Maddie McCann

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In case people hadn’t picked up I was being sarcastic....if what is coming out now is proven to be true the Portuguese police have been criminally negligent

[Main Street]

You really have to wonder how this guy managed to dodge suspicion for so long.

He didn't the original investigator on the Portugeese side Goncalo Amaral, said years ago in his book that it was all a cover up and it had been decided a German Paedophile will be the one that it will be pinned on. on.

Are you sure about that?  Amaral said last year that the british MI5, who according to Amaral were in on the massive cover-up conspiracy from the beginning  in order to protect the McCanns, would make moves to make a German pedophile the scapegoat.

As it turns out, the german police are methodically investigating the alleged role of one german pedophile, MI5 are not involved. And this suspect was apparently cleared by Amaral's investigation way back in time.

Amaral had also accused the McCanns of hiding Maddy's body with the helpful involvement of their holiday friends, who apparently chipped in without the slightest hesitation and all merrily carried on with their partying after that deed was completed.  And  no doubt using special MI5 magic,the McCanns somehow  managed to transport the corpse to a secret location in the boot of a hire car, some 2 or 3 weeks later.

And to think some people still lend an ear to this idiot's crackpot theories.
 

[NetNitrate]

The holiday friends were never accused by PJ. Ironically the British ex-pat Murat was made a suspect because of the accusations of holiday friends who thought him suspicious (must have been glass eye), and the McCann private detectives (who later turned out to be big crooks) had nailed it on an African paedophile ring and promised to have the poor child home by Christmas. Keep in mind that the scent of death was only found on keys of car hired, so it does not translate that body was transported in a car hired after the death/abduction  of poor child. Amaral made parents suspects because police felt the child died in apartment, likely from accident being left alone, due to evidence of sniffer dogs and they found no evidence of an abduction. They also refused to cooperate or answer questions. As of yet, while the German appears scum of hugest order, German police say they have evidence poor child is dead but not enough to pin it in this person. The German digs seem to have unearthed nothing.  I think this will end same as the long line of suspects: no evidence to press charges. Meanwhile the PJ have blood samples from apartment that await better DNA testing. I think that will eventually crack the case.

[Main Street]

The holiday friends were never accused by PJ. Ironically the British ex-pat Murat was made a suspect because of the accusations of holiday friends who thought him suspicious (must have been glass eye), and the McCann private detectives (who later turned out to be big crooks) had nailed it on an African paedophile ring and promised to have the poor child home by Christmas. Keep in mind that the scent of death was only found on keys of car hired, so it does not translate that body was transported in a car hired after the death/abduction  of poor child. Amaral made parents suspects because police felt the child died in apartment, likely from accident being left alone, due to evidence of sniffer dogs and they found no evidence of an abduction. They also refused to cooperate or answer questions. As of yet, while the German appears scum of hugest order, German police say they have evidence poor child is dead but not enough to pin it in this person. The German digs seem to have unearthed nothing.  I think this will end same as the long line of suspects: no evidence to press charges. Meanwhile the PJ have blood samples from apartment that await better DNA testing. I think that will eventually crack the case.

Now we have a serving  of more nonsense about Amaral's sconspiracy theory.

Keep in mind that the scent of death was only found on keys of car hired, so it does not translate that body was transported in a car hired after the death/abduction  of poor child.

According to the dog handler the 2 sniffer dogs communicated  that they found human blood  and corpse odour inside the boot and outside the driver's door of a Renault Scenic, a car rented by the McCanns some 14 days after Maddie's death.
The portugese police at the time  quite rightly disregarded the well known unreliability of the evidence of such sniffer dogs, but not Amaral.

Amaral made parents suspects because police felt the child died in apartment, likely from accident being left alone, due to evidence of sniffer dogs and they found no evidence of an abduction.

Amaral claimed the McCanns could have done it, found Maddie dead or killed her.
Sniffer dog evidence is notoriously unreliable but Amaral is not bothered by such proven doubts.
When Amaral's fantasy conspiracy  is matched up to the undisputed  cast iron timeline of events, it falls apart  - every last little crumb.
The McCanns could only have hidden the body on the night with the assistance or knowledge of at least 2 holiday chums. There is no other possibility.
And afterwards  all went down to rejoin the party and be merry. And having created their perfect alibis which have stood the test of time and minute scrutiny, they then faked the whole abduction scenario to the police and world press and have done so ever since.

According to Amaral's fantasy, Maddie's corpse had to be moved. The only possible method of  removal  from where the corpse was hidden to a place of disposal by the McCanns was in the rented car some 14 or more days later. Or according to Amaral, it was the hidden hands of  MI5 which completed the cover up.

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Main Street - agreed if you don't accept the reliability of the dogs, then Amaral had no case. I think the claim of the Irish family is unreliable due to the amount of time it took them to come forward. That said, it is curious that a dog trained in only picking up the scent of death only found it in 3 locations: apartment behind the sofa, on the child's toy in the families new place of residence, and on the keys of hire car. It is also curious that a second dog trained to detect blood samples and back up the cadaver odor dog, only found blood samples behind the sofa, apartment bedroom, and in the back of the hire car. It is further curious that the blood samples had a close resemblance to the poor child's DNA, but were ruled inconclusive by the English lab because she also shared the same DNA with her parents, and they could not be certain it was her blood. Further, DNA experts are saying the type of testing used by English police could never have proved conclusive with the technology there were using. That lab has since been closed down due to their faulty practices. But if you discard this evidence, the PJ had nothing. But it is not just Amaral that believed the child died in the apartment; it was also one of the conclusions by the police that replaced him. Even the German prosecutor who believes he has the real killer accused the Portuguese police of still believing the parents were responsible. You now have 3 police forces with different views, as the Met (Operation Grange) say she may still be alive. At least two of those police forces are wrong; indeed they might be all wrong. But one of them may be right. Time will tell, and hopefully the poor child will get justice.

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Worst case is she was abducted

Others, there was an accident and for some reason I can’t fathom, both families hid their child, then drove her away to some place and buried her. Meaning both families complicit in this.

Like in your wildest dreams can you even think for a second the parents killed their child? I know it happens, but there’s generally evidence to show that and maybe history of this to at least give you idea. Also again the ones with them would also be involved.

The abduction with no evidence of breaking in doesn’t look great, the fact that they left their kids alone and only checked in every so often isn’t great.

The dogs, I love dogs but building a case on that alone, with nothing else to back it up (physical evidence) won’t cut it for me. They were in constant media attention from the minute she was missing, getting time to ‘get rid’ of a child while all that’s going on seems a bit far fetched.

Very sad, but Christ it seems easier nowadays to look for a conspiracy than accept the facts that are presented, a bit like the young lad Noah. There could have been something else to it but the facts up to  now is he unfortunately died of drowning with no other, markings that would suggest something sinister. Though I’d wait till full report is published on it.

[Main Street]

Main Street - agreed if you don't accept the reliability of the dogs, then Amaral had no case.

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The evidence of the dogs is irrelevant, it doesnt support Amaral's theory in the least that the McCanns were complicit, either in the killing or/and  the removal of the corpse. Amaral's theory or anybody's theory that the McCanns were complicit is beyond the realms of  human possibility, beyond the realm of rationality.

The  (unreliable)  evidence of the dogs only adds some fuel to conspiracy theorists that the McCanns were complicit, a conspiracy theory that conveniently ignores the stone wall of evidence that renders their theory worthless.

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Main Street - agreed if you don't accept the reliability of the dogs, then Amaral had no case.

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The evidence of the dogs is irrelevant, it doesnt support Amaral's theory in the least that the McCanns were complicit, either in the killing or/and  the removal of the corpse. Amaral's theory or anybody's theory that the McCanns were complicit is beyond the realms of  human possibility, beyond the realm of rationality.

The  (unreliable)  evidence of the dogs only adds some fuel to conspiracy theorists that the McCanns were complicit, a conspiracy theory that conveniently ignores the stone wall of evidence that renders their theory worthless.

I don't think the evidence of the dogs is irrelevant. Such dogs play a vital role in solving crimes, detecting things beyond the capability of humans or machines. However, the evidence is of little use if the DNA on the blood samples is inconclusive. It does not mean more advanced technology will not solve that in years to come. Dogs are also being used by the German police in the digs being carried out. Until the Germans reveal what their "concrete" evidence is, there remains little to no other evidence in this case - beyond the sighting of the Smith family of a man carrying a child who looked asleep that night (their efit was suppressed for many years by the McCann detectives for some strange reason). The Jane Tanner (friend of family) sighting and eFit, promoted by the McCann detectives, has been eliminated by both the British police and PJ.