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« Reply #1350 on: May 10, 2018, 01:43:03 PM »
http://derrygaa.ie/fixturesandresults/?countyBoardID=7&compGroupID=51239&leagueTable=y

Is this league cup going to turn out to be a complete farce?  Looks like Lavey has conceded all their games already!?

Are these new league format cups still known as the Larkin & McGlinchey cups?  Or have they replaced those cups?

Surely Lavey could field their fringe players or reserves if they dont want their seniors to compete in this league cup. Or is there a cup competition for reserves as well?

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« Reply #1351 on: May 10, 2018, 02:35:51 PM »
http://derrygaa.ie/fixturesandresults/?countyBoardID=7&compGroupID=51239&leagueTable=y

Is this league cup going to turn out to be a complete farce?  Looks like Lavey has conceded all their games already!?

Are these new league format cups still known as the Larkin & McGlinchey cups?  Or have they replaced those cups?

Surely Lavey could field their fringe players or reserves if they dont want their seniors to compete in this league cup. Or is there a cup competition for reserves as well?


There is a separate competition for reserves. The fixtures are double headers just like league games. Can't see many of the reserve games being played though. Also they don't seem to be the Larkin/McGlinchy cups anymore.

I can see them pretty much turning into a farce. Realistically they are a just a filler to try and get clubs games during a 10 week break in the club football calendar. 

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« Reply #1352 on: May 10, 2018, 02:43:16 PM »
http://derrygaa.ie/fixturesandresults/?countyBoardID=7&compGroupID=51239&leagueTable=y

Is this league cup going to turn out to be a complete farce?  Looks like Lavey has conceded all their games already!?

Surely Lavey could field their fringe players or reserves if they dont want their seniors to compete in this league cup. Or is there a cup competition for reserves as well?

I wouldn't say it'll turn out a complete farce but I certainly don't think it'll go as well as intended.  Many of the club players that I've spoken with would rather have a break from action for a week or two rather than running off another 7 games that have very little meaning. 

Two solutions that I think would improve the overall approach would be to either remove the reserve fixtures in it allowing clubs to field a mix of senior and reserve players, reducing the strain on clubs that don't have big panels (county players aren't able to play in this competition) and allowing older / injured players to take a rest if needed. 
Alternatively, split the divisions into 4 groups of 4 rather than just 2 smaller leagues.  Each club then plays just 3 games which could be held every other weekend allowing players a week off in between and then the winners of each group play in a semi final and final for the "League Cup".

I can understand the thinking behind it but with a few small tweaks it would be even more beneficial to players looking extra games but also keen to have a break in action.

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« Reply #1353 on: May 10, 2018, 02:57:19 PM »
http://derrygaa.ie/fixturesandresults/?countyBoardID=7&compGroupID=51239&leagueTable=y

Is this league cup going to turn out to be a complete farce?  Looks like Lavey has conceded all their games already!?

Surely Lavey could field their fringe players or reserves if they dont want their seniors to compete in this league cup. Or is there a cup competition for reserves as well?

I wouldn't say it'll turn out a complete farce but I certainly don't think it'll go as well as intended.  Many of the club players that I've spoken with would rather have a break from action for a week or two rather than running off another 7 games that have very little meaning. 

Two solutions that I think would improve the overall approach would be to either remove the reserve fixtures in it allowing clubs to field a mix of senior and reserve players, reducing the strain on clubs that don't have big panels (county players aren't able to play in this competition) and allowing older / injured players to take a rest if needed. 
Alternatively, split the divisions into 4 groups of 4 rather than just 2 smaller leagues.  Each club then plays just 3 games which could be held every other weekend allowing players a week off in between and then the winners of each group play in a semi final and final for the "League Cup".

I can understand the thinking behind it but with a few small tweaks it would be even more beneficial to players looking extra games but also keen to have a break in action.


Good thinking, that would be a lot more beneficial.

I wonder will anyone else follow Lavey's lead and just not field for the tournament

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« Reply #1354 on: May 10, 2018, 03:07:45 PM »
http://derrygaa.ie/fixturesandresults/?countyBoardID=7&compGroupID=51239&leagueTable=y

Is this league cup going to turn out to be a complete farce?  Looks like Lavey has conceded all their games already!?

Surely Lavey could field their fringe players or reserves if they dont want their seniors to compete in this league cup. Or is there a cup competition for reserves as well?

I wouldn't say it'll turn out a complete farce but I certainly don't think it'll go as well as intended.  Many of the club players that I've spoken with would rather have a break from action for a week or two rather than running off another 7 games that have very little meaning. 

Two solutions that I think would improve the overall approach would be to either remove the reserve fixtures in it allowing clubs to field a mix of senior and reserve players, reducing the strain on clubs that don't have big panels (county players aren't able to play in this competition) and allowing older / injured players to take a rest if needed. 
Alternatively, split the divisions into 4 groups of 4 rather than just 2 smaller leagues.  Each club then plays just 3 games which could be held every other weekend allowing players a week off in between and then the winners of each group play in a semi final and final for the "League Cup".

I can understand the thinking behind it but with a few small tweaks it would be even more beneficial to players looking extra games but also keen to have a break in action.
Would this not be a great opportunity to play the u21 competition?

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« Reply #1355 on: May 10, 2018, 03:39:43 PM »
http://derrygaa.ie/fixturesandresults/?countyBoardID=7&compGroupID=51239&leagueTable=y

Is this league cup going to turn out to be a complete farce?  Looks like Lavey has conceded all their games already!?

Surely Lavey could field their fringe players or reserves if they dont want their seniors to compete in this league cup. Or is there a cup competition for reserves as well?

I wouldn't say it'll turn out a complete farce but I certainly don't think it'll go as well as intended.  Many of the club players that I've spoken with would rather have a break from action for a week or two rather than running off another 7 games that have very little meaning. 

Two solutions that I think would improve the overall approach would be to either remove the reserve fixtures in it allowing clubs to field a mix of senior and reserve players, reducing the strain on clubs that don't have big panels (county players aren't able to play in this competition) and allowing older / injured players to take a rest if needed. 
Alternatively, split the divisions into 4 groups of 4 rather than just 2 smaller leagues.  Each club then plays just 3 games which could be held every other weekend allowing players a week off in between and then the winners of each group play in a semi final and final for the "League Cup".

I can understand the thinking behind it but with a few small tweaks it would be even more beneficial to players looking extra games but also keen to have a break in action.
Would this not be a great opportunity to play the u21 competition?

At last someone has spoken with some sense. this is the perfect time to play the u21 comp, rather than rush it off in the winter in awful playing conditions in bog pitches.

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« Reply #1356 on: May 10, 2018, 03:43:16 PM »
http://derrygaa.ie/fixturesandresults/?countyBoardID=7&compGroupID=51239&leagueTable=y

Is this league cup going to turn out to be a complete farce?  Looks like Lavey has conceded all their games already!?

Surely Lavey could field their fringe players or reserves if they dont want their seniors to compete in this league cup. Or is there a cup competition for reserves as well?

I wouldn't say it'll turn out a complete farce but I certainly don't think it'll go as well as intended.  Many of the club players that I've spoken with would rather have a break from action for a week or two rather than running off another 7 games that have very little meaning. 

Two solutions that I think would improve the overall approach would be to either remove the reserve fixtures in it allowing clubs to field a mix of senior and reserve players, reducing the strain on clubs that don't have big panels (county players aren't able to play in this competition) and allowing older / injured players to take a rest if needed. 
Alternatively, split the divisions into 4 groups of 4 rather than just 2 smaller leagues.  Each club then plays just 3 games which could be held every other weekend allowing players a week off in between and then the winners of each group play in a semi final and final for the "League Cup".

I can understand the thinking behind it but with a few small tweaks it would be even more beneficial to players looking extra games but also keen to have a break in action.
Would this not be a great opportunity to play the u21 competition?

At last someone has spoken with some sense. this is the perfect time to play the u21 comp, rather than rush it off in the winter in awful playing conditions in bog pitches.

Couldnít play under 21 comp with derry under 20s and minors in full flow.

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« Reply #1357 on: May 10, 2018, 03:47:37 PM »
http://derrygaa.ie/fixturesandresults/?countyBoardID=7&compGroupID=51239&leagueTable=y

Is this league cup going to turn out to be a complete farce?  Looks like Lavey has conceded all their games already!?

Surely Lavey could field their fringe players or reserves if they dont want their seniors to compete in this league cup. Or is there a cup competition for reserves as well?

I wouldn't say it'll turn out a complete farce but I certainly don't think it'll go as well as intended.  Many of the club players that I've spoken with would rather have a break from action for a week or two rather than running off another 7 games that have very little meaning. 

Two solutions that I think would improve the overall approach would be to either remove the reserve fixtures in it allowing clubs to field a mix of senior and reserve players, reducing the strain on clubs that don't have big panels (county players aren't able to play in this competition) and allowing older / injured players to take a rest if needed. 
Alternatively, split the divisions into 4 groups of 4 rather than just 2 smaller leagues.  Each club then plays just 3 games which could be held every other weekend allowing players a week off in between and then the winners of each group play in a semi final and final for the "League Cup".

I can understand the thinking behind it but with a few small tweaks it would be even more beneficial to players looking extra games but also keen to have a break in action.
Would this not be a great opportunity to play the u21 competition?

I don't think so as players on the u20 & Senior County panels would not be available to the club u21 teams.  Plus the idea of these cup games is to have regular football for the ordinary club player while inter county players are unavailable.  I think this is a good idea in principle and would commend the CCC for their efforts in trying something like this, especially when the training to game ratio is so poor already.  No doubt the format can be tweaked and improved but it will take buy in & feedback from the clubs to make it a success.     
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« Reply #1358 on: May 10, 2018, 03:59:33 PM »
http://derrygaa.ie/fixturesandresults/?countyBoardID=7&compGroupID=51239&leagueTable=y

Is this league cup going to turn out to be a complete farce?  Looks like Lavey has conceded all their games already!?

Surely Lavey could field their fringe players or reserves if they dont want their seniors to compete in this league cup. Or is there a cup competition for reserves as well?

I wouldn't say it'll turn out a complete farce but I certainly don't think it'll go as well as intended.  Many of the club players that I've spoken with would rather have a break from action for a week or two rather than running off another 7 games that have very little meaning. 

Two solutions that I think would improve the overall approach would be to either remove the reserve fixtures in it allowing clubs to field a mix of senior and reserve players, reducing the strain on clubs that don't have big panels (county players aren't able to play in this competition) and allowing older / injured players to take a rest if needed. 
Alternatively, split the divisions into 4 groups of 4 rather than just 2 smaller leagues.  Each club then plays just 3 games which could be held every other weekend allowing players a week off in between and then the winners of each group play in a semi final and final for the "League Cup".

I can understand the thinking behind it but with a few small tweaks it would be even more beneficial to players looking extra games but also keen to have a break in action.
Would this not be a great opportunity to play the u21 competition?

I don't think so as players on the u20 & Senior County panels would not be available to the club u21 teams.  Plus the idea of these cup games is to have regular football for the ordinary club player while inter county players are unavailable.  I think this is a good idea in principle and would commend the CCC for their efforts in trying something like this, especially when the training to game ratio is so poor already.  No doubt the format can be tweaked and improved but it will take buy in & feedback from the clubs to make it a success. 


I feel this year could set a marker of how the competition is viewed. If it was taken seriously the competition could grow over the next couple of years to be a worthwhile competitive tournament however I feel if a team (or more than one) pulsl out and it's not taken very seriously then more clubs could feel its not worthwhile next year and rather than get 7 meaningless games over 10 weeks could take a 2-3 week break then get 2-3 tough friendlies lined up the couple of weeks leading upto the 2nd round of league games.

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« Reply #1359 on: May 10, 2018, 04:23:04 PM »
http://derrygaa.ie/fixturesandresults/?countyBoardID=7&compGroupID=51239&leagueTable=y

Is this league cup going to turn out to be a complete farce?  Looks like Lavey has conceded all their games already!?

Surely Lavey could field their fringe players or reserves if they dont want their seniors to compete in this league cup. Or is there a cup competition for reserves as well?

I wouldn't say it'll turn out a complete farce but I certainly don't think it'll go as well as intended.  Many of the club players that I've spoken with would rather have a break from action for a week or two rather than running off another 7 games that have very little meaning. 

Two solutions that I think would improve the overall approach would be to either remove the reserve fixtures in it allowing clubs to field a mix of senior and reserve players, reducing the strain on clubs that don't have big panels (county players aren't able to play in this competition) and allowing older / injured players to take a rest if needed. 
Alternatively, split the divisions into 4 groups of 4 rather than just 2 smaller leagues.  Each club then plays just 3 games which could be held every other weekend allowing players a week off in between and then the winners of each group play in a semi final and final for the "League Cup".

I can understand the thinking behind it but with a few small tweaks it would be even more beneficial to players looking extra games but also keen to have a break in action.
Would this not be a great opportunity to play the u21 competition?

I don't think so as players on the u20 & Senior County panels would not be available to the club u21 teams.  Plus the idea of these cup games is to have regular football for the ordinary club player while inter county players are unavailable.  I think this is a good idea in principle and would commend the CCC for their efforts in trying something like this, especially when the training to game ratio is so poor already.  No doubt the format can be tweaked and improved but it will take buy in & feedback from the clubs to make it a success. 


I feel this year could set a marker of how the competition is viewed. If it was taken seriously the competition could grow over the next couple of years to be a worthwhile competitive tournament however I feel if a team (or more than one) pulsl out and it's not taken very seriously then more clubs could feel its not worthwhile next year and rather than get 7 meaningless games over 10 weeks could take a 2-3 week break then get 2-3 tough friendlies lined up the couple of weeks leading upto the 2nd round of league games.

Yeah, it will all depend on how the clubs treat it.  Not a good start with Lavey pulling out already.  Personally I'd have liked to have seen a regional championship  played at this stage in Senior Intermediate & Junior.  Group stages then into quarter/semi Finals.  Short travel times so midweek games could be played & local rivalries with a North/South Derry championship trophy as a prize to give it some importance to the clubs/players
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« Reply #1360 on: May 10, 2018, 04:27:41 PM »
http://derrygaa.ie/fixturesandresults/?countyBoardID=7&compGroupID=51239&leagueTable=y

Is this league cup going to turn out to be a complete farce?  Looks like Lavey has conceded all their games already!?

Surely Lavey could field their fringe players or reserves if they dont want their seniors to compete in this league cup. Or is there a cup competition for reserves as well?

I wouldn't say it'll turn out a complete farce but I certainly don't think it'll go as well as intended.  Many of the club players that I've spoken with would rather have a break from action for a week or two rather than running off another 7 games that have very little meaning. 

Two solutions that I think would improve the overall approach would be to either remove the reserve fixtures in it allowing clubs to field a mix of senior and reserve players, reducing the strain on clubs that don't have big panels (county players aren't able to play in this competition) and allowing older / injured players to take a rest if needed. 
Alternatively, split the divisions into 4 groups of 4 rather than just 2 smaller leagues.  Each club then plays just 3 games which could be held every other weekend allowing players a week off in between and then the winners of each group play in a semi final and final for the "League Cup".

I can understand the thinking behind it but with a few small tweaks it would be even more beneficial to players looking extra games but also keen to have a break in action.
Would this not be a great opportunity to play the u21 competition?

I don't think so as players on the u20 & Senior County panels would not be available to the club u21 teams.  Plus the idea of these cup games is to have regular football for the ordinary club player while inter county players are unavailable.  I think this is a good idea in principle and would commend the CCC for their efforts in trying something like this, especially when the training to game ratio is so poor already.  No doubt the format can be tweaked and improved but it will take buy in & feedback from the clubs to make it a success. 


I feel this year could set a marker of how the competition is viewed. If it was taken seriously the competition could grow over the next couple of years to be a worthwhile competitive tournament however I feel if a team (or more than one) pulsl out and it's not taken very seriously then more clubs could feel its not worthwhile next year and rather than get 7 meaningless games over 10 weeks could take a 2-3 week break then get 2-3 tough friendlies lined up the couple of weeks leading upto the 2nd round of league games.

Yeah, it will all depend on how the clubs treat it.  Not a good start with Lavey pulling out already.  Personally I'd have liked to have seen a regional championship  played at this stage in Senior Intermediate & Junior.  Group stages then into quarter/semi Finals.  Short travel times so midweek games could be played & local rivalries with a North/South Derry championship trophy as a prize to give it some importance to the clubs/players
Lavey do what Lavey do

Agree that it would be much better if it was one game only. Teams like Slaughtneil and even Lavey who have a number of players on the county football and hurling panels might struggle to field two teams but surely could get 15 players out of somewhere.

On another note I see Chrissy has been named as captain of the small ball team. That is putting some demands on him now.

Just when I've nothing else to do, what is the story around Screen. Losing 6 from 7 is not the type of start you would expect from one of the big guns. Players injured/missing? Management? In house fighting?  At least their discipline issues haven't raised its head - yet!
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« Reply #1361 on: May 10, 2018, 07:09:21 PM »
I don't mind the idea of these cups. You'd have thought that most teams would have been trying to arrange challenge games during this break. This, in theory, takes that hassle away from the clubs.

Not sure anyone should be pulling out. Sure, give the fringe seniors and the better reserves some games if you want to rest your main men.

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« Reply #1362 on: May 11, 2018, 03:17:50 PM »
IMO I think the 8 week block could be used in a more beneficial way. A League cup will not be taken seriously and there is no real benefit of it other than players getting uncompetitive game time. I would like the 8 week block to used to try something radical. Something different to incorporate the whole county. I would like to see a championship played like the one used in Kerry with district teams. Forget divisions and give our intermediate and Junior players a chance to play against the Senior sides minus their county men. I think players from all divisions would get behind it. For example,Trasna,Ardmore,Doire Colmcille, dolans etc players joining or Lissan, Desertmartin, Ogra and Moneymore players joining to compete against these Senior sides. It not only makes this 8 week block meaningful but also develops players and gives a chance for our second and third division players to impress the county selectors.

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« Reply #1363 on: May 11, 2018, 06:13:04 PM »
IMO I think the 8 week block could be used in a more beneficial way. A League cup will not be taken seriously and there is no real benefit of it other than players getting uncompetitive game time. I would like the 8 week block to used to try something radical. Something different to incorporate the whole county. I would like to see a championship played like the one used in Kerry with district teams. Forget divisions and give our intermediate and Junior players a chance to play against the Senior sides minus their county men. I think players from all divisions would get behind it. For example,Trasna,Ardmore,Doire Colmcille, dolans etc players joining or Lissan, Desertmartin, Ogra and Moneymore players joining to compete against these Senior sides. It not only makes this 8 week block meaningful but also develops players and gives a chance for our second and third division players to impress the county selectors.

Would it be a knockout championship. If it is then 50% of players only get one game. Also what about the players from those junior clubs who arenít selected for these divisional teams? What do they do during this 8 week gap?

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« Reply #1364 on: May 13, 2018, 08:25:26 PM »
Superb win for the minors yesterday and very tough luck on the hurlers.

Donegal at CP today fortnight. Bonner has put together a formidable front 6. Serious pace. Their HF line was excellent today and Michael Murphy was absolutely superb. He covered some ground, had a tonne of possession and continuously played the ball forward at speed with purpose
We'll have to, ah, we know what we have to do, will we be able is the million pound question??