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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5580 on: May 22, 2018, 03:10:02 PM »
First implement the 4 steps rule
Then restrict the fcukn  abomination of non stop throwball. (Or how about reversing the rubby rule - no backward handpassing allowed?)
No throwing the ball over the bar
No illegal  pushing the ball into the net with 2 hands.

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« Reply #5581 on: May 22, 2018, 03:24:59 PM »
The real blight on the game is slow build up possession football. Seeing a team pass the ball from the corner flag back to their keeper or from the left side to the right side to the left side ad nauseum is the largest eye-sore. You shouldn’t be rewarded for not trying to score.

None of the suggestions put forward tackle that problem at all. I’d put a score clock rule in place. You've a fixed amount of time to score from when you first take possession. So either 1 minute or else the more Draconian use of a 30 second rule. If you’ve only one forward inside then it takes much longer to work your players up the pitch to score. Teams would then keep their players stationed more evenly around the field if they were against the clock. Also if your blanket defence is only going to be in place for less than a minute I can’t see it being worthwhile implementing a suffocating defence.

while i understand what you are trying to do here, in reality it would be almost impossible to consistently implement.

Something more basic like a  'backcourt' rule where you cant pass it back into your own half once you have crossed the halfway line, might be a better place to start
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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5582 on: May 22, 2018, 04:35:37 PM »
First implement the 4 steps rule
Then restrict the fcukn  abomination of non stop throwball. (Or how about reversing the rubby rule - no backward handpassing allowed?)
No throwing the ball over the bar
No illegal  pushing the ball into the net with 2 hands.

Never go into any position of power. Please.
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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5583 on: May 22, 2018, 04:47:20 PM »
The real blight on the game is slow build up possession football. Seeing a team pass the ball from the corner flag back to their keeper or from the left side to the right side to the left side ad nauseum is the largest eye-sore. You shouldn’t be rewarded for not trying to score.

None of the suggestions put forward tackle that problem at all. I’d put a score clock rule in place. You've a fixed amount of time to score from when you first take possession. So either 1 minute or else the more Draconian use of a 30 second rule. If you’ve only one forward inside then it takes much longer to work your players up the pitch to score. Teams would then keep their players stationed more evenly around the field if they were against the clock. Also if your blanket defence is only going to be in place for less than a minute I can’t see it being worthwhile implementing a suffocating defence.

The slow build up possession football is only a symptom of the blanket defences. It is the 13/14/15 men behind the ball defending that causes the attacking team to retain the possession going over and back probing until a gap appears in the defence.
The underlying problem is with 13+ players inside the defensive 45m line there is no space for the attacking team.  That's the problem that needs to be solved.
2 points for shots from outside the 45m line is a decent suggestion, as is 13 a-side. Any rule change needs to be easy to implement. restricting the numbers in any particular section of the pitch DURING open play is very hard to police, especially in club games where the only neutral official will be the ref.
Also, I don't think a 'shot clock' is a good option at all for 2 reasons. 1. not easy to implement at club level and 2. I actually think it would encourage more blanket defences. If a defence knows that it only has to keep the forwards out for 30 seconds (or a minute) it will encourage them to tighten things up for that minute safe in the knowledge that if they keep it tight they get the ball back.
Any rule change needs to discourage packed defences not reward them.

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« Reply #5584 on: May 22, 2018, 04:52:21 PM »
The real blight on the game is slow build up possession football. Seeing a team pass the ball from the corner flag back to their keeper or from the left side to the right side to the left side ad nauseum is the largest eye-sore. You shouldn’t be rewarded for not trying to score.

None of the suggestions put forward tackle that problem at all. I’d put a score clock rule in place. You've a fixed amount of time to score from when you first take possession. So either 1 minute or else the more Draconian use of a 30 second rule. If you’ve only one forward inside then it takes much longer to work your players up the pitch to score. Teams would then keep their players stationed more evenly around the field if they were against the clock. Also if your blanket defence is only going to be in place for less than a minute I can’t see it being worthwhile implementing a suffocating defence.

The slow build up possession football is only a symptom of the blanket defences. It is the 13/14/15 men behind the ball defending that causes the attacking team to retain the possession going over and back probing until a gap appears in the defence.
The underlying problem is with 13+ players inside the defensive 45m line there is no space for the attacking team.  That's the problem that needs to be solved.
2 points for shots from outside the 45m line is a decent suggestion, as is 13 a-side. Any rule change needs to be easy to implement. restricting the numbers in any particular section of the pitch DURING open play is very hard to police, especially in club games where the only neutral official will be the ref.
Also, I don't think a 'shot clock' is a good option at all for 2 reasons. 1. not easy to implement at club level and 2. I actually think it would encourage more blanket defences. If a defence knows that it only has to keep the forwards out for 30 seconds (or a minute) it will encourage them to tighten things up for that minute safe in the knowledge that if they keep it tight they get the ball back.
Any rule change needs to discourage packed defences not reward them.


Precisely, it would reinforce the idea of getting all your men back and breaking as fast as possible - just don't give the opposition enough space to shoot for 30/60 seconds and you get possession back, easy.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5585 on: May 22, 2018, 05:05:14 PM »
The real blight on the game is slow build up possession football. Seeing a team pass the ball from the corner flag back to their keeper or from the left side to the right side to the left side ad nauseum is the largest eye-sore. You shouldn’t be rewarded for not trying to score.

None of the suggestions put forward tackle that problem at all. I’d put a score clock rule in place. You've a fixed amount of time to score from when you first take possession. So either 1 minute or else the more Draconian use of a 30 second rule. If you’ve only one forward inside then it takes much longer to work your players up the pitch to score. Teams would then keep their players stationed more evenly around the field if they were against the clock. Also if your blanket defence is only going to be in place for less than a minute I can’t see it being worthwhile implementing a suffocating defence.

The slow build up possession football is only a symptom of the blanket defences. It is the 13/14/15 men behind the ball defending that causes the attacking team to retain the possession going over and back probing until a gap appears in the defence.
The underlying problem is with 13+ players inside the defensive 45m line there is no space for the attacking team.  That's the problem that needs to be solved.
2 points for shots from outside the 45m line is a decent suggestion, as is 13 a-side. Any rule change needs to be easy to implement. restricting the numbers in any particular section of the pitch DURING open play is very hard to police, especially in club games where the only neutral official will be the ref.
Also, I don't think a 'shot clock' is a good option at all for 2 reasons. 1. not easy to implement at club level and 2. I actually think it would encourage more blanket defences. If a defence knows that it only has to keep the forwards out for 30 seconds (or a minute) it will encourage them to tighten things up for that minute safe in the knowledge that if they keep it tight they get the ball back.
Any rule change needs to discourage packed defences not reward them.
Good points and i agree but do you have any ideas yourself?
Imo it needs to be a simple rule to implement and start with one and go from there.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5586 on: May 22, 2018, 10:54:20 PM »
4.28 To be inside own 20m line when one’s team is
taking a kick-out

This rule was added this year. I didn't see it implemented on Sunday by Colderick, in the kickout for Monaghan's goal it should have been blown for this rule as a there were at least 2 players inside the 20.
A lot of the reports I have read said he controlled the game well. But there was a few shouts for penalties for both sides, possible could have been another red and a black card. All of which could have had an impact on the result. Strange the perception is that he had a good game due how controlled it and not on the big calls.

I feel there is enough rules without adding more. Especially when many are happy when some rules are ignored

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« Reply #5587 on: May 22, 2018, 10:59:27 PM »
Something more basic like a  'backcourt' rule where you cant pass it back into your own half once you have crossed the halfway line, might be a better place to start

I considered that idea but I reckoned too many teams would be toying with the idea of crossing the half way line which would be an equally pathetic spectacle.


The slow build up possession football is only a symptom of the blanket defences. It is the 13/14/15 men behind the ball defending that causes the attacking team to retain the possession going over and back probing until a gap appears in the defence.
The underlying problem is with 13+ players inside the defensive 45m line there is no space for the attacking team.  That's the problem that needs to be solved.
2 points for shots from outside the 45m line is a decent suggestion, as is 13 a-side. Any rule change needs to be easy to implement. restricting the numbers in any particular section of the pitch DURING open play is very hard to police, especially in club games where the only neutral official will be the ref.
Also, I don't think a 'shot clock' is a good option at all for 2 reasons. 1. not easy to implement at club level and 2. I actually think it would encourage more blanket defences. If a defence knows that it only has to keep the forwards out for 30 seconds (or a minute) it will encourage them to tighten things up for that minute safe in the knowledge that if they keep it tight they get the ball back.
Any rule change needs to discourage packed defences not reward them.


Precisely, it would reinforce the idea of getting all your men back and breaking as fast as possible - just don't give the opposition enough space to shoot for 30/60 seconds and you get possession back, easy.

The time clock is difficult to implement at club level and that is a serious flaw.

I think 13 a side games would lead to the further proliferation of gym monkeys as coaches would simply expect 13 players to do what the 15 once did. Also the greater amount of space would encourage guys who could run all day at the expense of fat lazy f**kers, hampering participation across the country and leaving less room on a teamsheet for a slower creative player. I fear 13 a side would mimic sevens GAA which, to my eye, is based largely on being fitter and more mobile than the opposition in an energy sapping 70 mins. I could be wrong though. Like all these things until they're trialed we'll just never really know.

You're second point isn't correct. Currently loads of players have opportunities to shoot despite being faced with a blanket defence, they choose not to as they're facing a low percentage shot and faff about with the ball until they either score somewhere else or waste the possession. It's too f**king ponderous. The score clock would force these players to face the problem head on and take the opportunity when it's presented. Players who could kick accurately whilst under pressure would become a premium commodity and mean the return of the most skillful exponents of the game.

Secondly if as you say teams just sit in a blanket for a minute then they're faced with the challenge of getting the ball the length of the pitch and scoring within 60 seconds, a tough enough ask if you've put 14 men behind the ball. You've stopped the opposition from scoring but at serious disadvantage to your own chances of scoring.

Maybe a time clock is a bollocks of a suggestion but I see very few options to disrupting the possession game with simple law changes. I can't see a "no backpass" or "keep the ball in the oppositions half" being anything but nigh unworkable.

Do me a small favour though and this weekend when you're watching a match, count the amount of times a player gets into a shooting position and opts out of it to "recycle" the ball back to a man behind him and you've to wait another 30 seconds of tedious hand-passing for the team to engineer a shot. Drives me mad.
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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5588 on: May 22, 2018, 11:21:02 PM »
I think there should be a Mill button for everyone in the crowd. If the game is too defensive & boring fans can press a button demanding an immediate Mill. Being the GAA a 2/3rd a majority is required. Once 66% of people push Mill button, the ball will be burst by the referee signifying that all players are required to beat the shite out of each other with the help of course of back room team and the Maor Usice. Referrees, linesmen and umpires will look at the sky during the Mill and all TV cameras will zoom in on some fine thing in the crowd.

Once the players have seen sense after the mill is complete and a few stern words are had between the ref and captains about the terrible negative football played, a free flowing wonderful game will resume.

Mill buttons will be supplied at an extra cost of 10 euro per patron with Old age Pensioners, students and U12s getting a reduced price of 9.50.

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« Reply #5589 on: May 23, 2018, 08:55:32 AM »
I think there should be a Mill button for everyone in the crowd. If the game is too defensive & boring fans can press a button demanding an immediate Mill. Being the GAA a 2/3rd a majority is required. Once 66% of people push Mill button, the ball will be burst by the referee signifying that all players are required to beat the shite out of each other with the help of course of back room team and the Maor Usice. Referrees, linesmen and umpires will look at the sky during the Mill and all TV cameras will zoom in on some fine thing in the crowd.

Once the players have seen sense after the mill is complete and a few stern words are had between the ref and captains about the terrible negative football played, a free flowing wonderful game will resume.

Mill buttons will be supplied at an extra cost of 10 euro per patron with Old age Pensioners, students and U12s getting a reduced price of 9.50.

Everyone is a winner.

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Re: The Sunday Game
« Reply #5590 on: May 23, 2018, 09:26:03 AM »
I think there should be a Mill button for everyone in the crowd. If the game is too defensive & boring fans can press a button demanding an immediate Mill. Being the GAA a 2/3rd a majority is required. Once 66% of people push Mill button, the ball will be burst by the referee signifying that all players are required to beat the shite out of each other with the help of course of back room team and the Maor Usice. Referrees, linesmen and umpires will look at the sky during the Mill and all TV cameras will zoom in on some fine thing in the crowd.

Once the players have seen sense after the mill is complete and a few stern words are had between the ref and captains about the terrible negative football played, a free flowing wonderful game will resume.

Mill buttons will be supplied at an extra cost of 10 euro per patron with Old age Pensioners, students and U12s getting a reduced price of 9.50.

Everyone is a winner.

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« Reply #5591 on: May 23, 2018, 06:51:59 PM »
Something more basic like a  'backcourt' rule where you cant pass it back into your own half once you have crossed the halfway line, might be a better place to start

I considered that idea but I reckoned too many teams would be toying with the idea of crossing the half way line which would be an equally pathetic spectacle.


The slow build up possession football is only a symptom of the blanket defences. It is the 13/14/15 men behind the ball defending that causes the attacking team to retain the possession going over and back probing until a gap appears in the defence.
The underlying problem is with 13+ players inside the defensive 45m line there is no space for the attacking team.  That's the problem that needs to be solved.
2 points for shots from outside the 45m line is a decent suggestion, as is 13 a-side. Any rule change needs to be easy to implement. restricting the numbers in any particular section of the pitch DURING open play is very hard to police, especially in club games where the only neutral official will be the ref.
Also, I don't think a 'shot clock' is a good option at all for 2 reasons. 1. not easy to implement at club level and 2. I actually think it would encourage more blanket defences. If a defence knows that it only has to keep the forwards out for 30 seconds (or a minute) it will encourage them to tighten things up for that minute safe in the knowledge that if they keep it tight they get the ball back.
Any rule change needs to discourage packed defences not reward them.


Precisely, it would reinforce the idea of getting all your men back and breaking as fast as possible - just don't give the opposition enough space to shoot for 30/60 seconds and you get possession back, easy.

The time clock is difficult to implement at club level and that is a serious flaw.

I think 13 a side games would lead to the further proliferation of gym monkeys as coaches would simply expect 13 players to do what the 15 once did. Also the greater amount of space would encourage guys who could run all day at the expense of fat lazy f**kers, hampering participation across the country and leaving less room on a teamsheet for a slower creative player. I fear 13 a side would mimic sevens GAA which, to my eye, is based largely on being fitter and more mobile than the opposition in an energy sapping 70 mins. I could be wrong though. Like all these things until they're trialed we'll just never really know.

You're second point isn't correct. Currently loads of players have opportunities to shoot despite being faced with a blanket defence, they choose not to as they're facing a low percentage shot and faff about with the ball until they either score somewhere else or waste the possession. It's too f**king ponderous. The score clock would force these players to face the problem head on and take the opportunity when it's presented. Players who could kick accurately whilst under pressure would become a premium commodity and mean the return of the most skillful exponents of the game.

Secondly if as you say teams just sit in a blanket for a minute then they're faced with the challenge of getting the ball the length of the pitch and scoring within 60 seconds, a tough enough ask if you've put 14 men behind the ball. You've stopped the opposition from scoring but at serious disadvantage to your own chances of scoring.

Maybe a time clock is a bollocks of a suggestion but I see very few options to disrupting the possession game with simple law changes. I can't see a "no backpass" or "keep the ball in the oppositions half" being anything but nigh unworkable.

Do me a small favour though and this weekend when you're watching a match, count the amount of times a player gets into a shooting position and opts out of it to "recycle" the ball back to a man behind him and you've to wait another 30 seconds of tedious hand-passing for the team to engineer a shot. Drives me mad.

Indeed. I do like Itchy's ingenious mill button idea but I have an even more revolutionary proposal. Imagine if some forward thinking (literally) county coach decided to quit spending two hours a night three times a week and three hours on a Saturday teaching his players whereabouts to hang about in their own half when the opposition has the ball and how to make sure they stay behind the ball carrier when their own team has the ball.

Instead suppose he gave all his players a ball each and spent all that time letting them practice shooting from 40-60 metres, maybe with a few lads from local clubs brought in to hang out of them while they do it. (Steaks for the club lads after training too - only fair.)

What would their opposition blanket defence do in the first championship match of the season as points rained over from lads who had been practising the primary skill of football for nine months?

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