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Re: Football qualifier route 2018
« Reply #300 on: June 12, 2018, 10:26:23 PM »
Can anyone explain to me the logic of round 1 & 2 of the qualifiers being unresticted with teams able to meet who played in the provincials while round 3 will be restricted??

So if both Tyrone and Monaghan get through they can't meet, Same with Armagh and Monaghan.

It makes little sense to have rounds 1/2 restricted while 3/4 are not.


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Re: Football qualifier route 2018
« Reply #301 on: June 12, 2018, 10:29:50 PM »
I'd say cavan would prefer Brewster, played a lot games there over the years.

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« Reply #302 on: June 12, 2018, 10:30:56 PM »
I'd say cavan would prefer Brewster, played a lot games there over the years.

I'd imagine it's 100% their call so that has to be it along with the possibility of Clones being a no go before the U final.

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Re: Football qualifier route 2018
« Reply #303 on: June 12, 2018, 10:46:38 PM »
Can anyone explain to me the logic of round 1 & 2 of the qualifiers being unresticted with teams able to meet who played in the provincials while round 3 will be restricted??

So if both Tyrone and Monaghan get through they can't meet, Same with Armagh and Monaghan.

It makes little sense to have rounds 1/2 restricted while 3/4 are not.

Yeah ridiculous. And if mayo make it to round 4 and Rosc beat Galway we wont be able to have a second cut at them.

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« Reply #304 on: June 12, 2018, 11:22:23 PM »
Yeah ridiculous. And if mayo make it to round 4 and Rosc beat Galway we wont be able to have a second cut at them.

To my knowledge there's nothing stopping Mayo being drawn in the same group as the Connaught winner in the Super 8's should you get there. Even if Galway lose that final and win their R4 game you can be in there with them.

Presuming Mayo get to the Super 8....

There's a 50/50 chance you'll be in with Galway if they win the final
There's a 1/3 chance you'd be in with Galway if they lose the final and win round 4.

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« Reply #305 on: June 13, 2018, 12:12:19 AM »
Football rankings from Laoisman11 on Boards.ie

It seems Armagh and Laois should be well matched, but we should beat Sligo.



Δ RankTeamRatingΔ Rating
1 = Dublin 108.64 0.00
2 = Galway 103.87 0.00
3 ▲ 2 Tyrone 97.88 0.16
4 Monaghan 97.76 0.00
5 Kerry 97.73 0.00
6 = Mayo 93.93 0.00
7 Donegal 92.94 1.39
8 Roscommon 92.86 0.00
9 = Fermanagh 91.03 0.00
10 = Cork 89.40 0.00
11 = Armagh 87.31 2.06
12 Laois 87.09 2.71
13 Clare 84.47 0.00
14 = Longford 83.40 0.00
15 = Cavan 83.10 0.00
16 ▲ 4 Kildare 82.12 4.36
17 Meath 80.34 -0.16
18 ▼ 2 Carlow 80.22 -2.71
19 ▼ 2 Down 79.78 -1.39
20 Tipperary 78.86 0.00
21 = Sligo 76.19 0.00
22 ▲ 2 Offaly 73.16 3.53
23 = Westmeath 72.05 -2.06
24 ▼ 2 Derry 69.95 -4.36
25 ▲ 3 Louth 66.88 2.22
26 = Leitrim 66.82 0.00
27 ▼ 2 Antrim 65.86 -3.53
28 ▲ 3 Waterford 63.00 5.43
29 ▼ 2 Wexford 61.28 -5.43
30 Limerick 60.90 0.00
31 Wicklow 60.71 0.00
32 = New York 55.07 0.00
33 = London 51.85 -2.22
« Last Edit: June 13, 2018, 12:17:06 AM by armaghniac »
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Re: Football qualifier route 2018
« Reply #306 on: June 13, 2018, 09:15:04 AM »
I'd say cavan would prefer Brewster, played a lot games there over the years.
There's no other ground in Cavan that could have been used instead of taking it to Enniskillen?

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Re: Football qualifier route 2018
« Reply #307 on: June 13, 2018, 11:57:46 AM »
Football rankings from Laoisman11 on Boards.ie

It seems Armagh and Laois should be well matched, but we should beat Sligo.



Δ RankTeamRatingΔ Rating
1 = Dublin 108.64 0.00
2 = Galway 103.87 0.00
3 ▲ 2 Tyrone 97.88 0.16
4 Monaghan 97.76 0.00
5 Kerry 97.73 0.00
6 = Mayo 93.93 0.00
7 Donegal 92.94 1.39
8 Roscommon 92.86 0.00
9 = Fermanagh 91.03 0.00
10 = Cork 89.40 0.00
11 = Armagh 87.31 2.06
12 Laois 87.09 2.71
13 Clare 84.47 0.00
14 = Longford 83.40 0.00
15 = Cavan 83.10 0.00
16 ▲ 4 Kildare 82.12 4.36
17 Meath 80.34 -0.16
18 ▼ 2 Carlow 80.22 -2.71
19 ▼ 2 Down 79.78 -1.39
20 Tipperary 78.86 0.00
21 = Sligo 76.19 0.00
22 ▲ 2 Offaly 73.16 3.53
23 = Westmeath 72.05 -2.06
24 ▼ 2 Derry 69.95 -4.36
25 ▲ 3 Louth 66.88 2.22
26 = Leitrim 66.82 0.00
27 ▼ 2 Antrim 65.86 -3.53
28 ▲ 3 Waterford 63.00 5.43
29 ▼ 2 Wexford 61.28 -5.43
30 Limerick 60.90 0.00
31 Wicklow 60.71 0.00
32 = New York 55.07 0.00
33 = London 51.85 -2.22


Wow - Tipperary are really in the wrong place by a good bit in this chart.

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Re: Football qualifier route 2018
« Reply #308 on: June 13, 2018, 12:36:51 PM »
A lot of teams don't stack up on it. Cavan at No 15 despite promotion to Div 1. Laois 12 despite spending this year in Div 4, Kildare 16 despite playing in Div 1 all year and as you said Tipp.

Whatever mathematical equation he is using it isnt giving an accurate summary of the state of play imo.

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Re: Football qualifier route 2018
« Reply #309 on: June 13, 2018, 12:40:28 PM »
London below NY...  :o
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« Reply #310 on: June 13, 2018, 12:49:46 PM »
Load of balls.
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« Reply #311 on: June 13, 2018, 12:50:58 PM »
If people insist on a ranking system I would prefer it if they just started with a clean slate
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Re: Football qualifier route 2018
« Reply #312 on: June 13, 2018, 01:07:09 PM »
How many matches would Armagh need to win to get to the Super 8? Would that be three since the provincial finalist losers need to be added to the mix?

3 more

While this possible, you could beat Sligo, Louth and Lapis say, I'm not sure it would be entirely a good thing. Although you'd have one big game in Armagh.

I agree that we could get exposed in the Super8s but if we want to bridge the gap we need games.

Luck of the draw will play an important factor in the length of our season. We should beat Sligo and really hope we can miss some of the big guns in the following round because them aside there is not a terrible lot likely to come at us that you would be afraid of

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« Reply #313 on: June 13, 2018, 01:10:23 PM »
A lot of teams don't stack up on it. Cavan at No 15 despite promotion to Div 1. Laois 12 despite spending this year in Div 4, Kildare 16 despite playing in Div 1 all year and as you said Tipp.

Whatever mathematical equation he is using it isnt giving an accurate summary of the state of play imo.

It is not only based on the last game, but on a period of time, and Laois would have benefitted from winning Div 4.
I'd say that Tipperary are a bit out of place, but they may not recover if Mayo beat them.
NY are above London because they only lost one game, so this is a complete outlier as NY don't play any other games.

The GAA knockout format makes a ranking hard, a team could win three games against middle of the road opposition and improve its ranking, as  Armagh did last year.
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« Reply #314 on: June 13, 2018, 01:23:10 PM »
I'd say cavan would prefer Brewster, played a lot games there over the years.
There's no other ground in Cavan that could have been used instead of taking it to Enniskillen?

Kingscourt has previously held league games in the past however with all these silly new H&S rules it is nearly impossible to host a game in a club ground if you get more than 5k at it. No more than in Sligo, you wouldnt be anywhere near able to host a championship game in Enniscrone or Tubbercurry