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David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« on: June 03, 2018, 11:11:35 AM »
David Clifford has 2 won 2 minor all ireland and 2 hogans cups. Cooper didnt have a great underage record like DC. Clifford has done the business against ulster sides something which Gooch (people might argue)(never done. He never beat a Ulster team in aI final. Clifford has everything strength, pace, too footed and cool as a cucumber. Will Clifford surpass Gooch cooper to be the greatest footballer of all time and beat his scoring record?I predict today we see the start of one of the all time greats and should score 2-6 against Clare today.Sean O'Shea will also be better player than Declan O'Sullivan.

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Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2018, 12:21:19 PM »
Depends how many finals  he plays against Cork and Mayo. Depends whether or not the Ulster crowd can leave mediocrity behind. Depends on Kerry being ready when the Dub empire is sacked.
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Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2018, 12:29:27 PM »
David Clifford and Sean O'Shea two teens who haven't had the opportunity to play U20 for their county are today making their championship debuts at senior level. How about giving them time to settle in than hyping them up on what happened at U18 level?


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Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2018, 12:33:57 PM »
There are loads of examples of underage stars who never lived up to their potential at senior level. Equally, there are a number of examples of players who were unremarkable at underage(or didn't even get selected), who went on to be incredible players at senior intercounty level.

I'm sure Clifford and O'Shea will go on to be important players for Kerry, but give them a chance to settle in ffs

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Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2018, 10:40:38 PM »
Let Clifford hold his place firstly before hyping him to kingdom come

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Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2018, 11:58:40 PM »
Depends how many finals  he plays against Cork and Mayo. Depends whether or not the Ulster crowd can leave mediocrity behind. Depends on Kerry being ready when the Dub empire is sacked.

You can add Galway to that! Kerry love playing Galway more than even Mayo!

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Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2018, 01:48:01 AM »
Depends how many finals  he plays against Cork and Mayo. Depends whether or not the Ulster crowd can leave mediocrity behind. Depends on Kerry being ready when the Dub empire is sacked.

You can add Galway to that! Kerry love playing Galway more than even Mayo!

Conversely Roscommon have beaten them at every grade in AI finals, and even ended their four year Minor/U17 run last year to boot..

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Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2018, 10:09:55 AM »
Jaysus last year's u17 was a stand alone competition and you can hardly add it into 4 in a row minor runs.......

That's straw clutching and no other Rossie would be trying to trumpet it in such  a way..... we all were thrilled with beating Kerry in that game but don't hype it into something bigger than it was

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Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2018, 02:04:15 PM »
Depends how many finals  he plays against Cork and Mayo. Depends whether or not the Ulster crowd can leave mediocrity behind. Depends on Kerry being ready when the Dub empire is sacked.

You can add Galway to that! Kerry love playing Galway more than even Mayo!

Conversely Roscommon have beaten them at every grade in AI finals, and even ended their four year Minor/U17 run last year to boot..

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Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2018, 03:39:00 PM »
Jaysus last year's u17 was a stand alone competition and you can hardly add it into 4 in a row minor runs.......

That's straw clutching and no other Rossie would be trying to trumpet it in such  a way..... we all were thrilled with beating Kerry in that game but don't hype it into something bigger than it was

Out of interest if Kerry were to win the Minor All Ireland this year would it be classed as 5 in a row considering the last four All Irelands they won were U18 and this years All Ireland is U17?
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Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2018, 03:59:37 PM »
Depends how many finals  he plays against Cork and Mayo. Depends whether or not the Ulster crowd can leave mediocrity behind. Depends on Kerry being ready when the Dub empire is sacked.

You can add Galway to that! Kerry love playing Galway more than even Mayo!
Cork and Mayo are the the 2 teams with the worst AIF games lost to games played record. Mayo might even be as bad as the Galway hurlers.
So a Kerry vs Cork/Mayo is probably the most likely scenario for a Kerry win.
This is a blot on the Gooch's record,  I would say. 2004 and 2006 were turkey shoots. 
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Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2018, 04:40:53 PM »
Depends how many finals  he plays against Cork and Mayo. Depends whether or not the Ulster crowd can leave mediocrity behind. Depends on Kerry being ready when the Dub empire is sacked.

You can add Galway to that! Kerry love playing Galway more than even Mayo!
Cork and Mayo are the the 2 teams with the worst AIF games lost to games played record. Mayo might even be as bad as the Galway hurlers.
So a Kerry vs Cork/Mayo is probably the most likely scenario for a Kerry win.
This is a blot on the Gooch's record,  I would say. 2004 and 2006 were turkey shoots.

Ah, 12 AI final losses is a significant amount? There was some amount of suffering in the 40's and 70's for Galway supporters and lets not mention the 12 Apostles! 

When is the last time Galway beat Kerry or Dublin in an AI final? In fact when is the last time they beat either in the Championship?

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Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2018, 05:02:14 PM »
Depends how many finals  he plays against Cork and Mayo. Depends whether or not the Ulster crowd can leave mediocrity behind. Depends on Kerry being ready when the Dub empire is sacked.

You can add Galway to that! Kerry love playing Galway more than even Mayo!
Cork and Mayo are the the 2 teams with the worst AIF games lost to games played record. Mayo might even be as bad as the Galway hurlers.
So a Kerry vs Cork/Mayo is probably the most likely scenario for a Kerry win.
This is a blot on the Gooch's record,  I would say. 2004 and 2006 were turkey shoots.

Ah, 12 AI final losses is a significant amount? There was some amount of suffering in the 40's and 70's for Galway supporters and lets not mention the 12 Apostles! 

When is the last time Galway beat Kerry or Dublin in an AI final? In fact when is the last time they beat either in the Championship?
Galway beat Kerry in the 1964 and 1965 finals
They beat the Dubs in 1934
On average they win an All Ireland every 15 years or so
The difference with Mayo is they do win every so often
In 1951 Mayo and Galway were tied on 3.
I have no idea about semifinals
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Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2018, 06:09:00 PM »
Depends how many finals  he plays against Cork and Mayo. Depends whether or not the Ulster crowd can leave mediocrity behind. Depends on Kerry being ready when the Dub empire is sacked.

You can add Galway to that! Kerry love playing Galway more than even Mayo!
Cork and Mayo are the the 2 teams with the worst AIF games lost to games played record. Mayo might even be as bad as the Galway hurlers.
So a Kerry vs Cork/Mayo is probably the most likely scenario for a Kerry win.
This is a blot on the Gooch's record,  I would say. 2004 and 2006 were turkey shoots.

Ah, 12 AI final losses is a significant amount? There was some amount of suffering in the 40's and 70's for Galway supporters and lets not mention the 12 Apostles! 

When is the last time Galway beat Kerry or Dublin in an AI final? In fact when is the last time they beat either in the Championship?
Galway beat Kerry in the 1964 and 1965 finals
They beat the Dubs in 1934
On average they win an All Ireland every 15 years or so
The difference with Mayo is they do win every so often
In 1951 Mayo and Galway were tied on 3.
I have no idea about semifinals


I do love when a Galwayman looks at ancient history to argue/prove a show how superior his county is to Mayo. By the way Mayo people who have one more AI than Roscommon do the same.

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Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2018, 06:37:12 PM »
Depends how many finals  he plays against Cork and Mayo. Depends whether or not the Ulster crowd can leave mediocrity behind. Depends on Kerry being ready when the Dub empire is sacked.

You can add Galway to that! Kerry love playing Galway more than even Mayo!
Cork and Mayo are the the 2 teams with the worst AIF games lost to games played record. Mayo might even be as bad as the Galway hurlers.
So a Kerry vs Cork/Mayo is probably the most likely scenario for a Kerry win.
This is a blot on the Gooch's record,  I would say. 2004 and 2006 were turkey shoots.

Ah, 12 AI final losses is a significant amount? There was some amount of suffering in the 40's and 70's for Galway supporters and lets not mention the 12 Apostles! 

When is the last time Galway beat Kerry or Dublin in an AI final? In fact when is the last time they beat either in the Championship?
Galway beat Kerry in the 1964 and 1965 finals
They beat the Dubs in 1934
On average they win an All Ireland every 15 years or so
The difference with Mayo is they do win every so often
In 1951 Mayo and Galway were tied on 3.
I have no idea about semifinals


I do love when a Galwayman looks at ancient history to argue/prove a show how superior his county is to Mayo. By the way Mayo people who have one more AI than Roscommon do the same.
Galway footballers are good when they get a team together.
If Mayo could just win one the dynamic would probably change.  At this stage I'd take a Connacht Sam regardless of the county.
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