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Re: Paddy Jackson apology
« Reply #360 on: April 15, 2018, 10:53:23 AM »
Paddy Jackson for Clermont according to the Sunday Times.

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« Reply #361 on: April 15, 2018, 10:56:44 AM »
Paddy Jackson for Clermont according to the Sunday Times.

Olding to Exeter.

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« Reply #362 on: April 15, 2018, 11:07:40 AM »
Just something that popped into my head regarding the key difference in the Robert Howard and Robert Black trials. No evidence on Black for the Curdy murder really, yet his past was the reason he was convicted. Jury in Howards trial were not allowed to be told of his previous murder convictions though and he got off.

That's correct. Was strange the Black trial but verdict 100% right imo. Don't think there was a child murder of that nature before for decades here or since and he was in area at the time. Wicked individual.

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« Reply #363 on: April 15, 2018, 11:47:54 AM »
Paddy Jackson for Clermont according to the Sunday Times.

Olding to Exeter.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-5616367/Paddy-Jackson-struggles-new-club-despite-cut-price-deal.html#comments-5616367

The 25-cap No 10 has also been touted around France, but several English clubs have already turned down his services.

‘Even though he was found not guilty, it would take a brave club to sign him,’ one director of rugby told the Mail on Sunday.

‘He’s been offered everywhere but a family club wouldn’t want to be associated with those messages
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« Reply #364 on: April 15, 2018, 11:55:47 AM »
Just something that popped into my head regarding the key difference in the Robert Howard and Robert Black trials. No evidence on Black for the Curdy murder really, yet his past was the reason he was convicted. Jury in Howards trial were not allowed to be told of his previous murder convictions though and he got off.

That's correct. Was strange the Black trial but verdict 100% right imo. Don't think there was a child murder of that nature before for decades here or since and he was in area at the time. Wicked individual.

In addition to what BCBhas said There are ways for the prosecution to adduce defendants bad character. Without getting into technical details the convictions they have to adduce must be either similar fact convictions ie convictions for the same or similar offences and with the same or similar circumstances or they must show that the defendant has a propensity to commit this type of offence for example if they are a notorious shoplifter. The evidence will be kept from the jury except in those three scenarios on the basis that the jury should try the case on the basis of the evidence in a particular trial and not on the basis of what's been done previously.

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« Reply #365 on: April 15, 2018, 12:41:55 PM »
Just something that popped into my head regarding the key difference in the Robert Howard and Robert Black trials. No evidence on Black for the Curdy murder really, yet his past was the reason he was convicted. Jury in Howards trial were not allowed to be told of his previous murder convictions though and he got off.

That's correct. Was strange the Black trial but verdict 100% right imo. Don't think there was a child murder of that nature before for decades here or since and he was in area at the time. Wicked individual.

In addition to what BCBhas said There are ways for the prosecution to adduce defendants bad character. Without getting into technical details the convictions they have to adduce must be either similar fact convictions ie convictions for the same or similar offences and with the same or similar circumstances or they must show that the defendant has a propensity to commit this type of offence for example if they are a notorious shoplifter. The evidence will be kept from the jury except in those three scenarios on the basis that the jury should try the case on the basis of the evidence in a particular trial and not on the basis of what's been done previously.

Howard had previous convictions of a similar nature to what he was accused with regard to Arkinson, but it wasnt allowed to be revealed in court. On the flip side though, i know that Black was an evil sc**bag but the logic applied for his conviction doesnt sit well with me either. Surely there is a higher threshold of evidence required for a murder conviction than the fact he was in that town on the day of the murder.
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« Reply #366 on: April 15, 2018, 12:56:04 PM »
Paddy Jackson for Clermont according to the Sunday Times.

Olding to Exeter.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-5616367/Paddy-Jackson-struggles-new-club-despite-cut-price-deal.html#comments-5616367

The 25-cap No 10 has also been touted around France, but several English clubs have already turned down his services.

‘Even though he was found not guilty, it would take a brave club to sign him,’ one director of rugby told the Mail on Sunday.

‘He’s been offered everywhere but a family club wouldn’t want to be associated with those messages

Clermont must not be a family club
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« Reply #367 on: April 15, 2018, 01:08:45 PM »
So all the clubs that had no interest in them are family clubs?

Must have been an awful weekend for you seeing your heroes being forced to emigrate due to their own actions.

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« Reply #368 on: April 15, 2018, 01:12:16 PM »
Jackson to Wasps would be very appropriate - he's an irritating little pest who you'd love to see get swatted, and the best thing for it is for him to be sent to Coventry.



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« Reply #369 on: April 15, 2018, 02:21:36 PM »
So all the clubs that had no interest in them are family clubs?

Must have been an awful weekend for you seeing your heroes being forced to emigrate due to their own actions.

You must be 12 if you still look at sports men as hero’s! The only hero’s I like are in a tin box! The sweetie variety..

You must have 2 computers going now!  :)
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« Reply #370 on: April 15, 2018, 03:53:34 PM »
Just something that popped into my head regarding the key difference in the Robert Howard and Robert Black trials. No evidence on Black for the Curdy murder really, yet his past was the reason he was convicted. Jury in Howards trial were not allowed to be told of his previous murder convictions though and he got off.

That's correct. Was strange the Black trial but verdict 100% right imo. Don't think there was a child murder of that nature before for decades here or since and he was in area at the time. Wicked individual.

In addition to what BCBhas said There are ways for the prosecution to adduce defendants bad character. Without getting into technical details the convictions they have to adduce must be either similar fact convictions ie convictions for the same or similar offences and with the same or similar circumstances or they must show that the defendant has a propensity to commit this type of offence for example if they are a notorious shoplifter. The evidence will be kept from the jury except in those three scenarios on the basis that the jury should try the case on the basis of the evidence in a particular trial and not on the basis of what's been done previously.

Howard had previous convictions of a similar nature to what he was accused with regard to Arkinson, but it wasnt allowed to be revealed in court. On the flip side though, i know that Black was an evil sc**bag but the logic applied for his conviction doesnt sit well with me either. Surely there is a higher threshold of evidence required for a murder conviction than the fact he was in that town on the day of the murder.

Evidence plenty if you study the case

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« Reply #371 on: April 15, 2018, 04:22:02 PM »
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What is annoying (slightly) is the bandwagon vegan treehuggers feminists crowd who have become a ‘movement’ and refused to accept the rule of law and using this high profile case as a platform to make news and ‘educate’ men .. they’d do well to protest at such tv programmes like Ex on the beach, Geordie shore, love island! The tr**p talk from the women on those shows is a lot worse.. ........
It isn't so much that things slightly annoy you, it's more that you get (interminably) annoyed by the slightest things and go on and on  ::)
You appear have an existence littered with misfortune, not only being constantly annoyed over this and that event in society, sneering at one and all but also (according your account) accidentally landing face to face with such pulp tv content, but to the extent that you took notes and have opinions. ;D

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« Reply #372 on: April 15, 2018, 05:19:51 PM »
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What is annoying (slightly) is the bandwagon vegan treehuggers feminists crowd who have become a ‘movement’ and refused to accept the rule of law and using this high profile case as a platform to make news and ‘educate’ men .. they’d do well to protest at such tv programmes like Ex on the beach, Geordie shore, love island! The tr**p talk from the women on those shows is a lot worse.. ........
It isn't so much that things slightly annoy you, it's more that you get (interminably) annoyed by the slightest things and go on and on  ::)
You appear have an existence littered with misfortune, not only being constantly annoyed over this and that event in society, sneering at one and all but also (according your account) accidentally landing face to face with such pulp tv content, but to the extent that you took notes and have opinions. ;D

Eh? Opinions are like arseholes everyone has one..

You’re not immune to talking shit, and if you take things too serious on here then you need your head looked at!
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« Reply #373 on: April 15, 2018, 06:46:02 PM »
Just something that popped into my head regarding the key difference in the Robert Howard and Robert Black trials. No evidence on Black for the Curdy murder really, yet his past was the reason he was convicted. Jury in Howards trial were not allowed to be told of his previous murder convictions though and he got off.

That's correct. Was strange the Black trial but verdict 100% right imo. Don't think there was a child murder of that nature before for decades here or since and he was in area at the time. Wicked individual.

In addition to what BCBhas said There are ways for the prosecution to adduce defendants bad character. Without getting into technical details the convictions they have to adduce must be either similar fact convictions ie convictions for the same or similar offences and with the same or similar circumstances or they must show that the defendant has a propensity to commit this type of offence for example if they are a notorious shoplifter. The evidence will be kept from the jury except in those three scenarios on the basis that the jury should try the case on the basis of the evidence in a particular trial and not on the basis of what's been done previously.

Howard had previous convictions of a similar nature to what he was accused with regard to Arkinson, but it wasnt allowed to be revealed in court. On the flip side though, i know that Black was an evil sc**bag but the logic applied for his conviction doesnt sit well with me either. Surely there is a higher threshold of evidence required for a murder conviction than the fact he was in that town on the day of the murder.

Evidence plenty if you study the case

Was the receipt not the key evidence though?
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« Reply #374 on: April 15, 2018, 07:00:39 PM »
Just something that popped into my head regarding the key difference in the Robert Howard and Robert Black trials. No evidence on Black for the Curdy murder really, yet his past was the reason he was convicted. Jury in Howards trial were not allowed to be told of his previous murder convictions though and he got off.

That's correct. Was strange the Black trial but verdict 100% right imo. Don't think there was a child murder of that nature before for decades here or since and he was in area at the time. Wicked individual.

In addition to what BCBhas said There are ways for the prosecution to adduce defendants bad character. Without getting into technical details the convictions they have to adduce must be either similar fact convictions ie convictions for the same or similar offences and with the same or similar circumstances or they must show that the defendant has a propensity to commit this type of offence for example if they are a notorious shoplifter. The evidence will be kept from the jury except in those three scenarios on the basis that the jury should try the case on the basis of the evidence in a particular trial and not on the basis of what's been done previously.

Howard had previous convictions of a similar nature to what he was accused with regard to Arkinson, but it wasnt allowed to be revealed in court. On the flip side though, i know that Black was an evil sc**bag but the logic applied for his conviction doesnt sit well with me either. Surely there is a higher threshold of evidence required for a murder conviction than the fact he was in that town on the day of the murder.

Evidence plenty if you study the case

Was the receipt not the key evidence though?

was total circumstantial but pointed to guilt beyond reasonable doubt.