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What is your preferred Football Championship format?

Current System
8 (7.8%)
Pre-2018 - Backdoor - No Super 8s
12 (11.7%)
Pre-2001 - Knock Out - No Backdoor
8 (7.8%)
Pre-2001 - Knock Out - No Backdoor - Enhanced League Programme
22 (21.4%)
Open Draw
23 (22.3%)
Tiered Championship
30 (29.1%)

Total Members Voted: 80

Voting closed: September 21, 2018, 11:39:28 AM

Author Topic: New Championship Format  (Read 1748 times)

sligoman2

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Re: New Championship Format
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2018, 12:41:27 PM »
I've said before and I still maintain that a second tier competition might succeed ONLY IF if the winners and possibly runners up re-enter the championship at the qf/ super 8  stage.
I used to be indecisive but now I'm not too sure.

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Re: New Championship Format
« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2018, 02:42:35 PM »
Might work.  An opportunity to play a final in front of a full house in Croke park might be enough of an inducement.  I'd like to see added that the winner plays in the upper tier competition the following season.

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Re: New Championship Format
« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2018, 03:02:33 PM »
Might work.  An opportunity to play a final in front of a full house in Croke park might be enough of an inducement.  I'd like to see added that the winner plays in the upper tier competition the following season.

This approach has failed in hurling, failed when we had the All-Ireland B title in the late 90'3 early '00's, failed with the Tommy Murphy Cups, why would it be a success now?

I would stick as is, no back door, just an open draw knockout competition once the prov champions have been completed.

FFS, a county has the chance to win
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Re: New Championship Format
« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2018, 03:26:38 PM »
Might work.  An opportunity to play a final in front of a full house in Croke park might be enough of an inducement.  I'd like to see added that the winner plays in the upper tier competition the following season.
It's still just a vague concept so hard to pass judgement until we see some definite proposal (s),.
Playing the Final as a curtain raiser to the Senior Final....Not much point if the competing Counties only get 2 or 3,000 tickets each.
If it's a stand alone competition called the (insert name of  famous Gael) Cup it will end like Tommy Murphy.

By the way Longford's Micky Quinn in favour of a second tier Championship.
2018- 2 Cupeens won, 2 to go.

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Re: New Championship Format
« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2018, 03:53:17 PM »
Dublin won the League & All-Ireland.

1st competitive game January, last competitive(oxymoron) game September.  It took 32 weeks to play out 16 games. Too long.

Top 12 teams in National League qualify automatically for AI.
4 winners of the provinces join them. If winner in top 12 runner-up joins them, if runner-up in top 12, 13th in league joins them, 14th and so on to 16th.

Jan- Feb (Only college football)

League runs Mar -April

National League Finals
May Bank Holiday Weekend
Provincial Finals
June Bank Holiday Weekend

All- Ireland Series 4 weekends in July

Clubs
April - July Club League
August - October Club Championships

November - December All-Ireland Clubs








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Re: New Championship Format
« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2018, 07:11:42 PM »
Dublin won the League & All-Ireland.

1st competitive game January, last competitive(oxymoron) game September.  It took 32 weeks to play out 16 games. Too long.

Top 12 teams in National League qualify automatically for AI.
4 winners of the provinces join them. If winner in top 12 runner-up joins them, if runner-up in top 12, 13th in league joins them, 14th and so on to 16th.

Jan- Feb (Only college football)

League runs Mar -April

National League Finals
May Bank Holiday Weekend
Provincial Finals
June Bank Holiday Weekend

All- Ireland Series 4 weekends in July

Clubs
April - July Club League
August - October Club Championships

November - December All-Ireland Clubs
The timings arenít that different than what we have now are they?

What happens the other 16 counties after the league?

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Re: New Championship Format
« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2018, 11:14:59 PM »
That was never a square ball!!

Dinny Breen

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Re: New Championship Format
« Reply #52 on: September 12, 2018, 07:30:02 AM »
Dublin won the League & All-Ireland.

1st competitive game January, last competitive(oxymoron) game September.  It took 32 weeks to play out 16 games. Too long.

Top 12 teams in National League qualify automatically for AI.
4 winners of the provinces join them. If winner in top 12 runner-up joins them, if runner-up in top 12, 13th in league joins them, 14th and so on to 16th.

Jan- Feb (Only college football)

League runs Mar -April

National League Finals
May Bank Holiday Weekend
Provincial Finals
June Bank Holiday Weekend

All- Ireland Series 4 weekends in July

Clubs
April - July Club League
August - October Club Championships

November - December All-Ireland Clubs
The timings arenít that different than what we have now are they?

What happens the other 16 counties after the league?

They play provincial Championship.
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Re: New Championship Format
« Reply #53 on: September 12, 2018, 11:37:04 AM »
Dublin won the League & All-Ireland.

1st competitive game January, last competitive(oxymoron) game September.  It took 32 weeks to play out 16 games. Too long.

Top 12 teams in National League qualify automatically for AI.
4 winners of the provinces join them. If winner in top 12 runner-up joins them, if runner-up in top 12, 13th in league joins them, 14th and so on to 16th.

Jan- Feb (Only college football)

League runs Mar -April

National League Finals
May Bank Holiday Weekend
Provincial Finals
June Bank Holiday Weekend

All- Ireland Series 4 weekends in July

Clubs
April - July Club League
August - October Club Championships

November - December All-Ireland Clubs
The timings arenít that different than what we have now are they?

What happens the other 16 counties after the league?

They play provincial Championship.
Ok and then they're finished?

What problem does your proposal solve that the current system doesn't?

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Re: New Championship Format
« Reply #54 on: September 12, 2018, 11:43:48 AM »
Dublin won the League & All-Ireland.

1st competitive game January, last competitive(oxymoron) game September.  It took 32 weeks to play out 16 games. Too long.

Top 12 teams in National League qualify automatically for AI.
4 winners of the provinces join them. If winner in top 12 runner-up joins them, if runner-up in top 12, 13th in league joins them, 14th and so on to 16th.

Jan- Feb (Only college football)

League runs Mar -April

National League Finals
May Bank Holiday Weekend
Provincial Finals
June Bank Holiday Weekend

All- Ireland Series 4 weekends in July

Clubs
April - July Club League
August - October Club Championships

November - December All-Ireland Clubs
The timings arenít that different than what we have now are they?

What happens the other 16 counties after the league?

They play provincial Championship.
Ok and then they're finished?

What problem does your proposal solve that the current system doesn't?

And the provincials become meaningless as the teams most likely to win them will already have qualified for the all Ireland anyway.

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Re: New Championship Format
« Reply #55 on: September 12, 2018, 11:45:11 AM »
Dublin won the League & All-Ireland.

1st competitive game January, last competitive(oxymoron) game September.  It took 32 weeks to play out 16 games. Too long.

Top 12 teams in National League qualify automatically for AI.
4 winners of the provinces join them. If winner in top 12 runner-up joins them, if runner-up in top 12, 13th in league joins them, 14th and so on to 16th.

Jan- Feb (Only college football)

League runs Mar -April

National League Finals
May Bank Holiday Weekend
Provincial Finals
June Bank Holiday Weekend

All- Ireland Series 4 weekends in July

Clubs
April - July Club League
August - October Club Championships

November - December All-Ireland Clubs
The timings arenít that different than what we have now are they?

What happens the other 16 counties after the league?

They play provincial Championship.
Ok and then they're finished?

What problem does your proposal solve that the current system doesn't?

That's it, no back door. Links league and championship and creates a meritocracy.

Condenses championship, frees up Jan/Feb for Colleges, guarantees August/Sept/Oct for all clubs.
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Re: New Championship Format
« Reply #56 on: September 12, 2018, 11:46:03 AM »
Dublin won the League & All-Ireland.

1st competitive game January, last competitive(oxymoron) game September.  It took 32 weeks to play out 16 games. Too long.

Top 12 teams in National League qualify automatically for AI.
4 winners of the provinces join them. If winner in top 12 runner-up joins them, if runner-up in top 12, 13th in league joins them, 14th and so on to 16th.

Jan- Feb (Only college football)

League runs Mar -April

National League Finals
May Bank Holiday Weekend
Provincial Finals
June Bank Holiday Weekend

All- Ireland Series 4 weekends in July

Clubs
April - July Club League
August - October Club Championships

November - December All-Ireland Clubs
The timings arenít that different than what we have now are they?

What happens the other 16 counties after the league?

They play provincial Championship.
Ok and then they're finished?

What problem does your proposal solve that the current system doesn't?

And the provincials become meaningless as the teams most likely to win them will already have qualified for the all Ireland anyway.

Not with an open draw.
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Redhand Santa

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Re: New Championship Format
« Reply #57 on: September 12, 2018, 01:36:32 PM »
Dublin won the League & All-Ireland.

1st competitive game January, last competitive(oxymoron) game September.  It took 32 weeks to play out 16 games. Too long.

Top 12 teams in National League qualify automatically for AI.
4 winners of the provinces join them. If winner in top 12 runner-up joins them, if runner-up in top 12, 13th in league joins them, 14th and so on to 16th.

Jan- Feb (Only college football)

League runs Mar -April

National League Finals
May Bank Holiday Weekend
Provincial Finals
June Bank Holiday Weekend

All- Ireland Series 4 weekends in July

Clubs
April - July Club League
August - October Club Championships

November - December All-Ireland Clubs
The timings arenít that different than what we have now are they?

What happens the other 16 counties after the league?

They play provincial Championship.
Ok and then they're finished?

What problem does your proposal solve that the current system doesn't?

And the provincials become meaningless as the teams most likely to win them will already have qualified for the all Ireland anyway.

Not with an open draw.

What difference would an open draw make? Either way if you finish top 12 in the league you qualify for the all Ireland knockout stages. This would make the provincial championships basically irrelevant for 12 teams.

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Re: New Championship Format
« Reply #58 on: September 12, 2018, 01:49:20 PM »
Dublin won the League & All-Ireland.

1st competitive game January, last competitive(oxymoron) game September.  It took 32 weeks to play out 16 games. Too long.

Top 12 teams in National League qualify automatically for AI.
4 winners of the provinces join them. If winner in top 12 runner-up joins them, if runner-up in top 12, 13th in league joins them, 14th and so on to 16th.

Jan- Feb (Only college football)

League runs Mar -April

National League Finals
May Bank Holiday Weekend
Provincial Finals
June Bank Holiday Weekend

All- Ireland Series 4 weekends in July

Clubs
April - July Club League
August - October Club Championships

November - December All-Ireland Clubs
I'd not automatically include the top 12 league teams in such a scenario, perhaps make it the top 6 in D1, top 4 in D2 and the winners of D3 and D4. If the provincial winners allow an extra team to be included in the 16 then the runner-up in D3 should be it. No point in rewarding the team who finish rock bottom in D1 with a place in such a format.

Also start the league in February as it is, even late January and get rid of the FBD League etc.

There may be merit in the provincial club championships being concluded in January, say the semi-finals and final, and carry on as before. Gives a bit more space in the late autumn and winter for counties to get everything completed without putting undue pressure on teams with midweek games or playing the final one day and provincial the next etc.