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« Reply #405 on: September 19, 2018, 09:17:27 AM »
Surely this is far from over especially given the scandalous decision to ban 8 players for the championship.
Get the facts right, they didn't try and ban 8 players they tried to ban a club as that club withdrew their players from the county team. The Connacht council have now agreed that the club was in the wrong. you should read up a bit more on this before throwing your oar in.

Carnacon reinstated, the 8 players involved now hit with a 4 week ban. Wonder how many games they'll play in that period and how strong they are without the 8 if they can still get through mayo
Maybe the 4 weeks is already served, the club has been banned for a few weeks now.

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« Reply #406 on: September 19, 2018, 09:22:22 AM »

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

The evidence from other player strikes is that when the unwanted manager goes, the problems tend to dissipate, yes.

I think you'll struggle to find a manager who decided to carry on without player support and who went on to success.

Oh I doubt he'll much short term success considering he's missing a raft of players.

However, it's better for Mayo football in the long term that he at least stays another year, not to do so would be a capitulation.

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« Reply #407 on: September 19, 2018, 09:26:46 AM »
Surely this is far from over especially given the scandalous decision to ban 8 players for the championship.
Get the facts right, they didn't try and ban 8 players they tried to ban a club as that club withdrew their players from the county team. The Connacht council have now agreed that the club was in the wrong. you should read up a bit more on this before throwing your oar in.

Carnacon reinstated, the 8 players involved now hit with a 4 week ban. Wonder how many games they'll play in that period and how strong they are without the 8 if they can still get through mayo
Maybe the 4 weeks is already served, the club has been banned for a few weeks now.

No, they said the 4 week ban started from midnight last night.

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« Reply #408 on: September 19, 2018, 09:33:56 AM »
Has there been any word on whether Carnacon will appeal the €500 fine? On the one hand, the appeal was a big win for them but by accepting the fine, they'll be admitting they were in the wrong.

As HS pointed out, some of the players get off completely without censure



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« Reply #409 on: September 19, 2018, 09:35:14 AM »

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

The evidence from other player strikes is that when the unwanted manager goes, the problems tend to dissipate, yes.

I think you'll struggle to find a manager who decided to carry on without player support and who went on to success.

Oh I doubt he'll much short term success considering he's missing a raft of players.

However, it's better for Mayo football in the long term that he at least stays another year, not to do so would be a capitulation.
The same credibility should be attached to that statement as to somebody saying in 2015 that "Holmes and Connelly should stay for the good of Mayo football, not to do so would be a capitulation"- ie. none.

Because it's so self-evidently false.

A manager continuing without the support of half his panel cannot bring anything but harm to Mayo football, both short run and long run.

This is not the 1950s. Players expect better and rightly so.


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« Reply #410 on: September 19, 2018, 09:37:48 AM »

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

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« Reply #411 on: September 19, 2018, 09:38:51 AM »
Mayo are probably happy enough that PL has the drive to keep at this, can't imagine their would be too many others wanting to step into this Mayo setup. Carnacon players all from the parish or do they hoover up the best talent about? Don't know much about them tbh but they seem incredibly strong compared to the other club teams.

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« Reply #412 on: September 19, 2018, 09:50:12 AM »

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

The evidence from other player strikes is that when the unwanted manager goes, the problems tend to dissipate, yes.

I think you'll struggle to find a manager who decided to carry on without player support and who went on to success.

Oh I doubt he'll much short term success considering he's missing a raft of players.

However, it's better for Mayo football in the long term that he at least stays another year, not to do so would be a capitulation.
The same credibility should be attached to that statement as to somebody saying in 2015 that "Holmes and Connelly should stay for the good of Mayo football, not to do so would be a capitulation"- ie. none.

Because it's so self-evidently false.

A manager continuing without the support of half his panel cannot bring anything but harm to Mayo football, both short run and long run.

This is not the 1950s. Players expect better and rightly so.
Its not half, they had 26 players for the remaining games of the championship after the walkout

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« Reply #413 on: September 19, 2018, 09:52:18 AM »

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

The evidence from other player strikes is that when the unwanted manager goes, the problems tend to dissipate, yes.

I think you'll struggle to find a manager who decided to carry on without player support and who went on to success.

Oh I doubt he'll much short term success considering he's missing a raft of players.

However, it's better for Mayo football in the long term that he at least stays another year, not to do so would be a capitulation.
The same credibility should be attached to that statement as to somebody saying in 2015 that "Holmes and Connelly should stay for the good of Mayo football, not to do so would be a capitulation"- ie. none.

Because it's so self-evidently false.

A manager continuing without the support of half his panel cannot bring anything but harm to Mayo football, both short run and long run.

This is not the 1950s. Players expect better and rightly so.

The manager always goes, cannot remember any instance in a case like this where the manager carried on.

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« Reply #414 on: September 19, 2018, 09:53:56 AM »

The same credibility should be attached to that statement as to somebody saying in 2015 that "Holmes and Connelly should stay for the good of Mayo football, not to do so would be a capitulation"- ie. none.

Because it's so self-evidently false.

A manager continuing without the support of half his panel cannot bring anything but harm to Mayo football, both short run and long run.

This is not the 1950s. Players expect better and rightly so.

I presume you already know this but I'll humour you anyway. The Mayo squad in 2015 had a vote on H&C and voted overwhelmingly against him and after the vote, the entire squad stood together on the matter. That was a coup against a manager who most of the squad didn't believe was up to scratch, not a coup by a select few who only took issue when they were being dropped.

The current attempted coup is orchestrated by a small minority (less than one third) of the squad while the majority have come out in explicit support of the manager. In the opinion of two thirds of the panel:

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“Our manager Peter Leahy has shown integrity and honour under tremendous pressure and he has always treated us as elite athletes, has supported and stood strong for us allowing us to play football without fear or intimidation.

“The management set up has been top class with no stone left unturned to make sure we can avail of top level coaching and facilities. The management ethos is focused on teamwork and also on how we as individuals can perform to the highest standard.

That seems unequivocal to me and after these players standing by Leahy, imo he's 100% correct to stand by them in return.

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« Reply #415 on: September 19, 2018, 09:57:14 AM »

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

The evidence from other player strikes is that when the unwanted manager goes, the problems tend to dissipate, yes.

I think you'll struggle to find a manager who decided to carry on without player support and who went on to success.

Oh I doubt he'll much short term success considering he's missing a raft of players.

However, it's better for Mayo football in the long term that he at least stays another year, not to do so would be a capitulation.
The same credibility should be attached to that statement as to somebody saying in 2015 that "Holmes and Connelly should stay for the good of Mayo football, not to do so would be a capitulation"- ie. none.

Because it's so self-evidently false.

A manager continuing without the support of half his panel cannot bring anything but harm to Mayo football, both short run and long run.

This is not the 1950s. Players expect better and rightly so.
Its not half, they had 26 players for the remaining games of the championship after the walkout

Were all of those 26 on the panel before the walk out? Or were some of them drafted in afterwards?

Senior mens inter-county panels don't have 38 players, I find it highly unlikely a women's panel would have 38.

Earlier on this thread it was claimed that all players who walked out were from the one club. That is false.

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« Reply #416 on: September 19, 2018, 10:08:55 AM »

The same credibility should be attached to that statement as to somebody saying in 2015 that "Holmes and Connelly should stay for the good of Mayo football, not to do so would be a capitulation"- ie. none.

Because it's so self-evidently false.

A manager continuing without the support of half his panel cannot bring anything but harm to Mayo football, both short run and long run.

This is not the 1950s. Players expect better and rightly so.

I presume you already know this but I'll humour you anyway. The Mayo squad in 2015 had a vote on H&C and voted overwhelmingly against him and after the vote, the entire squad stood together on the matter. That was a coup against a manager who most of the squad didn't believe was up to scratch, not a coup by a select few who only took issue when they were being dropped.

The current attempted coup is orchestrated by a small minority (less than one third) of the squad while the majority have come out in explicit support of the manager. In the opinion of two thirds of the panel:

Quote
“Our manager Peter Leahy has shown integrity and honour under tremendous pressure and he has always treated us as elite athletes, has supported and stood strong for us allowing us to play football without fear or intimidation.

“The management set up has been top class with no stone left unturned to make sure we can avail of top level coaching and facilities. The management ethos is focused on teamwork and also on how we as individuals can perform to the highest standard.

That seems unequivocal to me and after these players standing by Leahy, imo he's 100% correct to stand by them in return.
How many players were on the Mayo panel before the walkout?

How is any manager that loses so many of his panel doing a competent job?

Not even Holmes and Connelly had players walk out on them mid-championship.

Answer me this: do you think Leahy's management has been competent?

Like, examine what has happened.

Under a different manager the team reached the All-Ireland final the previous year. Under him 2018 was a total fiasco with players walking out en masse because of him.

How is that competent management?

In any other walk of life, there would be no debate - the manager would be sacked for that type of performance, and rightly so.








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« Reply #417 on: September 19, 2018, 10:09:38 AM »

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.

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« Reply #418 on: September 19, 2018, 10:15:07 AM »

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.


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« Reply #419 on: September 19, 2018, 10:19:32 AM »
Go and watch any game their so called star player has played in the last few years Sid; Team play was completely lost on her.