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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #2625 on: May 10, 2019, 05:32:09 PM »
The OO is already funded left, right and centre as are the hundreds of flute bands that stomp the streets every summer. I would not want that to change in a united Ireland. What I would expect to change would be the flag and anthem, though I don’t ever see there ever being any consensus there. Ulster Scots should also be looked after, in line with whatever demand there is to support it

What’s the point? New anthem and flag, Unionists will recognise neither because they won’t be in the union no more. Accepting those two things goes against everything a unionist stands for.

In the same way that nationalists wouldn’t recognise a new flag and anthem for NI because it goes against everything they stand for.
The point is accommodating unionists. I know fine rightly a lot of them won’t like it, and they’re welcome to move to Britain if it is that unbearable.

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« Reply #2626 on: May 10, 2019, 05:44:04 PM »
I know fine rightly a lot of them won’t like it, and they’re welcome to move to Britain if it is that unbearable.

Should that have been the attitude of Unionists towards nationalists?

"You're welcome to move down south if you find Northern Ireland so unbearable."

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« Reply #2627 on: May 10, 2019, 06:05:01 PM »
It was wasn't it?
A new All Ireland State = a new flag and anthem.
Probably  a Green flag with a red X on it  and "Our lovely Island" as the anthem.
A popular vote/plebiscite to decide.

If a minority in the North Eastern Area don't like the chosen flag and anthem....they're entitled to their opinion.
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« Reply #2628 on: May 10, 2019, 06:47:38 PM »
It was wasn't it?
A new All Ireland State = a new flag and anthem.
Probably  a Green flag with a red X on it

Ah Jaysus a green and red flag, let’s not go to ridiculous extremes here.

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« Reply #2629 on: May 10, 2019, 06:59:47 PM »
I know fine rightly a lot of them won’t like it, and they’re welcome to move to Britain if it is that unbearable.

Should that have been the attitude of Unionists towards nationalists?

"You're welcome to move down south if you find Northern Ireland so unbearable."

That kind of is the attitude in the more hardline ones...

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« Reply #2630 on: May 10, 2019, 07:29:48 PM »
It was wasn't it?
A new All Ireland State = a new flag and anthem.
Probably  a Green flag with a red X on it

Ah Jaysus a green and red flag, let’s not go to ridiculous extremes here.

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« Reply #2631 on: May 10, 2019, 08:04:25 PM »
I know fine rightly a lot of them won’t like it, and they’re welcome to move to Britain if it is that unbearable.

Should that have been the attitude of Unionists towards nationalists?

"You're welcome to move down south if you find Northern Ireland so unbearable."
Well the thing is, many people from the north *did* move, many were forced to do so.  That was and still is the attitude among some of the more loyal citizens in NI today. Luckily, Unionists will never have to face what Irish nationalists endured back when they ran the show in the north. So if they don’t like the democracy the option to flourish in post-brexit Britain is always there for them

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« Reply #2632 on: May 10, 2019, 08:39:52 PM »
The OO is already funded left, right and centre as are the hundreds of flute bands that stomp the streets every summer. I would not want that to change in a united Ireland. What I would expect to change would be the flag and anthem, though I don’t ever see there ever being any consensus there. Ulster Scots should also be looked after, in line with whatever demand there is to support it

What’s the point? New anthem and flag, Unionists will recognise neither because they won’t be in the union no more. Accepting those two things goes against everything a unionist stands for.

In the same way that nationalists wouldn’t recognise a new flag and anthem for NI because it goes against everything they stand for.

A UI is definitely a difficult and nuanced proposition. Difficulties and nuances that it’s proponents will have to navigate and master to win the day

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« Reply #2633 on: May 10, 2019, 08:43:08 PM »
The OO is already funded left, right and centre as are the hundreds of flute bands that stomp the streets every summer. I would not want that to change in a united Ireland. What I would expect to change would be the flag and anthem, though I don’t ever see there ever being any consensus there. Ulster Scots should also be looked after, in line with whatever demand there is to support it

What’s the point? New anthem and flag, Unionists will recognise neither because they won’t be in the union no more. Accepting those two things goes against everything a unionist stands for.

In the same way that nationalists wouldn’t recognise a new flag and anthem for NI because it goes against everything they stand for.
The point is accommodating unionists. I know fine rightly a lot of them won’t like it, and they’re welcome to move to Britain if it is that unbearable.
Presumably all the nationalists and republicans who stayed in NI found it quite pleasant?

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« Reply #2634 on: May 10, 2019, 08:46:40 PM »
I know fine rightly a lot of them won’t like it, and they’re welcome to move to Britain if it is that unbearable.

Should that have been the attitude of Unionists towards nationalists?

"You're welcome to move down south if you find Northern Ireland so unbearable."
Well the thing is, many people from the north *did* move, many were forced to do so.  That was and still is the attitude among some of the more loyal citizens in NI today. Luckily, Unionists will never have to face what Irish nationalists endured back when they ran the show in the north. So if they don’t like the democracy the option to flourish in post-brexit Britain is always there for them
I will agree that some were forced but a tiny fraction. The majority who left NI left for the same reason as they left RoI and the poorer regions of Europe

The rest of your “free to leave” rhetoric I will leave to those indulging in Orbanesque politics
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