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« Reply #1860 on: July 02, 2019, 11:23:02 PM »
Never a penalty. The US player was running, no intent or contact whatsoever

Definite penalty what were you watching??
It's no penalty if the forward clips the defender and that's what it looked like to me, rather than vice versa.
I suspect White was adjusting to make contact with the ball.
But hey I have no complaints, the penalty was saved and order restored.

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« Reply #1861 on: July 02, 2019, 11:54:33 PM »
Never a penalty. The US player was running, no intent or contact whatsoever

Definite penalty what were you watching??

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« Reply #1862 on: July 03, 2019, 12:21:13 AM »
VAR needs to be written off as a failed experiment. Yes to goal line tech, no to VAR.

Not on tonight's outcomes.
Var got both right.
England disallowed goal was offside - not by much but it was still clear.
Stonewall penalty as well.
Two good decisions by VAR.

Neville might need to be reviewed. A decent bloke and would forgive him the bit about going down to 10 men. Having a dig at the ref though was just silly. Reckoned she lost control of the game!
The ref was brilliant.


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« Reply #1863 on: July 03, 2019, 12:29:48 AM »
The penalty decision was correct. The defender might not have meant it but there was contact so it is a definite penalty. The penalty itself was one of the worst  I have seen in such a crucial situation.

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« Reply #1864 on: July 03, 2019, 12:54:49 AM »
VAR needs to be written off as a failed experiment. Yes to goal line tech, no to VAR.

Not on tonight's outcomes.
Var got both right.
England disallowed goal was offside - not by much but it was still clear.
Stonewall penalty as well.
Two good decisions by VAR.

Neville might need to be reviewed. A decent bloke and would forgive him the bit about going down to 10 men. Having a dig at the ref though was just silly. Reckoned she lost control of the game!
The ref was brilliant.

His team kept giving the ball away when under no pressure at all. That was their main issue so he should look at that first.

England teams always do this kind of thing. I think itís the pressure of the media. Doesnít seem to happen to very many other countries. The sloppiness of a lot of their passing was very poor.

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Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
« Reply #1865 on: July 03, 2019, 01:03:05 AM »
The penalty decision was correct. The defender might not have meant it but there was contact so it is a definite penalty. The penalty itself was one of the worst  I have seen in such a crucial situation.
So if an attacking player runs into a defender or an outstretched foot and falls over, it's a penalty?

Intent is not the question in this situation, it does not come into the equation, it's a question of who tripped who.
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« Reply #1866 on: July 03, 2019, 05:38:45 AM »
VAR needs to be written off as a failed experiment. Yes to goal line tech, no to VAR.

The problem isn't VAR, it's the rule. She was offside. VAR allowed the ref to make the correct decision.

The real question is whether that should be the correct decision.
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« Reply #1867 on: July 03, 2019, 05:40:09 AM »
The penalty decision was correct. The defender might not have meant it but there was contact so it is a definite penalty. The penalty itself was one of the worst  I have seen in such a crucial situation.
So if an attacking player runs into a defender or an outstretched foot and falls over, it's a penalty?

Intent is not the question in this situation, it does not come into the equation, it's a question of who tripped who.

But that's not what happened, is it? White was in front of the American defender.
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« Reply #1868 on: July 03, 2019, 08:24:53 AM »
I think the penalty was an incorrect decision. White pulling her leg back to shoot was what caused the contact. Surely a defender doesn't have to get out of the way to let her shoot? If we're saying she has to then where are we going. This "there was contact" rubbish - if that's the criteria there are literally hundreds of penalties each game. This incident was the same as when an attacker moves their leg to initiate contact when looking for a penalty.

USA were the better team but I feel they ran themselves into the ground and were hanging on somewhat towards the end. Someone called Alex Morgan a diver above - she's a magnificent striker. Everythnig about her play was fantastic. She did exaggerate a few times granted but this competition has shown a marked absence of the scandalous carry on that's the norm in the mens game.

Also disagreed totally with Phil Neville on the ref. Thought she was excellent throughout bar the penalty decision (though I accept she may have done what refs are told to do - I'd disagree with the instruction). Phil has done a good job. Their best WC ever and within a hares breath of at least taking a superior side to extra time. He got a lot of unwarranted shit when he took the job, glad for him he has proved people wrong.

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« Reply #1869 on: July 03, 2019, 08:31:19 AM »
I think the penalty was an incorrect decision. White pulling her leg back to shoot was what caused the contact. Surely a defender doesn't have to get out of the way to let her shoot? If we're saying she has to then where are we going. This "there was contact" rubbish - if that's the criteria there are literally hundreds of penalties each game. This incident was the same as when an attacker moves their leg to initiate contact when looking for a penalty.

USA were the better team but I feel they ran themselves into the ground and were hanging on somewhat towards the end. Someone called Alex Morgan a diver above - she's a magnificent striker. Everythnig about her play was fantastic. She did exaggerate a few times granted but this competition has shown a marked absence of the scandalous carry on that's the norm in the mens game.

Also disagreed totally with Phil Neville on the ref. Thought she was excellent throughout bar the penalty decision (though I accept she may have done what refs are told to do - I'd disagree with the instruction). Phil has done a good job. Their best WC ever and within a hares breath of at least taking a superior side to extra time. He got a lot of unwarranted shit when he took the job, glad for him he has proved people wrong.

Agree with this. Not a penalty for me as the first action was by the striker, it should nt be up to the defender to get out of the way. Ironically I can see how it could have been given at full speed but not after review, obviously the opposite of what happened.

It made me think of another potential VAR issue. Player going through on goal, defender slides in, misses the ball because the player jumps over the tackle. As a result the striker looses their balance and ball runs away. Penalty or not?

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Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
« Reply #1870 on: July 03, 2019, 08:48:35 AM »
I don't see how you are disputing the penalty lads.

It was a very difficult one to spot in open play so no blame on the ref there, but as the striker pulled her foot back to shoot the defender clips her ankle.
Accidental or not it doesn't matter, it was a penalty. The English girl was denied a clear strike on the goal therefore can't be anything other than a penalty.

It literally doesn't matter one jot if she ran in front of the defender, she was clipped in the action of striking the ball.

That being said the level of officiating at the tournament has been bang average at best.


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« Reply #1871 on: July 03, 2019, 08:54:52 AM »
I don't see how you are disputing the penalty lads.

It was a very difficult one to spot in open play so no blame on the ref there, but as the striker pulled her foot back to shoot the defender clips her ankle.
Accidental or not it doesn't matter, it was a penalty. The English girl was denied a clear strike on the goal therefore can't be anything other than a penalty.

It literally doesn't matter one jot if she ran in front of the defender, she was clipped in the action of striking the ball.

That being said the level of officiating at the tournament has been bang average at best.

But it was her motion that caused her to be clipped so in effect did she "kick" the defender when the defender was simply running in a straight line?  Why should the forward  be deemed to be the injured party?

I do think this is a very tricky one however

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Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
« Reply #1872 on: July 03, 2019, 09:46:26 AM »
VAR needs to be written off as a failed experiment. Yes to goal line tech, no to VAR.

The problem isn't VAR, it's the rule. She was offside. VAR allowed the ref to make the correct decision.

The real question is whether that should be the correct decision.
Thats a fair point. With VAR the attacker no longer gets the benefit of the doubt. If using VAR for offside they should go back to the clear daylight rule IMO. It will mean more goals as well.

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Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
« Reply #1873 on: July 03, 2019, 09:57:51 AM »
I wonder does Neville get a go at any of the players

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« Reply #1874 on: July 03, 2019, 10:11:32 AM »
I wonder does Neville get a go at any of the players

If he changed his name to Philomena then probably.