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Re: Anastasia Kriegel
« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2019, 04:48:31 PM »
Both Guilty!

I had thought maybe Boy B might get off with it but sounds like the right verdict was reached to be fair.

What happened to these 2 lads that they could do such a thing??




Violence against women by males is commonplace unfortunately. Toxic attitudes contribute to it.

There had to be a porn angle. And there was


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-evidence-the-jury-did-not-hear-1.3929624

Gardaí found internet searches for “child porn” and “animal porn” on the phone of one of the two boys convicted of murdering Ana Kriégel.
The 14-year-old accused, who can only be identified as Boy A due to his age, also had thousands of images of pornography in his phone, some of which depicted sexual violence.
The evidence emerged during legal argument in the seven week trial which ended on Tuesday with the two boys convicted on all charges.
The prosecution sought to put evidence of the internet searches and the violent pornography before the jury as part of their case against Boy A, who was also convicted of violently sexually assaulting Ana.
Mr Justice Paul McDermott excluded the evidence after ruling its prejudicial value outweighed its probative value.
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Re: Anastasia Kriegel
« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2019, 08:13:51 PM »
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-the-complete-story-1.3929570

This is not easy reading.

So how did Boy B get found guilty of murder as it just seems he was present at the murder? Or am I missing something
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Re: Anastasia Kriegel
« Reply #78 on: June 18, 2019, 08:20:14 PM »
I concur.

A tough read..

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Re: Anastasia Kriegel
« Reply #79 on: June 18, 2019, 08:47:31 PM »
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-the-complete-story-1.3929570

This is not easy reading.

So how did Boy B get found guilty of murder as it just seems he was present at the murder? Or am I missing something
Obviously the Jury decided based on the evidence.
He did bring her to the house, and he provided tape to tie her up or whatever.
So they felt he knew she was going to get assaulted/raped/killed.
I expect he'll be appealing.
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Re: Anastasia Kriegel
« Reply #80 on: June 18, 2019, 09:15:40 PM »
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-the-complete-story-1.3929570

This is not easy reading.

So how did Boy B get found guilty of murder as it just seems he was present at the murder? Or am I missing something
Obviously the Jury decided based on the evidence.
He did bring her to the house, and he provided tape to tie her up or whatever.
So they felt he knew she was going to get assaulted/raped/killed.
I expect he'll be appealing.

Yeah I know that it’s just the actual act of murdering her I suppose, it seemed all Boy A
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Re: Anastasia Kriegel
« Reply #81 on: June 18, 2019, 09:16:39 PM »
Heart breaking story, RIP Ana

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Re: Anastasia Kriegel
« Reply #82 on: June 18, 2019, 09:18:36 PM »
"Never mind your why. Why ain't in your repetoire no more n***a"

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Re: Anastasia Kriegel
« Reply #83 on: June 18, 2019, 09:19:39 PM »
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-the-complete-story-1.3929570

This is not easy reading.

So how did Boy B get found guilty of murder as it just seems he was present at the murder? Or am I missing something
Obviously the Jury decided based on the evidence.
He did bring her to the house, and he provided tape to tie her up or whatever.
So they felt he knew she was going to get assaulted/raped/killed.
I expect he'll be appealing.

Yeah I know that it’s just the actual act of murdering her I suppose, it seemed all Boy A

You don't have to have struck any sort of physical wound to commit murder. The jury decided they were in on it together and it was premeditated.
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Re: Anastasia Kriegel
« Reply #85 on: June 19, 2019, 12:42:57 AM »
A very gut wrenching read. Very difficult for all 3 families involved.  I’ve an 11 year old daughter and 9 year old boy so this opens my eyes so much more to what/who’s out there.

I don’t have all the evidence but from this I really struggle to see how Boy B was found guilty of murder also.

Heartbreaking stuff.

RIP Ana

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Re: Anastasia Kriegel
« Reply #86 on: June 19, 2019, 01:14:58 AM »
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-the-complete-story-1.3929570

This is not easy reading.

So how did Boy B get found guilty of murder as it just seems he was present at the murder? Or am I missing something
Obviously the Jury decided based on the evidence.
He did bring her to the house, and he provided tape to tie her up or whatever.
So they felt he knew she was going to get assaulted/raped/killed.
I expect he'll be appealing.

Yeah I know that it’s just the actual act of murdering her I suppose, it seemed all Boy A

If you read the article it shows that boy A told boy B a month before the killing that he wanted to kill Ana. That is a major part of the reason why boy B was convicted.

For me I find it difficult to beleive that boy B would be stupid enough to call for Ana and bring her through the park in front of witnesses and cctv if he really thought Ana was going to be killed.

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Re: Anastasia Kriegel
« Reply #87 on: June 19, 2019, 06:44:55 AM »
Rough mess now the whole thing

Boy A case for me was simple, overwhelming evidence against him, his defence was terrible, should have plead guilty.

Dont know on Boy B.... defo guilty of a few very serious crimes but really I am not sure about murder.

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Re: Anastasia Kriegel
« Reply #88 on: June 19, 2019, 08:08:59 AM »
Rough mess now the whole thing

Boy A case for me was simple, overwhelming evidence against him, his defence was terrible, should have plead guilty.

Dont know on Boy B.... defo guilty of a few very serious crimes but really I am not sure about murder.
Could be wrong here Joe, but I don't think there is any benefit to the suspect for pleading guilty to murder in the ROI.
Secondly, I'm not sure what crimes you think boy B could be found guilty of other than murder. He was either going to get done for murder or nothing at all.

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Re: Anastasia Kriegel
« Reply #89 on: June 19, 2019, 09:24:07 AM »
Irish Times article makes clear that there is no discount for pleading guilty as sentence for murder is mandatory life. Hence many evidently guilty people with what would appear to be little hope of getting off will plead not guilty on the hope of some sort of technicality or legal quirk will set them free.

However mandatory life isn't possible under the Children's Act I understand, so be very interesting to see what happens at sentencing.
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