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sid waddell

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #375 on: September 18, 2018, 10:28:29 PM »
The kindest thing you could say about Peter Leahy is that he comes across as a dinosaur.

Whatever has actually gone on here and the rights and wrongs of it, he has no business continuing in the job.

The reality is he has presided over a poor championship campaign for Mayo and more importantly alienated half the panel.

Only a pig ignorant gobshite would choose to continue in such circumstances and the Mayo board come out of this very badly too for how they set up Carnacon.

"alienated half the panel" = attempting to drop some senior players who aren't quite as good as they used to be

I agree with HS though that attempting to ban the club was a foolish option, it creates a distraction and generates undue sympathy for those who walked away

But he has alienated half the panel. That's a massive management failure by any standards, as is Mayo's championship performance this year compared to last year when Leahy was not the manager. Clearly the best players were not on the pitch after the walkout by the 12 players. It's his job to put the best team on the pitch and he completely failed to do that.

By attempting to stay in the job, he's only making things worse for both himself and Mayo football.


In what way is he making things worse?
Is that a serious question?  ;D

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #376 on: September 18, 2018, 10:29:27 PM »
Pace yourself, Pricey.
The secret to a good wum account is subtlety.
You need to put in the hours before you get the pay-off.

I've hit the nail on the head and you know it! The only thing that's not subtle is the anti women/feminist views that are clouding people's judgement on this.

I don't think it is anti anything to ask what peoples perception of the Tierney interview would have been if that had been a bloke that was talking and with an emotion loaded voice.
The reaction / thought process for most would have been the along the lines of "FFS, will you toughen up" (with many acknowledging that the perhaps the managers approach left a bit to be desired).

Shouldn't feminism demand that we apply the same standards of judgement when its a girl ??

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #377 on: September 18, 2018, 10:32:42 PM »
Sorry but for wumming to be successful it needs to be reasonably believable.

Not wumming son, just like I wasn't wumming when I pointed out that Dublin have been bought 54 titles since 2005! You disapeared soon after that.  ;D

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #378 on: September 18, 2018, 10:34:20 PM »
FFS, lets have one thread without bringing dublin into it

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #379 on: September 18, 2018, 10:36:34 PM »
Pace yourself, Pricey.
The secret to a good wum account is subtlety.
You need to put in the hours before you get the pay-off.

I've hit the nail on the head and you know it! The only thing that's not subtle is the anti women/feminist views that are clouding people's judgement on this.

I don't think it is anti anything to ask what peoples perception of the Tierney interview would have been if that had been a bloke that was talking and with an emotion loaded voice.
The reaction / thought process for most would have been the along the lines of "FFS, will you toughen up" (with many acknowledging that the perhaps the managers approach left a bit to be desired).

Shouldn't feminism demand that we apply the same standards of judgement when its a girl ??

The reaction to Roy Keane shows that the same standards aren't being applied!!

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #380 on: September 18, 2018, 10:37:21 PM »
Patience, Pricey.
Patience.
You're like a child that's just downed a bag of skittles in one go.
If you were any use you'd be playing.

priceyreilly

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #381 on: September 18, 2018, 10:37:33 PM »
FFS, lets have one thread without bringing dublin into it

Just nice to put people back in their box sometimes.  :)

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #382 on: September 18, 2018, 10:45:06 PM »
Patience, Pricey.
Patience.
You're like a child that's just downed a bag of skittles in one go.

I've done this:




sid waddell

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #383 on: September 18, 2018, 10:46:22 PM »
It's amazing how half the panel is all from the one club.

They aren't.

High profile players from other clubs have also walked out.



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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #384 on: September 18, 2018, 10:50:54 PM »
This is just a case of a shockingly poor manager losing the dressing room!

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #385 on: September 18, 2018, 10:56:00 PM »
The kindest thing you could say about Peter Leahy is that he comes across as a dinosaur.

Whatever has actually gone on here and the rights and wrongs of it, he has no business continuing in the job.

The reality is he has presided over a poor championship campaign for Mayo and more importantly alienated half the panel.

Only a pig ignorant gobshite would choose to continue in such circumstances and the Mayo board come out of this very badly too for how they set up Carnacon.

"alienated half the panel" = attempting to drop some senior players who aren't quite as good as they used to be

I agree with HS though that attempting to ban the club was a foolish option, it creates a distraction and generates undue sympathy for those who walked away

But he has alienated half the panel. That's a massive management failure by any standards, as is Mayo's championship performance this year compared to last year when Leahy was not the manager. Clearly the best players were not on the pitch after the walkout by the 12 players. It's his job to put the best team on the pitch and he completely failed to do that.

By attempting to stay in the job, he's only making things worse for both himself and Mayo football.


In what way is he making things worse?
Is that a serious question?  ;D

Yes, serious question. In what way is he making things worse?

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #386 on: September 18, 2018, 11:00:10 PM »
From RTÉ

champions Carnacon will remain in this year's Championship following an appeal which was heard at tonight's Connacht Council meeting in Ballyhaunis.

The Mayo Ladies County Board had sought to have the club removed from the Championship on the grounds that they brought the game into disrepute, after the club withdrew eight players from the Mayo county team, due to apparent player welfare issues.

The club have been fined €500 and their eight county players have each been handed a four-week suspension.


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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #387 on: September 18, 2018, 11:01:58 PM »
Pace yourself, Pricey.
The secret to a good wum account is subtlety.
You need to put in the hours before you get the pay-off.

I've hit the nail on the head and you know it! The only thing that's not subtle is the anti women/feminist views that are clouding people's judgement on this.

I don't think it is anti anything to ask what peoples perception of the Tierney interview would have been if that had been a bloke that was talking and with an emotion loaded voice.
The reaction / thought process for most would have been the along the lines of "FFS, will you toughen up" (with many acknowledging that the perhaps the managers approach left a bit to be desired).

Shouldn't feminism demand that we apply the same standards of judgement when its a girl ??

The reaction to Roy Keane shows that the same standards aren't being applied!!

Yes, Roy Keanes man mgmt methods leave a bit to be desired.
Equally, the commentary on Harry Arter was typically along the lines of he needs to grow up / toughen up

You can apply the same generalizations to Leahy and Tierney

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #388 on: September 18, 2018, 11:02:18 PM »
Sorry but for wumming to be successful it needs to be reasonably believable.

Not wumming son, just like I wasn't wumming when I pointed out that Dublin have been bought 54 titles since 2005! You disapeared soon after that.  ;D

I'm not your son & can only hope we're not related. It is impressive though how you managed to have a rant at the dubs over an internal mayo matter

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Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« Reply #389 on: September 18, 2018, 11:13:06 PM »
My €0.02 on this, if anyone cares.

Over a decade ago, I was part of the backroom team of the Tyrone senior ladies football team. Was only for a year but the team got to the All-Ireland senior championship semi-final, losing out to Mayo.

At the start of the year, it was made clear that all potential county players had to attend both trial sessions about a couple of months before the National League. If you had an acceptable excuse to not be able to get to one, fair enough - but not turning up for both meant you weren't considered, end of story. Chances were given to players from clubs at all adult grades to make the panel.
Over the course of the NFL it was rather uneventful with just one win, but it was enough to avoid relegation from Division 1.

Preparations were then made for the Ulster and All-Ireland SFCs with involved eight games in all from Donegal in the Ulster Q-Final to Mayo in the All-Ireland Semi-Final in Breffni, under lights and broadcast live on TG4.

There were issues at times during the course of the year, one concerning about coaching that was raised by players both directly with management and the liaison officer with as much as I was aware was quickly dealt with by all parties. Another was from a couple of players who felt they were too good to be on the bench - they soon left on their own accord. One player whom was on the starting 15 was having personal issues involving an ex-boyfriend harassing her that she was looking to move to the USA to get away from it but we managed to convince her to stay. We also approached two ex-county players during the championship whom were still playing at club level as we felt their experience would prove useful, one took up the call while the other wasn't able to commit.

Given what I've experienced and seen happen at county level across Ireland not only that year but before and after it, combined with what has been put in the public domain with respect to the issue at hand here, in my opinion there was a case here of the tail trying to wag the dog with a band of players whom in the past got pretty much what they wanted. And when a new face appeared to lay down their rule and actually said "no" on occasions, some didn't know how to react. This isn't exclusive to ladies football, it happens also in mens football & hurling as well in my experience at club & county level. However at county level this scenario is most vulnerable with teams where the panel is dominated by players from one or two clubs and has been the case for some time - and that is what seems to be happening here.

What exactly led to some players and a couple of the management team to walk out isn't out in the open, but it seems that the word going around the Mayo LGFA circles was enough for the club delegates to vote near unanimously to punish Carnacon as a result. I can only take from it that things must have come to a head between Carnacon and other clubs in Mayo for it to explode like this. Aside from this, the public mud slinging isn't painting anyone in a broadly positive light. I think they'll be more drama before this runs its course.
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