Maddie McCann

[macdanger2]

A guy on the news saying that the amount of information that the German police have released today, they must be certain this is the person wanted as a defense lawyer would have a feld day with whats been openly reported.

What significant information has been reported?

I was thinking that there's f*ck all linking this guy to the murder. He was in the area around the time; he's a child sex offender, if that's it then it seems exceedingly tenuous so I was assuming there must be something else.

The sale of the car is being reported as significant, why? He murders a child today and then sells a car associated with the murder tomorrow instead of scrapping it (you'd have to assume that the sale was organised prior to that anyway)

If he "confessed" to someone then it could just as easily be a bullsh*t story imo.

Without a body or the murderer having kept a "trophy", I don't think anyone will ever be convicted of her murder

I didn’t say significant but amount of information about this guy who at that point had anonymity under German law. Displaying pictures of his vehicles and former home could be argued that he would not get a fair trial (if convicted).

Ah right, fair enough

Yeah, it would be good for the family to finally get some sort of closure

[rodney trotter]

A guy on the news saying that the amount of information that the German police have released today, they must be certain this is the person wanted as a defense lawyer would have a feld day with whats been openly reported.

What significant information has been reported?

I was thinking that there's f*ck all linking this guy to the murder. He was in the area around the time; he's a child sex offender, if that's it then it seems exceedingly tenuous so I was assuming there must be something else.

The sale of the car is being reported as significant, why? He murders a child today and then sells a car associated with the murder tomorrow instead of scrapping it (you'd have to assume that the sale was organised prior to that anyway)

If he "confessed" to someone then it could just as easily be a bullsh*t story imo.

Without a body or the murderer having kept a "trophy", I don't think anyone will ever be convicted of her murder

You'd make a poor lawyer. They announced his name and picture of him. They obviously have plenty of information on him, and not just another random link

[An Watcher]

I'm not so sure now. Talk of him being released so is this an attempt to hold onto him.

[trailer]

I'm not so sure now. Talk of him being released so is this an attempt to hold onto him.

Is he not serving a sentence for other sex offences? He's in prison in Germany was what I understood not that he'd been arrested.

It's a truly harrowing story and when I think about it I can't stop thinking about that wee girls last few hours. Afraid, alone, most probably crying looking help or her parents, not knowing what was happening. It really, really gets me.

[Main Street]

I'm not so sure now. Talk of him being released so is this an attempt to hold onto him.

According to news reports he was extradited back to Germany on the basis of a warrant but was charged with another offence, therefore his lawyers argue he should be released.
Nevertheless he's a suspect of great interest, the german investigators have kept a close watch on his movements over the years and have done a lot of work on the case. This timely public plea by them looks to be an attempt to gain more evidence because what they have now is probably not enough.

[balladmaker]

I'm not so sure now. Talk of him being released so is this an attempt to hold onto him.

Is he not serving a sentence for other sex offences? He's in prison in Germany was what I understood not that he'd been arrested.

It's a truly harrowing story and when I think about it I can't stop thinking about that wee girls last few hours. Afraid, alone, most probably crying looking help or her parents, not knowing what was happening. It really, really gets me.

Does not bare thinking about, harrowing stuff.  This suspect is eligible for parole from his current sentence from this Sunday onwards, can't see that happening. 

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the child died in the holiday apartment at the hand of the intruder, and then the intruder took the body with them.  This might add some credence to the cadaver dogs picking up a scent of death in the apartment.

If this suspect is the culprit, surely the German's cops will make him talk whatever way they can.

[macdanger2]

A guy on the news saying that the amount of information that the German police have released today, they must be certain this is the person wanted as a defense lawyer would have a feld day with whats been openly reported.

What significant information has been reported?

I was thinking that there's f*ck all linking this guy to the murder. He was in the area around the time; he's a child sex offender, if that's it then it seems exceedingly tenuous so I was assuming there must be something else.

The sale of the car is being reported as significant, why? He murders a child today and then sells a car associated with the murder tomorrow instead of scrapping it (you'd have to assume that the sale was organised prior to that anyway)

If he "confessed" to someone then it could just as easily be a bullsh*t story imo.

Without a body or the murderer having kept a "trophy", I don't think anyone will ever be convicted of her murder

You'd make a poor lawyer. They announced his name and picture of him. They obviously have plenty of information on him, and not just another random link

TBF, I'm neither claiming nor aspiring to be a lawyer 

Did the police release his name & photo? It's not being reported on the RTE website and my understanding was that a newspaper report had named him unofficially as "Christian B".

I don't doubt that the investigators have plenty of "information" on him but translating that into evidence enough to secure a conviction might be another story.

For some of the actual lawyers on here, how reliable would the account of an eye witness be considered to be when retold after a long period of time like this? Or would that just be up to the jury to decide on the credibility of it?

[GetOverTheBar]

A guy on the news saying that the amount of information that the German police have released today, they must be certain this is the person wanted as a defense lawyer would have a feld day with whats been openly reported.

What significant information has been reported?

I was thinking that there's f*ck all linking this guy to the murder. He was in the area around the time; he's a child sex offender, if that's it then it seems exceedingly tenuous so I was assuming there must be something else.

The sale of the car is being reported as significant, why? He murders a child today and then sells a car associated with the murder tomorrow instead of scrapping it (you'd have to assume that the sale was organised prior to that anyway)

If he "confessed" to someone then it could just as easily be a bullsh*t story imo.

Without a body or the murderer having kept a "trophy", I don't think anyone will ever be convicted of her murder

You'd make a poor lawyer. They announced his name and picture of him. They obviously have plenty of information on him, and not just another random link

TBF, I'm neither claiming nor aspiring to be a lawyer 

Did the police release his name & photo? It's not being reported on the RTE website and my understanding was that a newspaper report had named him unofficially as "Christian B".

I don't doubt that the investigators have plenty of "information" on him but translating that into evidence enough to secure a conviction might be another story.

For some of the actual lawyers on here, how reliable would the account of an eye witness be considered to be when retold after a long period of time like this? Or would that just be up to the jury to decide on the credibility of it?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-be-out-of-jail-in-days-police-fear-german-rapist-may-be-given-parole-as-they-hunt-for-his-kosovan-underage-ex-girlfriend-and-focus-on-portuguese-farmhouse-they-shared/ar-BB154ptG?li=BBoPWjQ

The Daily Mail, whilst not exactly a bastion of integrity, have no problem picturing or providing pictures of him, MSN add the name.

Regarding the legal issue, it's a bit wishy washy...depending on the context....I mean, a really good lawyer could destroy the eye witness under cross examination, probably go after their character not speaking up years before now etc. I don't know how you could seriously rely on an eye witness to alone, get a conviction. They'll need a lot more than that, especially since there is no body.

[tbrick18]

The German police must be confident they have the right man, otherwise their claim that they are assuming the child is dead could make them look incompetent.
I'm wondering do they have some physical evidence already and they are looking for that extra nail in the coffin to secure a conviction.

It doesn't bear thinking about what must have happened that wee girl and to her family. At the time it happened one of my kids was around that age, and coincidentally I have a 3 year old girl now also. It really makes it hit home how evil an act this was regardless of who carried it out.

[tyrone08]

The German police must be confident they have the right man, otherwise their claim that they are assuming the child is dead could make them look incompetent.
I'm wondering do they have some physical evidence already and they are looking for that extra nail in the coffin to secure a conviction.

It doesn't bear thinking about what must have happened that wee girl and to her family. At the time it happened one of my kids was around that age, and coincidentally I have a 3 year old girl now also. It really makes it hit home how evil an act this was regardless of who carried it out.

That poor wee girl. Unfortunately I have to blame the parents here. Never in my mind would I consider leaving my kids alone while I went and drank.

Do we know why it took so long for this to come out?

[Milltown Row2]

The German police must be confident they have the right man, otherwise their claim that they are assuming the child is dead could make them look incompetent.
I'm wondering do they have some physical evidence already and they are looking for that extra nail in the coffin to secure a conviction.

It doesn't bear thinking about what must have happened that wee girl and to her family. At the time it happened one of my kids was around that age, and coincidentally I have a 3 year old girl now also. It really makes it hit home how evil an act this was regardless of who carried it out.

That poor wee girl. Unfortunately I have to blame the parents here. Never in my mind would I consider leaving my kids alone while I went and drank.

Do we know why it took so long for this to come out?

Never done it or would my wife even forgive me if I left them in the car had i went to the shop!

But I've left them in the house while we've been in garden when having a barbie/drinks

[GetOverTheBar]

The German police must be confident they have the right man, otherwise their claim that they are assuming the child is dead could make them look incompetent.
I'm wondering do they have some physical evidence already and they are looking for that extra nail in the coffin to secure a conviction.

It doesn't bear thinking about what must have happened that wee girl and to her family. At the time it happened one of my kids was around that age, and coincidentally I have a 3 year old girl now also. It really makes it hit home how evil an act this was regardless of who carried it out.

That poor wee girl. Unfortunately I have to blame the parents here. Never in my mind would I consider leaving my kids alone while I went and drank.

Do we know why it took so long for this to come out?

Never done it or would my wife even forgive me if I left them in the car had i went to the shop!

But I've left them in the house while we've been in garden when having a barbie/drinks

Waiting expectantly now for this to be thrown at you in threads to come.

[93-DY-SAM]

I'm not so sure now. Talk of him being released so is this an attempt to hold onto him.

Is he not serving a sentence for other sex offences? He's in prison in Germany was what I understood not that he'd been arrested.

It's a truly harrowing story and when I think about it I can't stop thinking about that wee girls last few hours. Afraid, alone, most probably crying looking help or her parents, not knowing what was happening. It really, really gets me.

I am the same when I read about any of these cases that involves cruelty or abuse of kids especially when it results in the worst possible outcome. They really stick in my head for days. Your heart just breaks for these kids.  I'm usually a very peaceful person but for crimes like this against children I can only wish the most horrible death on the scum that commit them.

[Main Street]

The German police must be confident they have the right man, otherwise their claim that they are assuming the child is dead could make them look incompetent.
I'm wondering do they have some physical evidence already and they are looking for that extra nail in the coffin to secure a conviction.

It doesn't bear thinking about what must have happened that wee girl and to her family. At the time it happened one of my kids was around that age, and coincidentally I have a 3 year old girl now also. It really makes it hit home how evil an act this was regardless of who carried it out.

That poor wee girl. Unfortunately I have to blame the parents here. Never in my mind would I consider leaving my kids alone while I went and drank.

Do we know why it took so long for this to come out?

Some medics use to blame parents for contributing to the 'sudden death' of their child in cot deaths, for putting the baby to sleep in what they mistakingly believed (with no evidence) in the wrong position.  Imagine that one, its bad enough to lose a precious baby without  imposed pseudo guilt crap  placed on top of their own existing self guilt.

How does this blame thing work, Maddie was abducted, most probably killed and you blame the parents here?
Do you not think they haven't had enough of that already, being at one time the most villified parents in the world?
You don't consider that possibly there's a time limit here to the blame the parents syndrome? That you can move on to considering their awful life experience in a wider context?
Incidentally do parents only get the blame when a bad event happens or would all the parents in that holiday group get equal blame for leaving their kids behind while they gathered together for a meal? 

[laoislad]

The German police must be confident they have the right man, otherwise their claim that they are assuming the child is dead could make them look incompetent.
I'm wondering do they have some physical evidence already and they are looking for that extra nail in the coffin to secure a conviction.

It doesn't bear thinking about what must have happened that wee girl and to her family. At the time it happened one of my kids was around that age, and coincidentally I have a 3 year old girl now also. It really makes it hit home how evil an act this was regardless of who carried it out.

That poor wee girl. Unfortunately I have to blame the parents here. Never in my mind would I consider leaving my kids alone while I went and drank.

Do we know why it took so long for this to come out?

Yeah fully agree. Absolutely mindboggling behaviour. I wouldn't leave one of them in the car when I go in to pay for Diesel.I couldn't imagine doing what they did.