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« Reply #1575 on: June 12, 2018, 10:24:23 AM »
Anyone care to explain why Damian Heavron has been excluded from the panel, very poor from of Mc Erlaine on this one. What has Heavron done previously with Barton last year to warrant such treatment. I am surprised there hasn't been more made of this considering the guy is one of our best players, especially as we have a seriously young panel who need all the help they can get.

On the surface it's a bizarre omission but the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. We'll have to see how Derry progress through the season and I'd say Damien has a gameplan in mind for the players he's picked. As a Rossa man I've mixed feelings but it should make us stronger having Danny and Emmett available all year and having a point to prove.
He would need to have a better gameplan than he had for the minor final. Heavron will be a huge loss in my opinion, great football brain and vision.  Both Emmett and Ryan would be very useful options in Division 3 football in January/February and would add a physical presence. Return of some more experienced players balances things a wee bit but getting up from Division 3 is by no means an easy task with the panel available.
What a county we live in. Derry had a terrible record at minor until Damian came in.He has won 2 Ulster titles and got to an All Ireland minor final,something which looked so out of reach until his appointment and yet you can only see the negative. Granted we got hammered,but don't slate the man before the season starts.
Read the post. I did not slate the man, I questioned the game plan for the minor final - the main reason the game was over as a contest so early.  How do you think we will do in Division 3 with the players available?

Your analysis of the Minor final was correct.  We are going to go into Div 3 with some very inexperienced players.  Westmeath had a good league performance in Div 4 last year and Armagh were unfortunate not to get promoted in 2017.  I don't think we will beat Armagh, Fermanagh or Sligo and Longford have always been a 'bogey' team .... so no promotion for us in 2018.   That said the challenge for us is to build an effective game plan with a competent 'kick-out' strategy.  We will also need to work hard for each other all of the time.  Game-day management is very important and that will include a  'counter-attacking'  plan that gets scores and that best utilises the quality, pace and skill that we have available to us.  We have a lot of players of similar standard and it is vital we create a good team spirit in order to develop a strong 'desire to win' mentality.  Its unlikely that we will make an impact in the Ulster Championship but a good run in the Qualifiers will help us to continue to build a strong foundation for 2019.

That was my analysis of the Derry situation before the League began !!!!!

The manager is not up to this job

The question remains is the County Board up to grasping the nettle ?

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« Reply #1576 on: June 12, 2018, 03:00:35 PM »
Just had a look at the relative success of school, club, minor and U21, success over the last few years, with relation to Senior level.  It looks like there haven’t been too many managers up to the job of managing the senior footballers.
(The mind wanders when you’re off for a day or two)

Schools (MacRory)
St. Columbs Derry, won back to back titles in ’65 and ’66, winning the Hogan in ’65.  I think that those were the first college titles to head to Derry.
St. Patrick’s Maghera joined the party, getting to the final in ’76 (losing their first).  This was the start of a run of 11 consecutive finals – winning 6 and losing 5.  They lost a couple of Hogan finals along the way.
’88 – ’90 was the Maghera/Colman’s years with Colman’s winning in 88, and Maghera gaining their first win over Colman’s in a MacRory final in ’89 then backing that up again in ’90.  Two Hogan Cup were won as well.
Maghera made the all the finals between ’93 and ’96 – winning 3 and losing 1. They reached the Hogan Cup in all three of those victories losing 2 and winning one.
There was a few quiet years with ’98 being their only final (losing) until 2003, where the MacRory and Hogan Cup returned to Maghera.
Things went quiet again until 2012, when they reached the final again. Victories followed in ’13, ’14 and ’16 with the Hogan Title also achieved during that time.
Magherafelt have appeared in the last two MacRory finals winning one and losing one.
In total Derry schools have won 18 MacRory titles
Rank: 2/9

County Minors
Derry won their first Ulster Minor title in 1965.  It was the first time they got to a final, and they went on to win the All- Ireland Minor title.  They were back in the Ulster Minor Final in ’66 and ’68 losing both.  Another title followed in 1970, with the only other appearance during the ‘70s in an Ulster Minor Final was a losing one in ’74.
The 80’s were more productive, winning all 5 appearances in the Ulster Final and picking up 2 All-Ireland minor titles, and losing two Ulster finals along the way.
During the 90’s we won two and lost 2 Ulster Minor titles, and made it to an AI Final.   
During the 00’s we won two and lost one, and made one AI appearance.
During the 10’s we won two and lost one, and made one AI appearance.
In total the county have 14 Ulster Minor titles to their name.
Rank: 2/9

Club Minors
The Ulster Minor Club competition has been running since 1982, Derry clubs didn’t win one until Dungiven started the process in 1990. 
During the 90’s, 8 titles arrived in the county:
Dungiven (1990)
Bellaghy (1991 & 1994)
Loup (1993 & 1995)
Ballinderry (1996 & 1997)
Slaughtneil (1998)
This winning run slowed down in the 2000’s, with Ballinderry winning twice (2001 & 2008) with Kilrea grabbing the only other victory in 2007.
Since 2010 we have had three losing finalists (Magherafelt 2010, Kilrea 2016 and Ballinascreen 2017) alongside the Glen 4-in-a-row team.
In total the clubs in the county have 15 titles , which is the most for any county in Ulster
Rank: 1/9

County U21’s
Derry won their first title in 1967, I’d say this was based around the minor winners from ’65. They retained it in ’68  (as previous) and won the All-Ireland as well (beating Offaly in the final).
They won one and lost one Ulster final in the 70’s
During the 80’s there was 2 Ulster final victories and All-Ireland final appearances, and one defeat in an Ulster Final.
In the 90’s there was 2 victories in Ulster with one All-Ireland title in 1997 and 3 Ulster final defeats. 
And since 2000 there have 0 Ulster titles with 4 final defeats.
As an aside, the Offaly side that Derry beat in the All-Ireland U21 Final in ’68, went on and won a couple of All-Ireland titles in ’70 and ’72. The Meath side that Derry beat (by 10pts?) in the 1997 final went on and won an All-Ireland title in ’99.  With a few having senior AI medals from ’96.
In total the county have 7 Ulster Under 21 titles to their name.
Rank: 4/9

Club Senior
The Ulster Club Senior Championship started in ’68 with Bellaghy being the inaugural winners.
Bellaghy and Ballerin won further titles in the 70’s with Bellaghy winning the AI and Ballerin made the final.
The 80’s were barren in comparison with only one Ulster title going to Ballinderry.
The 90’s seen Lavey win their two Ulster titles and one AI.  Bellaghy won another title, but failed in the AI final.  They also reached another couple of Ulster deciders only to meet Crossmaglen on the start of their run. And Dungiven won their solitary Club title in Ulster.
In the early 2000’s Bellaghy, Ballinderry and Loup achieved Ulster victories, with Ballinderry going one better to win the AI.  This was all before Cross had recharged and started winning again. Bellaghy, Ballinderry x 2 and Loup all reached the Ulster final only to be beaten.
Since 2010, only 3 sides have won the Ulster title. With Cross’ dominance in the competition being broken by Ballinderry (1) and Slaughtneil (3)
In total Derry clubs have won 15 Ulster Titles:
Rank: 1 (Joint)/9

County Senior
It appears that the first Ulster Championship was won by Monaghan in 1888, and since then Derry have won 7 (seven) titles.  Derry are second last in the Ulster Title rankings, with Fermanagh behind them. 
1921 was their first final appearance. And they didn’t appear again until ’55 and subsequently in ’57. ’58 was their first title, they got to the AI Final that year.
There was nothing for the seniors to celebrate in the 60’s, not even a final appearance.
The 70’s were more successful winning three titles and appearing in another two.
We went quiet again in the 80’s with two final appearances and a 50% success rate.
We had an identical success rate in the 90’s, with 2 victories and 2 defeats in Ulster finals.  However, the AI Title was achieved in ’93.
’98 was the last Ulster final victory with further defeats coming in 2000 and 2011.
Rank: 8/9

There has been plenty of success over the years for club and county up to and including U21. As well as that, the senior club scene has proved fruitful when it comes to victories.  This hasn’t materialised into relative success at senior level.  Maybe it never will.  I read comments from Adrian McGuckin (Snr) regarding the side that won the U21 All-Ireland in 1968.  He reckons that there was an All-Ireland senior title in that side, and the fact that the team they beat went on to win a couple made it even worse.

For as long as I can remember there has always been a general apathy towards the county side.  The crowds for the run to the ’92 National League final were not huge.  ’93 was an anomaly where support is concerned, getting tickets was a little more difficult.  After that point, things started to dwindle once again.  The semi-finals of ’98, ’01 and ’04 certainly weren’t full houses.  From speaking to a number of people at the match on Saturday, everyone one of them stated that they wouldn’t have attended (myself included) if the game had’ve been fixed for Celtic Park.  This apathy gets to the players, they know where they are at regarding success at senior county level, and some take the decision that its not for them.  Its an easier life at the club.

Many managers that have won titles with schools/clubs have tried and failed to win titles with Derry.  Look at the list of managers since Brian Mullins – Coleman, McGuckin, Moran, Crozier, Cassidy, Brennan, Barton…

And thats where we are at….

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« Reply #1577 on: June 12, 2018, 05:34:43 PM »
Take more days off work day buck estimator. I really enjoyed reading that. Good work.

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« Reply #1578 on: June 12, 2018, 06:09:34 PM »
Anyone care to explain why Damian Heavron has been excluded from the panel, very poor from of Mc Erlaine on this one. What has Heavron done previously with Barton last year to warrant such treatment. I am surprised there hasn't been more made of this considering the guy is one of our best players, especially as we have a seriously young panel who need all the help they can get.

On the surface it's a bizarre omission but the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. We'll have to see how Derry progress through the season and I'd say Damien has a gameplan in mind for the players he's picked. As a Rossa man I've mixed feelings but it should make us stronger having Danny and Emmett available all year and having a point to prove.
He would need to have a better gameplan than he had for the minor final. Heavron will be a huge loss in my opinion, great football brain and vision.  Both Emmett and Ryan would be very useful options in Division 3 football in January/February and would add a physical presence. Return of some more experienced players balances things a wee bit but getting up from Division 3 is by no means an easy task with the panel available.
What a county we live in. Derry had a terrible record at minor until Damian came in.He has won 2 Ulster titles and got to an All Ireland minor final,something which looked so out of reach until his appointment and yet you can only see the negative. Granted we got hammered,but don't slate the man before the season starts.
Read the post. I did not slate the man, I questioned the game plan for the minor final - the main reason the game was over as a contest so early.  How do you think we will do in Division 3 with the players available?

Your analysis of the Minor final was correct.  We are going to go into Div 3 with some very inexperienced players.  Westmeath had a good league performance in Div 4 last year and Armagh were unfortunate not to get promoted in 2017.  I don't think we will beat Armagh, Fermanagh or Sligo and Longford have always been a 'bogey' team .... so no promotion for us in 2018.   That said the challenge for us is to build an effective game plan with a competent 'kick-out' strategy.  We will also need to work hard for each other all of the time.  Game-day management is very important and that will include a  'counter-attacking'  plan that gets scores and that best utilises the quality, pace and skill that we have available to us.  We have a lot of players of similar standard and it is vital we create a good team spirit in order to develop a strong 'desire to win' mentality.  Its unlikely that we will make an impact in the Ulster Championship but a good run in the Qualifiers will help us to continue to build a strong foundation for 2019.

That was my analysis of the Derry situation before the League began !!!!!

The manager is not up to this job

The question remains is the County Board up to grasping the nettle ?

Would we be better doing a swap next year? Damien to go back to the u20s to work with a good team and Micky Donnelly who has much more experience to take over the senior job. It could work well for all concerned.

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« Reply #1579 on: June 13, 2018, 08:18:06 AM »
Take more days off work day buck estimator. I really enjoyed reading that. Good work.

+1 enjoyed that myself

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« Reply #1580 on: June 13, 2018, 10:32:20 AM »
+2 good post

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« Reply #1581 on: June 13, 2018, 11:24:48 AM »
Good post Estimator. Would be good to see equivalent stats for other provinces to give context.

Would be interesting to see if other counties with relatively strong club, underage and school success have as much difficulty in translating that onto the senior county level.

Slightly off topic, we are where we deserve to be this year in terms of senior football team.
Tactically inept management in place as a result of an inept county board.
Not all the best players are involved, eg Danny Heavron.
Slaughtneil success hampered us, but realistically it shows the lack of strength in depth of the squad as probably only 3-4 starting players are from  slaughtneil.
Apathy from supporters has to be expected given the quality being offered up in terms of tactics and performance (we are not the only county like this though).

In other words, we have very little going for us apart from recent minor success and current u20s. It remains to be seen if mcerlain can translate that to the senior stage. It might be too much for anyone to do, but more difficult for an inexperienced....and dare I say it, inexpensive manager.

Time will tell, but currently it's sh1t being a Derry fan.

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« Reply #1582 on: June 13, 2018, 11:55:56 AM »
Good post Estimator. Would be good to see equivalent stats for other provinces to give context.

Would be interesting to see if other counties with relatively strong club, underage and school success have as much difficulty in translating that onto the senior county level.

Slightly off topic, we are where we deserve to be this year in terms of senior football team.
Tactically inept management in place as a result of an inept county board.
Not all the best players are involved, eg Danny Heavron.
Slaughtneil success hampered us, but realistically it shows the lack of strength in depth of the squad as probably only 3-4 starting players are from  slaughtneil.
Apathy from supporters has to be expected given the quality being offered up in terms of tactics and performance (we are not the only county like this though).

In other words, we have very little going for us apart from recent minor success and current u20s. It remains to be seen if mcerlain can translate that to the senior stage. It might be too much for anyone to do, but more difficult for an inexperienced....and dare I say it, inexpensive manager.

Time will tell, but currently it's sh1t being a Derry fan.

I think McErleans handling of things this season has hampered us for the next couple of seasons. Danny Heavron done his cruciate playing a club game he wouldn't have been playing had he been playing county football, so he won't be there next season. I have also heard Keenan and McFaul have both said they won't play again as long as McErlean is in charge after he dropped them the panel with 2/3 league games to go. Apparently Mark Lynch had said this was his last year playing county football so at early stages the panel could struggle to get stronger for the start of next season. Hope Keenan/McFaul was just a knee jerk comment and after a long winter are happy enough to be back on board again and Lynch decides to go again as he adds experience.

if Slaughtneil don't win the Ulster club Derry should walk Divison 4 and a winnable first round championship draw might help create more of a buzz among the panel.

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« Reply #1583 on: June 13, 2018, 01:06:19 PM »
+2 good post

Agreed, great post, very interesting read Estimator

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« Reply #1584 on: June 13, 2018, 05:42:30 PM »
Good post Estimator. Would be good to see equivalent stats for other provinces to give context.

Would be interesting to see if other counties with relatively strong club, underage and school success have as much difficulty in translating that onto the senior county level.

Slightly off topic, we are where we deserve to be this year in terms of senior football team.
Tactically inept management in place as a result of an inept county board.
Not all the best players are involved, eg Danny Heavron.
Slaughtneil success hampered us, but realistically it shows the lack of strength in depth of the squad as probably only 3-4 starting players are from  slaughtneil.
Apathy from supporters has to be expected given the quality being offered up in terms of tactics and performance (we are not the only county like this though).

In other words, we have very little going for us apart from recent minor success and current u20s. It remains to be seen if mcerlain can translate that to the senior stage. It might be too much for anyone to do, but more difficult for an inexperienced....and dare I say it, inexpensive manager.

Time will tell, but currently it's sh1t being a Derry fan.

I think McErleans handling of things this season has hampered us for the next couple of seasons. Danny Heavron done his cruciate playing a club game he wouldn't have been playing had he been playing county football, so he won't be there next season. I have also heard Keenan and McFaul have both said they won't play again as long as McErlean is in charge after he dropped them the panel with 2/3 league games to go. Apparently Mark Lynch had said this was his last year playing county football so at early stages the panel could struggle to get stronger for the start of next season. Hope Keenan/McFaul was just a knee jerk comment and after a long winter are happy enough to be back on board again and Lynch decides to go again as he adds experience.

if Slaughtneil don't win the Ulster club Derry should walk Divison 4 and a winnable first round championship draw might help create more of a buzz among the panel.


Great post by estimator ....
D Heavron didn't do his cruciate until 11th March in a Club challenge game.  If he had been on the County Panel he would have been available for 4 games ...... maybe the injury would have happened anyway ... who knows.  In terms of 2017 Danny was our best and most consistent performer .... One of the most important functions of a manager is to get the best players on the pitch

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« Reply #1585 on: June 13, 2018, 05:59:01 PM »
Good post Estimator. Would be good to see equivalent stats for other provinces to give context.

Would be interesting to see if other counties with relatively strong club, underage and school success have as much difficulty in translating that onto the senior county level.

Slightly off topic, we are where we deserve to be this year in terms of senior football team.
Tactically inept management in place as a result of an inept county board.
Not all the best players are involved, eg Danny Heavron.
Slaughtneil success hampered us, but realistically it shows the lack of strength in depth of the squad as probably only 3-4 starting players are from  slaughtneil.
Apathy from supporters has to be expected given the quality being offered up in terms of tactics and performance (we are not the only county like this though).

In other words, we have very little going for us apart from recent minor success and current u20s. It remains to be seen if mcerlain can translate that to the senior stage. It might be too much for anyone to do, but more difficult for an inexperienced....and dare I say it, inexpensive manager.

Time will tell, but currently it's sh1t being a Derry fan.

I think McErleans handling of things this season has hampered us for the next couple of seasons. Danny Heavron done his cruciate playing a club game he wouldn't have been playing had he been playing county football, so he won't be there next season. I have also heard Keenan and McFaul have both said they won't play again as long as McErlean is in charge after he dropped them the panel with 2/3 league games to go. Apparently Mark Lynch had said this was his last year playing county football so at early stages the panel could struggle to get stronger for the start of next season. Hope Keenan/McFaul was just a knee jerk comment and after a long winter are happy enough to be back on board again and Lynch decides to go again as he adds experience.

if Slaughtneil don't win the Ulster club Derry should walk Divison 4 and a winnable first round championship draw might help create more of a buzz among the panel.


Great post by estimator ....
D Heavron didn't do his cruciate until 11th March in a Club challenge game.  If he had been on the County Panel he would have been available for 4 games ...... maybe the injury would have happened anyway ... who knows.  In terms of 2017 Danny was our best and most consistent performer .... One of the most important functions of a manager is to get the best players on the pitch

Dropping and not contacting the likes of McGuckin, Heavron, the Coleraine men etc was always going to be a stick to beat the current management with. The non communication aside, it was a massive gamble to make and one which backfired.
Heavron not injure himself playing with the Sky Blues? Anyhoo, could have happened at anytime
Will be very interesting to see the squad Mackers assembles for next year.
As you say, you have to get the best players on the pitch Real Talk . I'd say if we all were to list a squad of 30 men for county duty, a huge % of us would list very similar panels.

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« Reply #1586 on: June 13, 2018, 11:10:23 PM »
Heavron hurt himself playing a challange game vs Trillick in which he wouldn’t have been playing if he was part of the Derry squad. I don’t think McGuckin is a county footballer, he wouldn’t be in magherafelts top 3 forwards. I think leaving Ryan Bell was a bigger mistake, as I’ve said before in the game vs Mayo in 2017 Bell kicked 3 points from play, a couple months later he is deemed not good enough to make a panel which got relegated to division 4. A few big c**k ups by McErlean early doors ended up coming back to hurt him.

Derrys scores vs Mayo last year were -
Niall Loughlin 0-6 (5fs), Mark Lynch 1-1, Ryan Bell 0-3, Benny Heron, Danny Heavron, James Kielt (f) 0-1 each.

Out of the 1-13 derry scores that day only 1-2 of it was available this year. Loughlin travelling. Heavron/Bell not selected, Herron injured.

On top of that Danny Tallon, Ciaran McFaul and Niall Keenan all also started that game and left the panel at some stage during this year.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2018, 08:22:32 AM by toby47 »

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« Reply #1587 on: June 14, 2018, 07:33:17 AM »
Good post Estimator. Would be good to see equivalent stats for other provinces to give context.

Would be interesting to see if other counties with relatively strong club, underage and school success have as much difficulty in translating that onto the senior county level.

Slightly off topic, we are where we deserve to be this year in terms of senior football team.
Tactically inept management in place as a result of an inept county board.
Not all the best players are involved, eg Danny Heavron.
Slaughtneil success hampered us, but realistically it shows the lack of strength in depth of the squad as probably only 3-4 starting players are from  slaughtneil.
Apathy from supporters has to be expected given the quality being offered up in terms of tactics and performance (we are not the only county like this though).

In other words, we have very little going for us apart from recent minor success and current u20s. It remains to be seen if mcerlain can translate that to the senior stage. It might be too much for anyone to do, but more difficult for an inexperienced....and dare I say it, inexpensive manager.

Time will tell, but currently it's sh1t being a Derry fan.

I think McErleans handling of things this season has hampered us for the next couple of seasons. Danny Heavron done his cruciate playing a club game he wouldn't have been playing had he been playing county football, so he won't be there next season. I have also heard Keenan and McFaul have both said they won't play again as long as McErlean is in charge after he dropped them the panel with 2/3 league games to go. Apparently Mark Lynch had said this was his last year playing county football so at early stages the panel could struggle to get stronger for the start of next season. Hope Keenan/McFaul was just a knee jerk comment and after a long winter are happy enough to be back on board again and Lynch decides to go again as he adds experience.

if Slaughtneil don't win the Ulster club Derry should walk Divison 4 and a winnable first round championship draw might help create more of a buzz among the panel.


Great post by estimator ....
D Heavron didn't do his cruciate until 11th March in a Club challenge game.  If he had been on the County Panel he would have been available for 4 games ...... maybe the injury would have happened anyway ... who knows.  In terms of 2017 Danny was our best and most consistent performer .... One of the most important functions of a manager is to get the best players on the pitch

Dropping and not contacting the likes of McGuckin, Heavron, the Coleraine men etc was always going to be a stick to beat the current management with. The non communication aside, it was a massive gamble to make and one which backfired.
Heavron not injure himself playing with the Sky Blues? Anyhoo, could have happened at anytime
Will be very interesting to see the squad Mackers assembles for next year.
As you say, you have to get the best players on the pitch Real Talk . I'd say if we all were to list a squad of 30 men for county duty, a huge % of us would list very similar panels.

Damien made mistakes and most were as a result of inexperience in the management setup. That is why a swap would work really well. Micky Donnelly has great experience and success at top clubs and with county underage. He could move up to the senior job and Damien could go back to the u20s for a couple more years to build his experience.

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« Reply #1588 on: June 14, 2018, 10:55:31 AM »
Ultimately it was a missed free at the death that was the difference between victory and getting beat out the gate during extra time against Mayo last year.

If we go back a few years and look at our final games in the Championship, a bit of a pattern emerges under 3 different managers.

2013
Derry 0-20 Cavan 1-22

Derry were 1pt up with stoppage time up. Yet they let Cavan work the ball down the field to equalize and run up the scores in extra time.  Game management let the side down.  Even Joe Brolly lamented about the lack of tactical nous (cynicism) from the Derry players.

Derry: Eoin McNicholl; Aidan McAlynn, Chrissy McKaigue, Dermot McBride; Charlie Kielt, Mark Lynch (cpt), Sean Leo McGoldrick; Patsy Bradley, Conor McAtamney; Benny Heron, James Kielt, Enda Lynn; Ryan Bell, Eoin Bradley, Emmett McGuckin.

Players in italics - not available for one reason or another.

2014
Derry 2-14 Longford 2-16

Jack Sheedy's side were relegated to Division 4 this spring, but they were comfortable against a Derry side who contested the division one final just two months ago.

Even when the brilliant Lynch and James Kielt got scores on the board, they were undone by a porous defence and shaky midfield.

Lynch's strike from 20m with seven minutes to go somehow brought Derry level at 2-11 to 1-14 but Hughes' dummy and finish was the decisive score.
(Above notes from Match Report)

Again Derry had the momentum and still found a way to lose.

DERRY: T Mallon; O Duffy, C McKaigue, A McAlynn; G McKinless, M Craig, SL McGoldrick; M Lynch, K Johnston; A Devlin, E Bradley, E Lynn; J Kielt, T O'Brien, C McFaul
Subs: G O'Kane for McAlynn (BC, 14), B Heron for Duffy (24), N Holly for E Bradley (HT), D McKinless for Devlin (41)
Scorers for Derry – M Lynch 1-04 (2f), J Kielt 0-04 (1f), E Lynn 0-02, T O'Brien 0-02, B Heron 1-01 (a '45'), SL McGoldrick 0-01

2015

8Mins
Galway 0-0 Derry 0-3: Eight minutes in and Galway have yet to warm to the task as Daniel Heavron fires over another point for the visitors. It could have be more after Derry cut through the Galway defence but Heavron was content to take the point.

30Mins
​Galway 0-7 Derry 0-3: Conroy with a beautifully executed free as he judges the win perfectly to dissect the posts. Having seen replays of the incident which saw Rodgers shown the black card, the Derry man can feel harshly done by. Anyway, Karl McKaigue is on in his place.

41Mins
Galway 0-8 Derry 0-7:
Two points in quick succession and the gap is just one all of a sudden. Daniel Heavron with a sweetly struck point and then Cailean O’Boyle gets his name on the scoreboard. Game on.

61Mins
GOAL! Galway 1-11 Derry 0-7:Minutes after Derry had a penalty appeal waved away, Galway swarm forward and land the knock-out blow. Danny Cummins rounds off a fine team move with a clinical finish and Derry are up against it now.

(Above notes from live feed of the game)

Derry build up a lead then let Galway into the game.  Derry narrowed the gap to 1pt, but then register only one score for the rest of the game.

DERRY: T Mallon, O Duffy, C McKaigue, DMcBride, L McGoldrick, B Rogers, SL McGoldrick, N Holly, F Doherty, B Heron, M Lynch, E Lynn, D Heavron, Eoin Bradley, C O’Boyle

2016
1. Thomas Mallon – Not on panel
2. Gareth McKinless (Not on panel)
3. Chrissy McKaigue (Slaughtneil, capt)
4. Karl McKaigue (Injured)
5. Ciarán McFaul (Not on panel)
6. Brendan Rogers (Slaughtneil)
7. Ciarán Mullan (Not on panel)
8. Conor McAtamney (Swatragh)
9. Niall Holly (Not on panel)
10. Daniel Heavron (Not on panel)
11. Christopher Bradley (Not on panel)
12. Eoghan Brown (Not on panel)
13. James Kielt (Kilrea)
14. Emmett McGuckin (Not on panel)
15. Mark Lynch (Banagher)
**Lynn, Loughlin and Duffy started in place of Bradley, Brown and McKinless.

We had the same problems in that game this we still have now.

8Mins
Tipperary 0-3 Derry 0-1: Derry turn the ball over cheaply and Tipp run it straight back at them. Philip Austin brushes off Daniel Heavron and points after a fine solo run.

9Mins
Tipperary 0-4 Derry 0-1: Tipp are flying at the moment. Captain Peter Acheson works enough space to get his shot off and he points over Mallon’s crossbar.

11Mins
Tipperary 0-5 Derry 0-1: Ah, that’s a beaut by Michael Quinlivan. Tipp send a long ball in, Quinlivan gets out in front of Chrissy McKaigue and, as he gets back to his feet, takes one step to the side before pointing. Lovely.

52Mins
Tipperary 1-15 Derry 1-11: Kiely and Austin are finding too much space now for Derry’s liking, and Kiely is fouled for the free which Quinlivann points.

55Mins
Tipperary 1-15 Derry 1-12: Emmet Bradley brings Derry back to within three but every time Tipp get into Derry territory, they look like scoring.

69Mins
Derry 2-17 Tipperary 1-18: Danny Heavron has options left and right, but he’s not interested. He pauses for a second to compose himself and kicks Derry into a two-point lead.

So a two point lead with time up!

70Mins
FIVE additional minutes.
Tipp have a free-in…

70Mins
Derry 2-17 Tipperary 1-19: Kevin O’Halloran points the free. One point, four minutes…

70Mins
Peter Acheson gets to the high ball first and Tipp will have a free in midfield as they go in search of their equaliser.

70Mins
Derry 2-17 Tipperary 1-20: ALL SQUARE! No panic for Tipp and Conor Sweeney nips around his marker and hangs the ball up into the wind, letting it sail over the bar.

70Mins
Acheson wins the kickout again — he’s been immense — and Tipp will have a chance.
But Neill Forrester does trojan work in defence to pounce on a loose ball. Derry clear.

70Mins
Tipperary 1-21 Derry 2-17: TIPP LEAD! Conor Sweeney! Less than 60 seconds left…
(Above notes taken from Live feed from game)

So Derry have had a number of issues to deal with over the last 5 years, in the championship and the qualifiers.  Remember that we lost those games with the likes of McGuckin, Bell, McFaul, Keenan, Skinner, McKinless and Heavron playing.

I’m not saying that they wouldn’t have strengthened the panel, of course they would. Maybe they would have been the difference between Div3 and Div4 next season. I am merely suggesting Derrys problems run deeper than management and team selection.

I don’t have any solutions or quick fixes either.
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Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« Reply #1589 on: June 14, 2018, 12:07:55 PM »
Ultimately it was a missed free at the death that was the difference between victory and getting beat out the gate during extra time against Mayo last year.

If we go back a few years and look at our final games in the Championship, a bit of a pattern emerges under 3 different managers.

2013
Derry 0-20 Cavan 1-22

Derry were 1pt up with stoppage time up. Yet they let Cavan work the ball down the field to equalize and run up the scores in extra time.  Game management let the side down.  Even Joe Brolly lamented about the lack of tactical nous (cynicism) from the Derry players.

Derry: Eoin McNicholl; Aidan McAlynn, Chrissy McKaigue, Dermot McBride; Charlie Kielt, Mark Lynch (cpt), Sean Leo McGoldrick; Patsy Bradley, Conor McAtamney; Benny Heron, James Kielt, Enda Lynn; Ryan Bell, Eoin Bradley, Emmett McGuckin.

Players in italics - not available for one reason or another.

2014
Derry 2-14 Longford 2-16

Jack Sheedy's side were relegated to Division 4 this spring, but they were comfortable against a Derry side who contested the division one final just two months ago.

Even when the brilliant Lynch and James Kielt got scores on the board, they were undone by a porous defence and shaky midfield.

Lynch's strike from 20m with seven minutes to go somehow brought Derry level at 2-11 to 1-14 but Hughes' dummy and finish was the decisive score.
(Above notes from Match Report)

Again Derry had the momentum and still found a way to lose.

DERRY: T Mallon; O Duffy, C McKaigue, A McAlynn; G McKinless, M Craig, SL McGoldrick; M Lynch, K Johnston; A Devlin[/], E Bradley, E Lynn; J Kielt, T O'Brien, C McFaul
Subs: G O'Kane for McAlynn (BC, 14), B Heron for Duffy (24), N Holly for E Bradley (HT), D McKinless for Devlin (41)
Scorers for Derry – M Lynch 1-04 (2f), J Kielt 0-04 (1f), E Lynn 0-02, T O'Brien 0-02, B Heron 1-01 (a '45'), SL McGoldrick 0-01

2015

8Mins
Galway 0-0 Derry 0-3: Eight minutes in and Galway have yet to warm to the task as Daniel Heavron fires over another point for the visitors. It could have be more after Derry cut through the Galway defence but Heavron was content to take the point.

30Mins
​Galway 0-7 Derry 0-3: Conroy with a beautifully executed free as he judges the win perfectly to dissect the posts. Having seen replays of the incident which saw Rodgers shown the black card, the Derry man can feel harshly done by. Anyway, Karl McKaigue is on in his place.

41Mins
Galway 0-8 Derry 0-7:
Two points in quick succession and the gap is just one all of a sudden. Daniel Heavron with a sweetly struck point and then Cailean O’Boyle gets his name on the scoreboard. Game on.

61Mins
GOAL! Galway 1-11 Derry 0-7:Minutes after Derry had a penalty appeal waved away, Galway swarm forward and land the knock-out blow. Danny Cummins rounds off a fine team move with a clinical finish and Derry are up against it now.

(Above notes from live feed of the game)

Derry build up a lead then let Galway into the game.  Derry narrowed the gap to 1pt, but then register only one score for the rest of the game.

DERRY: T Mallon, O Duffy, C McKaigue, DMcBride, L McGoldrick, B Rogers, SL McGoldrick, N Holly, F Doherty, B Heron, M Lynch, E Lynn, D Heavron, Eoin Bradley, C O’Boyle

2016
1. Thomas Mallon – Not on panel
2. Gareth McKinless (Not on panel)
3. Chrissy McKaigue (Slaughtneil, capt)
4. Karl McKaigue (Injured)
5. Ciarán McFaul (Not on panel)
6. Brendan Rogers (Slaughtneil)
7. Ciarán Mullan (Not on panel)
8. Conor McAtamney (Swatragh)
9. Niall Holly (Not on panel)
10. Daniel Heavron (Not on panel)
11. Christopher Bradley (Not on panel)
12. Eoghan Brown (Not on panel)
13. James Kielt (Kilrea)
14. Emmett McGuckin (Not on panel)
15. Mark Lynch (Banagher)
**Lynn, Loughlin and Duffy started in place of Bradley, Brown and McKinless.

We had the same problems in that game this we still have now.

8Mins
Tipperary 0-3 Derry 0-1: Derry turn the ball over cheaply and Tipp run it straight back at them. Philip Austin brushes off Daniel Heavron and points after a fine solo run.

9Mins
Tipperary 0-4 Derry 0-1: Tipp are flying at the moment. Captain Peter Acheson works enough space to get his shot off and he points over Mallon’s crossbar.

11Mins
Tipperary 0-5 Derry 0-1: Ah, that’s a beaut by Michael Quinlivan. Tipp send a long ball in, Quinlivan gets out in front of Chrissy McKaigue and, as he gets back to his feet, takes one step to the side before pointing. Lovely.

52Mins
Tipperary 1-15 Derry 1-11: Kiely and Austin are finding too much space now for Derry’s liking, and Kiely is fouled for the free which Quinlivann points.

55Mins
Tipperary 1-15 Derry 1-12: Emmet Bradley brings Derry back to within three but every time Tipp get into Derry territory, they look like scoring.

69Mins
Derry 2-17 Tipperary 1-18: Danny Heavron has options left and right, but he’s not interested. He pauses for a second to compose himself and kicks Derry into a two-point lead.

So a two point lead with time up!

70Mins
FIVE additional minutes.
Tipp have a free-in…

70Mins
Derry 2-17 Tipperary 1-19: Kevin O’Halloran points the free. One point, four minutes…

70Mins
Peter Acheson gets to the high ball first and Tipp will have a free in midfield as they go in search of their equaliser.

70Mins
Derry 2-17 Tipperary 1-20: ALL SQUARE! No panic for Tipp and Conor Sweeney nips around his marker and hangs the ball up into the wind, letting it sail over the bar.

70Mins
Acheson wins the kickout again — he’s been immense — and Tipp will have a chance.
But Neill Forrester does trojan work in defence to pounce on a loose ball. Derry clear.

70Mins
Tipperary 1-21 Derry 2-17: TIPP LEAD! Conor Sweeney! Less than 60 seconds left…
(Above notes taken from Live feed from game)

So Derry have had a number of issues to deal with over the last 5 years, in the championship and the qualifiers.  Remember that we lost those games with the likes of McGuckin, Bell, McFaul, Keenan, Skinner, McKinless and Heavron playing.

I’m not saying that they wouldn’t have strengthened the panel, of course they would. Maybe they would have been the difference between Div3 and Div4 next season. I am merely suggesting Derrys problems run deeper than management and team selection.

I don’t have any solutions or quick fixes either.

Painful redaing