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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #3450 on: April 01, 2018, 04:08:20 PM »
Holy $hit.....some proper two baggers  at the protest marches

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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #3451 on: April 01, 2018, 06:41:21 PM »
Holy $hit.....some proper two baggers  at the protest marches

Two baggers??

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« Reply #3452 on: April 01, 2018, 06:57:11 PM »
Holy $hit.....some proper two baggers  at the protest marches

Two baggers??

One for her head and one for yours.
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« Reply #3453 on: April 02, 2018, 02:32:32 PM »
Major change in policy for UK's biggest police force:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/it-isnt-all-about-victims-met-police-to-abandon-practice-of-believing-all-sex-assault-complaints-a3803791.html

Also Chief prosecutor in England & Wales, Alison Saunders, to stand down after 'disastrous' tenure at CPS when sex crimes and their prosecution have come under the microscope.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/alison-saunders-public-prosecutions-dpp-leave-stand-down-cps-controversy-rape-trials-a8284486.html

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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #3454 on: April 02, 2018, 02:37:58 PM »
Holy $hit.....some proper two baggers  at the protest marches

Two baggers??

One for her head and one for yours.

Do you find these lame jokes funny? Youíre basically Tony Feron without a hardon for bishops.


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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #3456 on: April 02, 2018, 02:46:20 PM »
Holy $hit.....some proper two baggers  at the protest marches

Two baggers??

One for her head and one for yours.

Do you find these lame jokes funny? Youíre basically Tony Feron without a hardon for bishops.

And you're basically a Tony F spouting shite on every thread. At least Fearon stuck to the bishops.
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« Reply #3457 on: April 02, 2018, 03:18:16 PM »
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/rugby-rape-trial-witness-dara-florence-turned-down-big-cash-offers-to-sell-story-36761928.html

When that evidence is seen as the key corroborating evidence for the prosecution you seriously have to question why they called her as a witness at all. Thatís the sort of evidence the defence would have used! 

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« Reply #3458 on: April 02, 2018, 03:20:22 PM »
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/rugby-rape-trial-witness-dara-florence-turned-down-big-cash-offers-to-sell-story-36761928.html

When that evidence is seen as the key corroborating evidence for the prosecution you seriously have to question why they called her as a witness at all. Thatís the sort of evidence the defence would have used!

I was thinking something similar although it's somewhat presumptuous of the Belfast telegraph to assume this was the turning point. May have been but not guaranteed.

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« Reply #3459 on: April 02, 2018, 03:32:53 PM »
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/rugby-rape-trial-witness-dara-florence-turned-down-big-cash-offers-to-sell-story-36761928.html

When that evidence is seen as the key corroborating evidence for the prosecution you seriously have to question why they called her as a witness at all. Thatís the sort of evidence the defence would have used!

I was thinking something similar although it's somewhat presumptuous of the Belfast telegraph to assume this was the turning point. May have been but not guaranteed.

Thatís as much to sensationalise it more than anything. I honestly would question the validity in taking this prosecution in the first place. The complainants story was inconsistent, no medical evidence whatsoever of vaginal sex, the only physical evidence of note was some blood and a small cut which could be very easily explained through the fact that Jackson said he put his fingers inside her, the main corroborating witness openly stating that the complainant did not seem in distress and that Olding had his hands on his own legs when he was receiving oral sex, to my mind that all adds up to a very weak prosecution case and when it comes down to a Ďhe said she saidí then it is nearly impossible to convict.

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« Reply #3460 on: April 02, 2018, 03:55:19 PM »
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/rugby-rape-trial-witness-dara-florence-turned-down-big-cash-offers-to-sell-story-36761928.html

When that evidence is seen as the key corroborating evidence for the prosecution you seriously have to question why they called her as a witness at all. Thatís the sort of evidence the defence would have used!

I was thinking something similar although it's somewhat presumptuous of the Belfast telegraph to assume this was the turning point. May have been but not guaranteed.

Thatís as much to sensationalise it more than anything. I honestly would question the validity in taking this prosecution in the first place. The complainants story was inconsistent, no medical evidence whatsoever of vaginal sex, the only physical evidence of note was some blood and a small cut which could be very easily explained through the fact that Jackson said he put his fingers inside her, the main corroborating witness openly stating that the complainant did not seem in distress and that Olding had his hands on his own legs when he was receiving oral sex, to my mind that all adds up to a very weak prosecution case and when it comes down to a Ďhe said she saidí then it is nearly impossible to convict.

That coupled with the decision to persue a charge of vaginal rape against Olding at least to arraignment does raise serious questions. Of course we have the beauty of hindsight here and don't know what if any evidence wasn't available/admissible at least the trial. That coupled with a complainant who seemed credible and may have been keen to proceed might explain the bringing of the prosecution. It may have looked a strong case on paper.

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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #3461 on: April 02, 2018, 04:04:57 PM »
Holy $hit.....some proper two baggers  at the protest marches

Two baggers??

One for her head and one for yours.

Do you find these lame jokes funny? Youíre basically Tony Feron without a hardon for bishops.

FFS will uou lighten up.......Id bet 90% of fellas were thinking exactly the same thing

You can wrap yourself in sheeps wool if you were triggered by my comment

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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #3462 on: April 02, 2018, 04:09:11 PM »
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What exactly was the judiciary supposed to do about the vaginal charge for Olding? How was it sloppy work?

Drop the charge I would have thought. It really depends how late they knew they wouldnít be presenting a case to prosecute it no?

Since writing the blog I think what happened is the girl wasnít sure if Olding had vaginal sex with her. She said she was face down so couldnít be sure.

Guess it depends on the timeline of finding that out.

But that's nothing to do with the judiciary. The decision of what charges to bring is the sole preserve of the PPS. Once Olding entered a not guilty plea to the charge at arraignment (and I imagine there must have been some evidence to ground that charge at that stage) the only way it could have played out is exactly how it did.

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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #3463 on: April 02, 2018, 04:17:58 PM »
Capera

What exactly was the judiciary supposed to do about the vaginal charge for Olding? How was it sloppy work?

Drop the charge I would have thought. It really depends how late they knew they wouldnít be presenting a case to prosecute it no?

Since writing the blog I think what happened is the girl wasnít sure if Olding had vaginal sex with her. She said she was face down so couldnít be sure.

Guess it depends on the timeline of finding that out.

But that's nothing to do with the judiciary. The decision of what charges to bring is the sole preserve of the PPS. Once Olding entered a not guilty plea to the charge at arraignment (and I imagine there must have been some evidence to ground that charge at that stage) the only way it could have played out is exactly how it did.

Of course. Iím wrong.

WTF? You know how the gaaboard works?
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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #3464 on: April 02, 2018, 04:34:38 PM »
Capera

What exactly was the judiciary supposed to do about the vaginal charge for Olding? How was it sloppy work?

Drop the charge I would have thought. It really depends how late they knew they wouldnít be presenting a case to prosecute it no?

Since writing the blog I think what happened is the girl wasnít sure if Olding had vaginal sex with her. She said she was face down so couldnít be sure.

Guess it depends on the timeline of finding that out.

But that's nothing to do with the judiciary. The decision of what charges to bring is the sole preserve of the PPS. Once Olding entered a not guilty plea to the charge at arraignment (and I imagine there must have been some evidence to ground that charge at that stage) the only way it could have played out is exactly how it did.

Of course. Iím wrong.

WTF? You know how the gaaboard works?
;D I think it's a 1 day ban for admitting you are wrong. Nobody has even been banned.

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