Poll

Having heard snippets of the evidence and read half-baked court reports, what do you think will happen?

Defendants are innocent and will be found not guilty
61 (35.9%)
Defendants are innocent and will be found guilty
0 (0%)
Defendants are guilty and will be found guilty
7 (4.1%)
Defendants are guilty and will be found not guilty
47 (27.6%)
Some defendants will be found guilty, some found not guilty
18 (10.6%)
Don't know
37 (21.8%)

Total Members Voted: 170

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macdanger2

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Ulster Rugby Trial - Poll
« on: March 22, 2018, 09:46:53 PM »
New thread to see what people think believe happened on the night and what will happen with the verdict. Keep discussion to the main thread

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Re: Ulster Rugby Trial - Poll
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2018, 09:55:06 PM »
It's like an episode of Eastenders.

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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2018, 10:01:26 PM »
Why is there not a 'don't know' option because I really don't know. Also there are 4 separate individuals being tried. I'm not actually sure a poll is a great idea on this.

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2018, 10:04:57 PM »
Surprising results so far!
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2018, 10:23:28 PM »
There should be a Schrodinger's Cat option.

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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2018, 10:39:48 PM »
Well the one thing we've (almost) all agreed on is that they get off be found not guilty.

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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2018, 10:53:50 PM »
Three sets of jury’s and it’s a simple case by the looks of it
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2018, 11:58:25 PM »
Is this  thread contempt of court?  ;)
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2018, 07:28:29 AM »
Well it shows Syferus has 3 accounts going
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2018, 08:55:58 AM »
I'm just surprised that everyone didn't tick "Don't Know"

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2018, 09:06:58 AM »
I'm just surprised that everyone didn't tick "Don't Know"

I dont think what happened was planned nor the norm, I think it was going a certain direction and then escalated and its got to the point were it was impossible to go back to the start and reset...A very costly (in all manners) situation will have no winners here..

Hopefully the jury will have not listened to the stuff on social media, though i doubt it very much, I hope they make their call based on the facts they have heard and not the ramblings of the fireside lawyers (barring the couple on here who are from the legal profession, not you Syferus)

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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2018, 09:26:46 AM »
I'm just surprised that everyone didn't tick "Don't Know"

I dont think what happened was planned nor the norm, I think it was going a certain direction and then escalated and its got to the point were it was impossible to go back to the start and reset...A very costly (in all manners) situation will have no winners here..

Hopefully the jury will have not listened to the stuff on social media, though i doubt it very much, I hope they make their call based on the facts they have heard and not the ramblings of the fireside lawyers (barring the couple on here who are from the legal profession, not you Syferus)

A good friend of mine who is an actual solicitor told me that juries normally get it right.  Let's hope so in this case.

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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2018, 09:36:47 AM »
I'm just surprised that everyone didn't tick "Don't Know"

I dont think what happened was planned nor the norm, I think it was going a certain direction and then escalated and its got to the point were it was impossible to go back to the start and reset...A very costly (in all manners) situation will have no winners here..

Hopefully the jury will have not listened to the stuff on social media, though i doubt it very much, I hope they make their call based on the facts they have heard and not the ramblings of the fireside lawyers (barring the couple on here who are from the legal profession, not you Syferus)

A good friend of mine who is an actual solicitor told me that juries normally get it right.  Let's hope so in this case.
I said that on the main thread. Whatever decision the jury makes is the right one generally as unlike us they have listened to all the evidence and can make a clear and informed decision. Rare that a guilty man gets off or an innocent man convicted

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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2018, 09:38:04 AM »
I'm just surprised that everyone didn't tick "Don't Know"

I dont think what happened was planned nor the norm, I think it was going a certain direction and then escalated and its got to the point were it was impossible to go back to the start and reset...A very costly (in all manners) situation will have no winners here..

Hopefully the jury will have not listened to the stuff on social media, though i doubt it very much, I hope they make their call based on the facts they have heard and not the ramblings of the fireside lawyers (barring the couple on here who are from the legal profession, not you Syferus)

A good friend of mine who is an actual solicitor told me that juries normally get it right.  Let's hope so in this case.
I said that on the main thread. Whatever decision the jury makes is the right one generally as unlike us they have listened to all the evidence and can make a clear and informed decision. Rare that a guilty man gets off or an innocent man convicted


How do you know though?

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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2018, 10:18:48 AM »
I'm just surprised that everyone didn't tick "Don't Know"

I dont think what happened was planned nor the norm, I think it was going a certain direction and then escalated and its got to the point were it was impossible to go back to the start and reset...A very costly (in all manners) situation will have no winners here..

Hopefully the jury will have not listened to the stuff on social media, though i doubt it very much, I hope they make their call based on the facts they have heard and not the ramblings of the fireside lawyers (barring the couple on here who are from the legal profession, not you Syferus)

A good friend of mine who is an actual solicitor told me that juries normally get it right.  Let's hope so in this case.
I said that on the main thread. Whatever decision the jury makes is the right one generally as unlike us they have listened to all the evidence and can make a clear and informed decision. Rare that a guilty man gets off or an innocent man convicted


How do you know though?

Experience, having seen the system in operation, the amount of appeals that are unsuccessful as opposed to successful. For a crown court case to be appealed on the conviction there has to be a point of law. That is very difficult to do as what that generally means is that a judge had erred in their charge and directions or in some legal argument that has not been seen by the jury. This is always possible but not often. The reality is that for a case to get to trial there has to be a significant amount of hoops and loops that need to be gone through. That doesn’t mean though that there are all bankers for guilty. In a PE all that has to be shown is that there is a prima facie case....on the face of it a crime occurred and the people charged with it are responsible for it. This is a low bar in terms of proving there are charges to be answered and it is rare for a case to be thrown out at PE stage. The other thing is a trial like this one is a ‘celebrity ‘ one and will be covered wall to wall. If you go down the Magistrates Court innthe north or the district court in the south there are hundreds of cases being dealt with on a daily basis in each court. 95% of those will end up with a guilty plea.