referees get expenses.. they donít get paid to hear someone abuse them for 1 hour and then confront you as you head towards the changing room, they donít get paid to take abuse from players or management.. they donít get paid to then take further abuse from trolls on discussion boards who believe they know the rules better than the referees (at county level the pass mark is very high)

As for the 1k for a team of officials Iíd like to hear more on that? Is that for hotels, dinners and travel expenses? (From Spain) think youíre making that one up to suit your pathetic post
Milltown, this is not an attack on referees or you because I really couldnít care less about the refs getting a few quid but when you say referees donít get paid, they get expenses, that suggests that there is a calculation of how much the referee is out of pocket for refereeing the game. I got a ref for a game and he told me ďthe fee is £30Ē. It was a game played local to him and he was able to do it as he wasnít working. As I say, Iíve no issue with it but is the ďit is expensesĒ just a line to get around paying tax as the ref I got was simply ďpaidĒ £30 to do the game.

Thatís up to you, Iíve done challenge games for free, but most cases Iíve ended up with 20 quid, unless itís at Jordanstown itís not local..

If a referee is doing it for money then heís an odd person, IMO

I did refereeing for 2 years and never claimed.. I got into refereeing because of club needed people and I was fed up with referees at the time, wrongfully though
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Re: Full time professional referees
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2018, 10:03:01 PM »
Many referees are semi-professional as it is. One could referee a game seven days a week and at least two on Saturdays and Sundays. Clearing the guts of £300 a week tax free. And that's at the very bottom rung of the ladder. Heard a story once about a referee looking £1K for himself and his team to officiate at a colleges' game.

Think you heard wrong, referees get expenses.. they donít get paid to hear someone abuse them for 1 hour and then confront you as you head towards the changing room, they donít get paid to take abuse from players or management.. they donít get paid to then take further abuse from trolls on discussion boards who believe they know the rules better than the referees (at county level the pass mark is very high)

As for the 1k for a team of officials Iíd like to hear more on that? Is that for hotels, dinners and travel expenses? (From Spain) think youíre making that one up to suit your pathetic post
Milltown, this is not an attack on referees or you because I really couldnít care less about the refs getting a few quid but when you say referees donít get paid, they get expenses, that suggests that there is a calculation of how much the referee is out of pocket for refereeing the game. I got a ref for a game and he told me ďthe fee is £30Ē. It was a game played local to him and he was able to do it as he wasnít working. As I say, Iíve no issue with it but is the ďit is expensesĒ just a line to get around paying tax as the ref I got was simply ďpaidĒ £30 to do the game.

Thatís up to you, Iíve done challenge games for free, but most cases Iíve ended up with 20 quid, unless itís at Jordanstown itís not local..

If a referee is doing it for money then heís an odd person, IMO

I did refereeing for 2 years and never claimed.. I got into refereeing because of club needed people and I was fed up with referees at the time, wrongfully though
Fair enough and Iíd imagine that most (maybe all) refs take it up for the same reasons as you but after a while it could possibly become a money incentive for some, especially if circumstances are bleak. I think Champion could be right that there are refs out there who are effectively semi-professional and making a neat sum each week.


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Re: Full time professional referees
« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2018, 10:19:09 PM »
Well if they are doing that Hardstation then they are doing it for the wrong reasons, Iíd be worried if that was the case then they would be possibly throwing games to gain financially if it was a game that you could place a bet on it!

Champions story of a grand for refereeing is bullshit, Iíve asked him about to explain it, hasnít bothered to get back to me...
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Re: Full time professional referees
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2018, 11:01:06 PM »
Only reason I didn't get back was that your original contribution was not worthy of a reply. Nor is you follow-up, but since you're not going to stop, I'll humour you.

My post was not a criticism of referees. I would have no problem paying £30 or £40 to a competent official and I have found myself in the same position as hardstation outlined re. fees. Nor do I have a problem with competent referees officiating every night of the week from April through to September; in fact I would encourage them to do so. It all adds up nicely.

Regarding the £1K fees, I should have said Ä1K for a ref and four umpires from a famously parsimonious part of the country. There are probably men in your own club who could verify the story.

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Re: Full time professional referees
« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2018, 11:21:40 PM »
When I was refereeing, it was £20 a game, as far as I remember, plus mileage. If I took a team of 4 umpires to a championship game & got them a couple of pints each afterwards, I was out of pocket. So anybody who comes on here & says refs are in it to make money haven't the first idea what they're talking about.

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Re: Full time professional referees
« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2018, 11:26:47 PM »
Many referees are semi-professional as it is. One could referee a game seven days a week and at least two on Saturdays and Sundays. Clearing the guts of £300 a week tax free. And that's at the very bottom rung of the ladder. Heard a story once about a referee looking £1K for himself and his team to officiate at a colleges' game.

Think you heard wrong, referees get expenses.. they donít get paid to hear someone abuse them for 1 hour and then confront you as you head towards the changing room, they donít get paid to take abuse from players or management.. they donít get paid to then take further abuse from trolls on discussion boards who believe they know the rules better than the referees (at county level the pass mark is very high)

As for the 1k for a team of officials Iíd like to hear more on that? Is that for hotels, dinners and travel expenses? (From Spain) think youíre making that one up to suit your pathetic post
Milltown, this is not an attack on referees or you because I really couldnít care less about the refs getting a few quid but when you say referees donít get paid, they get expenses, that suggests that there is a calculation of how much the referee is out of pocket for refereeing the game. I got a ref for a game and he told me ďthe fee is £30Ē. It was a game played local to him and he was able to do it as he wasnít working. As I say, Iíve no issue with it but is the ďit is expensesĒ just a line to get around paying tax as the ref I got was simply ďpaidĒ £30 to do the game.

Thatís up to you, Iíve done challenge games for free, but most cases Iíve ended up with 20 quid, unless itís at Jordanstown itís not local..

If a referee is doing it for money then heís an odd person, IMO

I did refereeing for 2 years and never claimed.. I got into refereeing because of club needed people and I was fed up with referees at the time, wrongfully though

You take the £20?
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Re: Full time professional referees
« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2018, 11:27:06 PM »
Iíve said before Iíll say again. The game at the top level is too quick too big and too professional for one single amateur ref. I donít know if the answer is professional refs or maybe more officials but I do think something needs done.

It's definitely time for two referees in hurling. Milwaukee Hurling Club has used twin referees for years in their pub league. Works no bother. A lot of advantages to it beside the obvious. For one thing, off-the-ball incidents are unheard of because there's always one referee looking in their direction.

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Re: Full time professional referees
« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2018, 11:32:13 PM »
Why wouldn't you take the £20? You need petrol to get you to & from a match ffs. You give up enough of your time to officiate without being out of pocket too.

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Re: Full time professional referees
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2018, 01:03:09 AM »
When I was refereeing, it was £20 a game, as far as I remember, plus mileage. If I took a team of 4 umpires to a championship game & got them a couple of pints each afterwards, I was out of pocket. So anybody who comes on here & says refs are in it to make money haven't the first idea what they're talking about.
You donít make the dough on the official championship games ffs. The school games, challenge matches etc. No umpires. Set your own fee.

It is possible to make a few quid and I would imagine some do. Again, I donít really give a shite that they do.


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Re: Full time professional referees
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2018, 09:59:22 AM »
Sure refs drive big fancy cars full of linesmen.
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« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2018, 10:10:46 AM »
When I was refereeing, it was £20 a game, as far as I remember, plus mileage. If I took a team of 4 umpires to a championship game & got them a couple of pints each afterwards, I was out of pocket. So anybody who comes on here & says refs are in it to make money haven't the first idea what they're talking about.
You donít make the dough on the official championship games ffs. The school games, challenge matches etc. No umpires. Set your own fee.

It is possible to make a few quid and I would imagine some do. Again, I donít really give a shite that they do.

If you were looking to get extra money from another job, being a referee wouldnít be my choice, taking abuse during a game for £20, Iíd rather go to work on a Saturday.. school matches are on during the day, so the person doing them would need a flexible job to allow him..

But in theory a referee could be out doing ladies football camogie juvenile senior in both codes 7 days a week, you donít get paid like a wage, two payments a year, so itís not a weekly income
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Re: Full time professional referees
« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2018, 02:42:50 PM »
The standard of flag waving by umpires is poor. 

In a place the size of Croke Park, the umpires arm should be fully extended!
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