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Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
« Reply #1695 on: July 12, 2018, 12:32:59 PM »
I think England were more solid psychologically this time. They can build on it.
France are very impressive. It would be amazing if Croatia won. Such a small country.

Maybe so, but Brazil, Germany, Spain, Argentina etc won't all be as bad again in the same tournament. Nor will England get as handy a draw again.

This was a once in a lifetime opportunity for Engerland. Let's hope we never have to worry about them ever getting close again.

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« Reply #1696 on: July 12, 2018, 12:41:32 PM »
Doesn't really matter who England get, they will always come undone. Why? Because they are inherently arrogant.

Look at Euro 2016  they thought Iceland would be a cake walk. Lost.
WC 2018 - They believed they had the easy route and Croatia will be too tired and will not be able to keep up. We all agree England beat nobodies in world football that is all there is to it.


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« Reply #1697 on: July 12, 2018, 12:47:08 PM »
I think England were more solid psychologically this time. They can build on it.
France are very impressive. It would be amazing if Croatia won. Such a small country.

Maybe so, but Brazil, Germany, Spain, Argentina etc won't all be as bad again in the same tournament. Nor will England get as handy a draw again.

This was a once in a lifetime opportunity for Engerland. Let's hope we never have to worry about them ever getting close again.

I agree.  I don't think they'll get as good a chance for a long time.

England over achieved here and it reminds me of Ireland in Italia 90.  Most of us remember it for the craic, the excuse for a few drinks and a bit of a sing song, we got to the quarters.  Brilliant.  Some pundits mistook this a a sign we were one of the good teams now and it would always be like this.  I get the impression that some of the English pundits now think Eng are back in the big time.

I like what Southgate is trying to do with this Eng team and he comes across as a likeable, intelligent character.  But one of the problems for England is that it's in their DNA to value a player who puts in a good shift (e.g. Henderson) more than a fancy dan ball player, one who might take the ball past an opponent and make a killer pass.  There remains little creativity in this England side and in English players generally.

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« Reply #1698 on: July 12, 2018, 12:50:28 PM »
England have never given Iceland credit for that win. It's like it's beneath England to admit that they, who created football, lost to a squad of hairy fellas from the Arctic. Iceland were clearly the better team. Workrate, intensity, defending, passing etc. They never allowed England to play.

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« Reply #1699 on: July 12, 2018, 12:54:07 PM »
For England to improve I feel they have to restrict the number of overseas players in any team in the premiership and championship. Be interesting to see how Brexit will affect players coming here, or do they get special treatment?

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« Reply #1700 on: July 12, 2018, 12:55:33 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/11/tears-pain-young-england-team-world-cup-croatia#img-1

For 20 minutes this felt like England’s game. On the touchline Gareth Southgate looked calm, striding about in his waistcoat, stroking his whiskery chin and resembling once again a very clever cartoon badger who drives an old-fashioned car and plays the violin.

Above all, this has been a dreamy, all-consuming piece of escapism. In tough times back home football has felt like a warm embrace, like a rush of chemical pleasure, like the best night out you’ve had in ages.

But it can still provide something uplifting. It is hard not to feel part of the enthusiasm for this team comes from a feeling of relief. A lot of young English people have been told for the last few years that times are hard, that their lives are set one way and that things were always, always better in the past.

Watching this England team – and yes, it is of course just a football team – has seemed to provide a different kind of script. A young, unheralded bunch of players have gone further than those before who were more obviously talented, more golden, more authentic, finding ways to succeed through teamwork and energy and a refusal to be cowed.

Sport is a chimera, it drags stories along in its wake. Champions are often blackguards. Losers are often nice. Sport and its storylines are just a decoration, a picture on the wall.
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« Reply #1701 on: July 12, 2018, 12:58:30 PM »
Where England go depends on what the FA do.
Germany was trashed in 1945  . West Germany  didn't take part in the 1950 world cup cos the counrry was still  banjaxed. In 1954 West Germany were champions.
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« Reply #1702 on: July 12, 2018, 01:20:19 PM »
For England to improve I feel they have to restrict the number of overseas players in any team in the premiership and championship. Be interesting to see how Brexit will affect players coming here, or do they get special treatment?

its the opposite, their players have to play in other countries to improve. but they wont because thats uncomfortable, and they always stay in their comfort zone. division 2 in france spain or germany would improve the technique of any player, in england its just kick and rush all the time.

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« Reply #1703 on: July 12, 2018, 01:29:18 PM »
For England to improve I feel they have to restrict the number of overseas players in any team in the premiership and championship. Be interesting to see how Brexit will affect players coming here, or do they get special treatment?

its the opposite, their players have to play in other countries to improve. but they wont because thats uncomfortable, and they always stay in their comfort zone. division 2 in france spain or germany would improve the technique of any player, in england its just kick and rush all the time.

Was wondering how many of England's players play abroad and it was a grand total of 0.

However, how many of the currently England team would play top flight football abroad?


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Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
« Reply #1704 on: July 12, 2018, 01:34:32 PM »
For England to improve I feel they have to restrict the number of overseas players in any team in the premiership and championship. Be interesting to see how Brexit will affect players coming here, or do they get special treatment?

France and Crotia most of their players play abroad. Doesn't do them any harm

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« Reply #1705 on: July 12, 2018, 01:57:37 PM »
For England to improve I feel they have to restrict the number of overseas players in any team in the premiership and championship. Be interesting to see how Brexit will affect players coming here, or do they get special treatment?

France and Crotia most of their players play abroad. Doesn't do them any harm
9/23 of the France squad play in France
2/23 of the Croatian squad play at home

England has the richest League in the world which is a problem for the national team. There is almost always a better player somewhere else
France has a much better development system. Plus I think they grant citizenship to promising African footballers.
 Mbappe has the potential to become a galactico.
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« Reply #1706 on: July 12, 2018, 02:01:58 PM »
For England to improve I feel they have to restrict the number of overseas players in any team in the premiership and championship. Be interesting to see how Brexit will affect players coming here, or do they get special treatment?

France and Crotia most of their players play abroad. Doesn't do them any harm

Maybe because they start off with flair technique skill... premiership foreign players bring that to the league, as far as I know they don’t coach kids
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Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
« Reply #1707 on: July 12, 2018, 02:07:51 PM »
For England to improve I feel they have to restrict the number of overseas players in any team in the premiership and championship. Be interesting to see how Brexit will affect players coming here, or do they get special treatment?

France and Crotia most of their players play abroad. Doesn't do them any harm
9/23 of the France squad play in France
2/23 of the Croatian squad play at home

England has the richest League in the world which is a problem for the national team. There is almost always a better player somewhere else
France has a much better development system. Plus I think they grant citizenship to promising African footballers.
 Mbappe has the potential to become a galactico.

Of the French squad at the World Cup only two weren't born in France.

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« Reply #1708 on: July 12, 2018, 02:17:14 PM »
England have a solid production line of technically gifted players coming through. But the problem for those players is going to be their development from 18-22. They need exposure to European football, preferably Champions League, and the only way to get that is to leave the Premier League. They won't be trusted by the managers of top 6 Premier League clubs who need to win now, and not tomorrow. But they won't leave England if the past is any indication. The exception right now is Lookman from Everton, who spent last season at Leipzig.

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« Reply #1709 on: July 12, 2018, 02:18:46 PM »
England were never going to beat a good team playing that way, they simply don't have the midfield for it. England strengths were good fullbacks who are very quick, a good winger in Sterling and good attacking midfielder in Ali whilst having one of the best forwards in Kane. Then there's Rashford who can play a few different roles. To play Ali & Lingard in the same midfield 3 against someone as good as Modric is never going to work out for a full 90 minutes.

Southgate is lucky that Colombia were missing their best player as I suspect if he'd played Colombia would have won and he'd have got plenty of criticism. They've had a good world cup because of the draw and coudn't beat any of the 3 good teams they played. They beat a Swedish team who don't have a player good enough to get in the England team.

Contrary to what many beieve I think big Sam might have got that England team to a final with the easy draw they had.