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« Reply #2100 on: March 14, 2018, 11:19:02 AM »
What exactly is the allegation against Harrison I've yet to read what it is. Simply deleting messages without more is not a crime.

is he not charged with perverting the course of justice / withholding information or will these be dropped when the other three are aquitted?

See I don't know what the actual allegation is. The charge is committing an act likely to pervert the course of justice. Deleting texts could amount to that but deleting texts is not in and of itself a crime. I've yet to read what the evidence is that these texts were relevant to the alleged crime and/or they were deleted after he became aware or ought to have been aware that the texts may form evidence. I literally have no clue what the allegation against Harrison is either because I've missed it in reports or because it hasn't been reported.

I'd need to check this but I think the PSNI didn't actually take Harrison's phone until October 2016.  I think when he was asked to attend for interview he didn't bring his phone with him (not a crime in itself) but it was then that the cops found out about the deleted text messages and also that he had carried out some sort of factory setting reset on his phone in August (at least that's the allegation?).  He claims his phone had some sort of meltdown.  He didn't tell police about the "not consensual" text from the girl nor the texts and phone calls with McIlroy and I think he gave as little away as possible in his interviews ("Dad will know what to say").  But I agree there's been little detail of the case against Harrison, I suppose the media are concentrating on Jackson and Olding.

Harrison has been incredibly stupid here, but that's not a crime (if it was, I'd have spent large chunks of my life in clink :P)

You’ve covered up for people you were told were rapists? You have a very generous reading of what Harrison did and his maliciousness, to put it mildly.

Yes I totaly seen that in his post Syferus!!!

You see things in peoples posts which are not there and then berate them as if they are criminals! what a plonker
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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #2101 on: March 14, 2018, 11:46:19 AM »
Prosecution closing statement delayed for some reason.

Maybe Toby Hedworth QC caught reading the GAA Board looking for advice ;)

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« Reply #2102 on: March 14, 2018, 11:51:15 AM »
Prosecution closing statement delayed for some reason.

Maybe Toby Hedworth QC caught reading the GAA Board looking for advice ;)

Waiting for Syferus to provide him with further Advice on Proofs!!!

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« Reply #2103 on: March 14, 2018, 12:02:20 PM »
What exactly is the allegation against Harrison I've yet to read what it is. Simply deleting messages without more is not a crime.

is he not charged with perverting the course of justice / withholding information or will these be dropped when the other three are aquitted?

See I don't know what the actual allegation is. The charge is committing an act likely to pervert the course of justice. Deleting texts could amount to that but deleting texts is not in and of itself a crime. I've yet to read what the evidence is that these texts were relevant to the alleged crime and/or they were deleted after he became aware or ought to have been aware that the texts may form evidence. I literally have no clue what the allegation against Harrison is either because I've missed it in reports or because it hasn't been reported.

I'd need to check this but I think the PSNI didn't actually take Harrison's phone until October 2016.  I think when he was asked to attend for interview he didn't bring his phone with him (not a crime in itself) but it was then that the cops found out about the deleted text messages and also that he had carried out some sort of factory setting reset on his phone in August (at least that's the allegation?).  He claims his phone had some sort of meltdown.  He didn't tell police about the "not consensual" text from the girl nor the texts and phone calls with McIlroy and I think he gave as little away as possible in his interviews ("Dad will know what to say").  But I agree there's been little detail of the case against Harrison, I suppose the media are concentrating on Jackson and Olding.

Harrison has been incredibly stupid here, but that's not a crime (if it was, I'd have spent large chunks of my life in clink :P)

You’ve covered up for people you were told were rapists? You have a very generous reading of what Harrison did and his maliciousness, to put it mildly.

Yes I totaly seen that in his post Syferus!!!

You see things in peoples posts which are not there and then berate them as if they are criminals! what a plonker

your safer putting thon clown on Ignore list
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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #2104 on: March 14, 2018, 12:09:21 PM »
Jury sent home.  Back tomorrow morning

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« Reply #2105 on: March 14, 2018, 12:12:30 PM »
Jury sent home.  Back tomorrow morning

Is that strange? do they have to run their statements past the judge first ?
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« Reply #2106 on: March 14, 2018, 12:32:33 PM »
Jury sent home.  Back tomorrow morning

Is that strange? do they have to run their statements past the judge first ?
Haven't a clue what's going on MR2.  More legal argument maybe??

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« Reply #2107 on: March 14, 2018, 01:43:55 PM »
According to Frank Greaney, a legal issue has arisen.  This will have to be resolved by the judge before proceeding. Every one of these resolutions, there have been quite a few, will be examined later by defence as reasons for an appeal should their clients be found guilty.  Must be serious enough at this stage to suspend proceedings in a trial already running behind schedule.

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« Reply #2108 on: March 14, 2018, 07:29:08 PM »
Jury sent home.  Back tomorrow morning

Is that strange? do they have to run their statements past the judge first ?

No statements don't have to be run past the judge first. I'd be surprised if Harrison was tried simply as a tactic to try and crack the other boys. Hard to get past misjoinder or severance applications if that were the case. I can't help but feel there's probably that crucial bit i haven't read or hasn't been reported yet.

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« Reply #2109 on: March 15, 2018, 11:11:45 AM »
6 weeks or more of wading through evidence and legal argument, not to mention months of prepraring for the trial by numerous firms of solicitors and barristers mean that the costs bill is going to be a hefty one. Out of curiosity who is picking up the tab in the event of a win or a loss ?. Just asking.

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« Reply #2110 on: March 15, 2018, 11:35:36 AM »
6 weeks or more of wading through evidence and legal argument, not to mention months of prepraring for the trial by numerous firms of solicitors and barristers mean that the costs bill is going to be a hefty one. Out of curiosity who is picking up the tab in the event of a win or a loss ?. Just asking.
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« Reply #2111 on: March 15, 2018, 11:41:41 AM »
6 weeks or more of wading through evidence and legal argument, not to mention months of prepraring for the trial by numerous firms of solicitors and barristers mean that the costs bill is going to be a hefty one. Out of curiosity who is picking up the tab in the event of a win or a loss ?. Just asking.

Depending on whether some of the defendants have managed to get legal aid, wouldn't think Jackson and Olding would get it, they are responsible for their own legal costs for barristers and solicitors each running into tens of thousands. 4 barristers and 4 solicitors will lift a tidy sum for 6 weeks in court and all the time spent from arrest to court case beginning.

Cost of prosecution falls on the tax payer but if found guilty there is a nominal payment by defendants towards court costs.

Overall it has been an expensive trial. That doesn't include the cost of the jurors being out of their work for the whole time.

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« Reply #2112 on: March 15, 2018, 12:02:39 PM »
6 weeks or more of wading through evidence and legal argument, not to mention months of prepraring for the trial by numerous firms of solicitors and barristers mean that the costs bill is going to be a hefty one. Out of curiosity who is picking up the tab in the event of a win or a loss ?. Just asking.

Depending on whether some of the defendants have managed to get legal aid, wouldn't think Jackson and Olding would get it, they are responsible for their own legal costs for barristers and solicitors each running into tens of thousands. 4 barristers and 4 solicitors will lift a tidy sum for 6 weeks in court and all the time spent from arrest to court case beginning.

Cost of prosecution falls on the tax payer but if found guilty there is a nominal payment by defendants towards court costs.

Overall it has been an expensive trial. That doesn't include the cost of the jurors being out of their work for the whole time.

If Paddy Jackson has been suspended from his employers (I'm assuming) would he not be entitled to legal aid? Is it also common to bring prosecution barristers over from England?
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« Reply #2113 on: March 15, 2018, 12:17:18 PM »
Greaney's upped his game for the closing statements he's way more detailed and up to date than Cooney today!

Not much new or surprising coming from the prosecution closing statement. Do all 4 defending barristers give a closing statement?

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« Reply #2114 on: March 15, 2018, 12:26:47 PM »
Greaney's upped his game for the closing statements he's way more detailed and up to date than Cooney today!

Not much new or surprising coming from the prosecution closing statement. Do all 4 defending barristers give a closing statement?

No only Paddy Jackson’s as he is the main star of the show and whatever happens to him will have a huge bearing on how much news the other 3 get.