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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #870 on: February 16, 2018, 02:51:23 PM »
She said she 100% saw sex. She didn't walk up and specifically ensure and make note of his penis penetrating her vagina.

Was there not a mention of thrusting?

Even if there was? Would that prove penetration?
Beyond reasonable doubt........maybe.

Why would dry humping be less likely?
I don't have any statistics but I'd say if a heterosexual man is naked and a naked lady is in the position that this lady is alleged to have been in then the man is much, much, much more likely to have intercourse with her than to "dry hump" her. Now maybe the jury and the world at large think differently and maybe someone will give evidence of Jackson's love for dry humping. I doubt it though. If dry humping was his thing, he'd probably keep his clothes on, in case he got accused of rape or something.
He could have had a bit too much to drink and despite his best efforts, it was all he could muster.
So attempted rape perhaps?
I’m simply suggesting why he could be denying that he actually had sex with the girl when it appeared to the witness that he was.


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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #871 on: February 16, 2018, 02:55:52 PM »
Hardstation I actually was thinking that myself. Maybe....long night drinking, maybe wee PJ had no lead in his pencil. Was trying his best but as the crime is so specific then if there is no penile penetration then there is no rape, end of story. If he couldn’t get it up he cannot be convicted of it. The witness may think she has seen ‘sex’ but in the blink of an eye did she see what was actually happening....no. It is getting more difficult for the prosecution I feel.

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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #872 on: February 16, 2018, 03:44:09 PM »
PJ is denying there was any sex yet witness says she saw him  IP thrusting in sex movements. Did the witness say that she saw where both his hands were placed? Trying to look at the rationale of this and without being too graphic, is it outside the realms of possibility that there was no penile penetration by PJ but he was using his fingers/hand/fist? It might explain (1) why PJ is denying penile sex (2) the injuries to IP (im sure a rough fisting could do as much damage as rough sex. In a drunken/traumatic state and not facing away from PJ, the IP could have been mistaken into thinking it was his penis rather than hand/fist (no need for jokes about size etc)

Maybe clutching at straws but can't understand why PJ and witness could be contradictory otherwise.

If that is the case, is that still rape or just sexual assault?

Also, today's testimony from the policeman who interviewed Harrison and Harrison's statement appear to differ somewhat from the taxi driver account in terms of IP crying, Harrison's actions on phone etc.

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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #873 on: February 16, 2018, 03:48:02 PM »
Harrison is basically highlighting why he was charged with withholding information and obstructing justice. If you can’t put these pieces together and figure out something rotten happened there’s no convincing you.

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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #874 on: February 16, 2018, 03:52:59 PM »
Things are looking bad for Lying Paddy Jackson, Slithery Stuart Olding, Mendacious McIlroy and Tall Tales Harrison.

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« Reply #875 on: February 16, 2018, 03:54:53 PM »
Hardstation I actually was thinking that myself. Maybe....long night drinking, maybe wee PJ had no lead in his pencil. Was trying his best but as the crime is so specific then if there is no penile penetration then there is no rape, end of story. If he couldn’t get it up he cannot be convicted of it. The witness may think she has seen ‘sex’ but in the blink of an eye did she see what was actually happening....no. It is getting more difficult for the prosecution I feel.

Did the girl who glimpsed in the room not say she saw one hand on the IP's hip,but couldn't see the other?

There was also another statement from the IP to PJ about putting a condom on at least. She went for the morning after pill so she was convinced that penile penetration had occurred.

Paddy must have thick fingers.

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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #876 on: February 16, 2018, 03:58:40 PM »
Hardstation I actually was thinking that myself. Maybe....long night drinking, maybe wee PJ had no lead in his pencil. Was trying his best but as the crime is so specific then if there is no penile penetration then there is no rape, end of story. If he couldn’t get it up he cannot be convicted of it. The witness may think she has seen ‘sex’ but in the blink of an eye did she see what was actually happening....no. It is getting more difficult for the prosecution I feel.

Did the girl who glimpsed in the room not say she saw one hand on the IP's hip,but couldn't see the other?

There was also another statement from the IP to PJ about putting a condom on at least. She went for the morning after pill so she was convinced that penile penetration had occurred.

Paddy must have thick fingers.

May well all be true. Haven’t seen all the evidence. The reality is that medical evidence will be key here

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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #877 on: February 16, 2018, 06:03:22 PM »
She said she 100% saw sex. She didn't walk up and specifically ensure and make note of his penis penetrating her vagina.

Was there not a mention of thrusting?

Even if there was? Would that prove penetration?
Beyond reasonable doubt........maybe.

Why would dry humping be less likely?
I don't have any statistics but I'd say if a heterosexual man is naked and a naked lady is in the position that this lady is alleged to have been in then the man is much, much, much more likely to have intercourse with her than to "dry hump" her. Now maybe the jury and the world at large think differently and maybe someone will give evidence of Jackson's love for dry humping. I doubt it though. If dry humping was his thing, he'd probably keep his clothes on, in case he got accused of rape or something.
He could have had a bit too much to drink and despite his best efforts, it was all he could muster.
So attempted rape perhaps?


Or attempted dry humping?

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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #878 on: February 16, 2018, 07:51:58 PM »
Is there an age limit for GAA Board membership?

Wonder what 10 or 11 year old children make of all this content.

I’d be more interested in you responding to how you’d react if it was your daughter in the witness box and if you’d be so willing to demean her and make light of the situation.

Listen here Syferus son, you have issues.
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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #879 on: February 16, 2018, 08:01:41 PM »
Is there an age limit for GAA Board membership?

Wonder what 10 or 11 year old children make of all this content.

I’d be more interested in you responding to how you’d react if it was your daughter in the witness box and if you’d be so willing to demean her and make light of the situation.

Listen here Syferus son, you have issues.

Nice attempt to avoid the point. You told us enough about yourself with your silence so it doesn’t matter at this point.

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« Reply #880 on: February 16, 2018, 08:35:41 PM »
I think he threw the question back at you, would you be as quick to judge your own son if he found himself in same position..

I don’t think you answerd though
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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #881 on: February 16, 2018, 09:30:59 PM »
Is there an age limit for GAA Board membership?

Wonder what 10 or 11 year old children make of all this content.

I’d be more interested in you responding to how you’d react if it was your daughter in the witness box and if you’d be so willing to demean her and make light of the situation.

Listen here Syferus son, you have issues.

Nice attempt to avoid the point. You told us enough about yourself with your silence so it doesn’t matter at this point.

I don't have a daughter.

Hey, my dad died a few years ago, yet I regularly craic jokes about his death and funeral. Am I a very very very bad person in Syferus's book?
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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #882 on: February 16, 2018, 10:46:06 PM »
Probably a good time to close the thread....

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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #883 on: February 16, 2018, 11:03:39 PM »
Probably a good time to close the thread....

Why?
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Re: The ulster rugby trial
« Reply #884 on: February 16, 2018, 11:20:21 PM »
Sher aren't there 2 more weeks left?
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