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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #465 on: September 19, 2018, 01:43:28 PM »

People can look at things in different ways. There is no absolute truth here about who is right or wrong because what happened is a matter of personal interpretation.

The truth of the players who left the panel is clearly not the same as Leahy's truth.

What is an objective truth is that the grievances of the players are being casually treated as entirely illegitimate and dismissed out of hand by many people.

What is also an objective truth is that any manager who has 12 players pull out of a panel is failing in his job. The job of a manager is to manage players. Leahy clearly could not manage these players, key players without whom the team was badly weakened. It's staggering that anybody can see this as anything but a failure.

Not if the girls were looking to dictate what was happening within the team. In which case the management team were completely correct to push back and maybe it was something that had to happen in Mayo to break the influence of the Carnacon players (It's been discussed on here regarding some of the issues previous managements have had and the struggle to get anyone to manage the team in the past).  Yes the results of pushing back are not good. But if the management team had rolled over to their demands the result may have been disillusionment by the other girls on the panel of the management team. And the results of that could be equally as poor.  It just may have been a no win situation. I certainly don't look at it and think, well that was the management's fault.

That is what has happened in the past. This has been going on for years.

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #466 on: September 19, 2018, 01:57:48 PM »
They're commenting on things they don't know about because they didn't experience them.

In other words: "I'm alright, Jack".

It's a complete oxymoron. You can't speak for people who have a different experience to you.

(1) If they didn't experience or see anything within the same environment.
(2) If the player liaison officer was never requested, informed or made aware of any issues.
(3) If in mediation, none of the issues were mentioned.

Then they never happened in as far as you can prove a negative and in considering everyone's experiences will differ.


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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #467 on: September 19, 2018, 02:02:32 PM »
Just saw the clip of Cora taking the free-kick in the Connacht final, which she ballooned up in the air after ignoring the protests of the designated free-taker, Sarah Rowe.
If that's not indicative of an unhealthy 'We Know Best' dynamic in the squad, I don't know what is.
Lancing this boil may turn out to have been a necessary evil.
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« Reply #468 on: September 19, 2018, 02:05:16 PM »
If there was a more diverse spread of clubs that the unhappy players were drawn from, I would be looking at this slightly different.
That the majority are from a single club, makes me wonder how many actually 100% wanted to leave and how many felt they had no choice but to leave.
If Cora & Fiona say they're going, and you as a Carnacon player say you want to stay, how would that go down?

Indeed.

You'd wonder just how good the atmosphere is within Carnacon squad never mind Mayo! [Irrespective of success.]
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« Reply #469 on: September 19, 2018, 02:07:14 PM »
write the name "sid wadell" down on a piece of paper

hold the paper up in front of you while looking in a mirror while listening to the three tenors and the name turns into "Cora Staunton"

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #470 on: September 19, 2018, 02:18:38 PM »
They're commenting on things they don't know about because they didn't experience them.

In other words: "I'm alright, Jack".

It's a complete oxymoron. You can't speak for people who have a different experience to you.

(1) If they didn't experience or see anything within the same environment.
(2) If the player liaison officer was never requested, informed or made aware of any issues.
(3) If in mediation, none of the issues were mentioned.

Then they never happened in as far as you can prove a negative and in considering everyone's experiences will differ.


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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #471 on: September 19, 2018, 02:23:55 PM »
Listened to the Ger Gilroy/Cora Staunton interview from a couple of weeks ago - disgraceful stuff from Gilroy


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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #472 on: September 19, 2018, 02:46:52 PM »
Just saw the clip of Cora taking the free-kick in the Connacht final, which she ballooned up in the air after ignoring the protests of the designated free-taker, Sarah Rowe.
If that's not indicative of an unhealthy 'We Know Best' dynamic in the squad, I don't know what is.
Lancing this boil may turn out to have been a necessary evil.
That would kind of be my impression as well. Something that needed to happen to reset the dynamic within the team/ management. I do think that PL may end up falling on his own sword as a result and that a new manager might end up reaping the benefits.
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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #473 on: September 19, 2018, 02:50:21 PM »
write the name "sid wadell" down on a piece of paper

hold the paper up in front of you while looking in a mirror while listening to the three tenors and the name turns into "Cora Staunton"

I take it that you are not very fond of Cora, did she rattle a few goals past you at some stage ?

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #474 on: September 19, 2018, 02:55:57 PM »


It's like dealing with a goldfish.

You forget everything said/pointed out previously and keep on insisting manager must go as part of some personal vendetta. Either that or you choose to completely ignore it . You refuse to accept the behaviour of the Carnacon players was even remotely out of order and the manager is some kind of monster who should be banished from the county never to return. 

Players pressuring teammates to quit a panel clearly only acting in the best interests of Mayo football ::) ::)
What nonsense.

You've been repeating the same lie multiple times and are now claiming fantastical things about my view of Peter Leahy.

The simple reality is that when a manager loses 12 players including nine of the 18 players used in last year's All-Ireland final, from different clubs, and within six months of taking over, he has failed in his job, and should go.


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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #475 on: September 19, 2018, 02:59:04 PM »
write the name "sid wadell" down on a piece of paper

hold the paper up in front of you while looking in a mirror while listening to the three tenors and the name turns into "Cora Staunton"

I take it that you are not very fond of Cora, did she rattle a few goals past you at some stage ?

Her nickname should be the optician. She's what we would call an "I" specialist. All about her and not the team. What's even more infuriating is that in connaght final on the other side of the pitch she refused for a 2nd time to hand over the ball to the designated free taker from that side.

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #476 on: September 19, 2018, 02:59:14 PM »
Listened to the Ger Gilroy/Cora Staunton interview from a couple of weeks ago - disgraceful stuff from Gilroy
Very poor imbalanced journalism. The Off The Ball road show in Croke Park the Thursday before AI final Cora got another free run at it this time Joe Molloy interviewing I think. The crowd lapped up all she said, the tone set by the interviewer. Gilroy wasn't even listening as he spent the night outside the hall chatting to a group of lads.
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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #477 on: September 19, 2018, 03:01:21 PM »
How many players were on the Mayo panel before the walkout?

How is any manager that loses so many of his panel doing a competent job?

Not even Holmes and Connelly had players walk out on them mid-championship.

Answer me this: do you think Leahy's management has been competent?

Like, examine what has happened.

Under a different manager the team reached the All-Ireland final the previous year. Under him 2018 was a total fiasco with players walking out en masse because of him.

How is that competent management?

In any other walk of life, there would be no debate - the manager would be sacked for that type of performance, and rightly so.

Yes, as far as I'm aware, all 26 were part of the original panel. Open to correction on that though.

I'm not here to defend Leahy as a manager although you can read back on the statement by the 26 players to get an idea of what their opinion was. The problem here is bigger than him and you seem to be completely missing that point. NO manager could have dropped those players without them kicking up a stink. That Leahy may have other failings as a manager is beside the point but players being dropped was the catalyst for this fallout.

Isn't it odd that these "player welfare" issues only surfaced when some players were being dropped? Not a single word about them to the players liaison officer previously.  ???

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #478 on: September 19, 2018, 03:06:16 PM »


It's like dealing with a goldfish.

You forget everything said/pointed out previously and keep on insisting manager must go as part of some personal vendetta. Either that or you choose to completely ignore it . You refuse to accept the behaviour of the Carnacon players was even remotely out of order and the manager is some kind of monster who should be banished from the county never to return. 

Players pressuring teammates to quit a panel clearly only acting in the best interests of Mayo football ::) ::)
What nonsense.

You've been repeating the same lie multiple times and are now claiming fantastical things about my view of Peter Leahy.

The simple reality is that when a manager loses 12 players including nine of the 18 players used in last year's All-Ireland final, from different clubs, and within six months of taking over, he has failed in his job, and should go.

Whatever. You clearly have no intention of addressing the behaviour of Cornacon players. It's not healthy to have such an irrational hatred of Peter Leahy though

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #479 on: September 19, 2018, 03:11:37 PM »
For the record, I actually have good time for Cora.
Always enjoyed her interviews (well, up until recently).
Heard her doing co-commentary on the radio for the mens Connacht final and thought she was very good.
That doesn't change the fact that I think she's in the wrong here.
We've probably all known plenty of lads who've thrown their toys out of the pram and walked away from teams down through the years.
The main difference here is the language that has been used and the associated implications.
Once everyone signed those non-disclosure agreements in mediation, that should have been the end of any discussion of the issue in the media by either side.
I understand Cora has a book coming out, but she should have told interviewers that she wasn't going to talk about the ongoing matter.
Instead, she poured petrol on a fire that may otherwise have been controlled and eventually extinguished.
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