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Re: George Hook
« Reply #120 on: October 05, 2017, 06:44:09 PM »
This was huge 3 weeks ago. Now everyone has moved on. The news cycle is very interesting.
The social justice warrior activists masquerading as journalists got their pound of flesh and moved on, eagerly awaiting their next target to reveal itself.

Point of order: When did "social justice" become a term of abuse?

Probably when the social justice warriors decided that they are the new guardians of morality and public opinion. God help you if you don't sing off the same hymn sheet.
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Re: George Hook
« Reply #121 on: October 05, 2017, 07:56:43 PM »
This was huge 3 weeks ago. Now everyone has moved on. The news cycle is very interesting.
The social justice warrior activists masquerading as journalists got their pound of flesh and moved on, eagerly awaiting their next target to reveal itself.

Point of order: When did "social justice" become a term of abuse?

Probably when the social justice warriors decided that they are the new guardians of morality and public opinion. God help you if you don't sing off the same hymn sheet.


This guy's got a point. The rush to get Hook off the airwaves because his comments were offensive (understandably) was way OTT.
Just because you don't like what someone has to say, doesn't mean that person can't say it.
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Re: George Hook
« Reply #122 on: October 06, 2017, 10:24:30 AM »
This was huge 3 weeks ago. Now everyone has moved on. The news cycle is very interesting.
The social justice warrior activists masquerading as journalists got their pound of flesh and moved on, eagerly awaiting their next target to reveal itself.

Point of order: When did "social justice" become a term of abuse?

Probably when the social justice warriors decided that they are the new guardians of morality and public opinion. God help you if you don't sing off the same hymn sheet.


This guy's got a point. The rush to get Hook off the airwaves because his comments were offensive (understandably) was way OTT.
Just because you don't like what someone has to say, doesn't mean that person can't say it.
Never mind the viewpoint on the punishment due to Hook. You can argue either way on that. You can also argue whether a girl should look after herself better.

What you can't argue, in my opinion, is that the rapist is 100% to blame for the rape.

And as much as I back free speech I don't think it's as black and white to suggest that people can say what they want. I'm sure you can think of an extreme hypothetical example of something a national radio DJ shouldn't be allowed to say.

Then again if we're equating a well that a kid falls down to a person that kills a kid maybe it's a free for all already.
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Re: George Hook
« Reply #123 on: October 06, 2017, 10:37:29 AM »
Surely there's a difference between apportioning blame, which is what Hook did, albeit I think in a clumsy attempt to do something different, and advising and encouraging caution and sense. It's obviously great to encourage and advise someone to be aware of where they are, what they are putting themselves in the way of, making sure people know where they are etc.

But that in no way blames them if they get attacked, or raped. If I am in a strange city, and wander into a dodgy area by mistake, I'm not to blame if I get robbed or beaten up. I might have been more careful, but I wouldn't be to blame.

And at the back of all this, you have to be able to live your life. If you go around afraid to move, or interact with people, or enjoy yourself then you're already dead.

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Re: George Hook
« Reply #124 on: October 06, 2017, 10:56:12 AM »
This was huge 3 weeks ago. Now everyone has moved on. The news cycle is very interesting.
The social justice warrior activists masquerading as journalists got their pound of flesh and moved on, eagerly awaiting their next target to reveal itself.

Point of order: When did "social justice" become a term of abuse?

Probably when the social justice warriors decided that they are the new guardians of morality and public opinion. God help you if you don't sing off the same hymn sheet.


This guy's got a point. The rush to get Hook off the airwaves because his comments were offensive (understandably) was way OTT.
Just because you don't like what someone has to say, doesn't mean that person can't say it.
Never mind the viewpoint on the punishment due to Hook. You can argue either way on that. You can also argue whether a girl should look after herself better.

What you can't argue, in my opinion, is that the rapist is 100% to blame for the rape.


And as much as I back free speech I don't think it's as black and white to suggest that people can say what they want. I'm sure you can think of an extreme hypothetical example of something a national radio DJ shouldn't be allowed to say.

Then again if we're equating a well that a kid falls down to a person that kills a kid maybe it's a free for all already.

That was all I was trying to say - that Hook was (IMO) trying to make a point about people having to take some responsibility for the situations they put themselves it. I realise what he actually said is something very different, and I in no way go along with the "it's her own fault for getting raped" line. I don't think that's what Hook meant to say, but I accept that's how it sounded, and he deserved a lot of criticism for it. But protests to get him sacked, and boycotting the station was OTT. He apologised, and was suspended. That should have been the end of it.
I really think there is a mob mentality growing (on twitter especially) of people who see themselves as righteous and they are extremely intolerant of anything that doesn't go along with their viewpoint. We'll see plenty more of it with the abortion referendum coming up. 
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Re: George Hook
« Reply #125 on: October 06, 2017, 11:03:56 AM »
This was huge 3 weeks ago. Now everyone has moved on. The news cycle is very interesting.
The social justice warrior activists masquerading as journalists got their pound of flesh and moved on, eagerly awaiting their next target to reveal itself.

Point of order: When did "social justice" become a term of abuse?

Probably when the social justice warriors decided that they are the new guardians of morality and public opinion. God help you if you don't sing off the same hymn sheet.


This guy's got a point. The rush to get Hook off the airwaves because his comments were offensive (understandably) was way OTT.
Just because you don't like what someone has to say, doesn't mean that person can't say it.
Never mind the viewpoint on the punishment due to Hook. You can argue either way on that. You can also argue whether a girl should look after herself better.

What you can't argue, in my opinion, is that the rapist is 100% to blame for the rape.


And as much as I back free speech I don't think it's as black and white to suggest that people can say what they want. I'm sure you can think of an extreme hypothetical example of something a national radio DJ shouldn't be allowed to say.

Then again if we're equating a well that a kid falls down to a person that kills a kid maybe it's a free for all already.

That was all I was trying to say - that Hook was (IMO) trying to make a point about people having to take some responsibility for the situations they put themselves it. I realise what he actually said is something very different, and I in no way go along with the "it's her own fault for getting raped" line. I don't think that's what Hook meant to say, but I accept that's how it sounded, and he deserved a lot of criticism for it. But protests to get him sacked, and boycotting the station was OTT. He apologised, and was suspended. That should have been the end of it.
I really think there is a mob mentality growing (on twitter especially) of people who see themselves as righteous and they are extremely intolerant of anything that doesn't go along with their viewpoint. We'll see plenty more of it with the abortion referendum coming up.
When forming an opinion on these things I think we need to dismiss the mobs on one side and the "he was dead right" crew on the other side.

What you say is largely fine. However, I don't agree that it's not what he meant to say. You need to look at this in the context of what George Hook's show is.

It involves him coming on and throwing out a controversial statement and welcoming texts that criticise his comments. The intro to his show implies as much. He often makes an argument, is argued down and moves on because he's achieved what he wants; he's pissed somebody off.

You'd also have to assume that he prepares his rants before the show airs. It's not like he was in the middle of a heated argument and blurted something out. I'd say it was pretty much scripted. If anything, I'd say it's the apology that he didn't mean.

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Re: George Hook
« Reply #126 on: October 06, 2017, 11:36:45 AM »
f**k sakes lads that's life. . . when you're young and out looking for someone you go back to peoples houses or hotel rooms for a chat or another drink or a shift. It happens everywhere all the time.

Not that anyone here is apportioning blame to the girl but to say she shouldn't put herself in these kinds of situations is fucked up. We may as well not go out the door for someone could get raped going for a walk in the park . . . it may be late in the evening, approaching dusk, surely you should know better and not put yourself in that situation!

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Re: George Hook
« Reply #127 on: October 06, 2017, 11:59:52 AM »
Personally think Hook's comments were wrong and damaging, particularly to those who have been attacked/raped or work with victims. I can absolutely understand their anger. In a free society though we have to be able to listen to things we don't like. Vehemently destroy the bullshit arguments at every turn and move on. That's what having a free society is about. Just as Hook is entitled to make whatever comments he likes, so people are entitled to ask for him to be removed from his job for those comments. They're entitled to see where his employer stands on these comments. Again - people might find that distasteful or overly PC but it's their right in a free society.

PC does annoy me at times but we have to realise it was essential. Look at where our society has come from, how attitudes have changed etc since say the 70's and 80's? It has improved a lot in terms of inclusion and respect for differences. Not perfect but much better. If the price for that is a little over zealous PC stuff - I think it's a better price to pay than the alternative of intolerance, division and fear.

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Re: George Hook
« Reply #128 on: October 06, 2017, 12:23:34 PM »
Some things just donít require a devilís advocate. Theyíre self-evidently wrong positions.

And itís not a free speech issue. Hook hasnít run afoul of any law, nor is the government trying to muzzle him. His employer decided he wasnít worth the effort to counter the backlash. He is free to spout his opinions on any other platform or street corner he likes.

Just unfortunate for him that victim blaming and ďsure look what she is wearing, sheís asking for itĒ logic has thankfully passed into impropriety.

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Re: George Hook
« Reply #129 on: October 06, 2017, 12:33:47 PM »
Some things just donít require a devilís advocate. Theyíre self-evidently wrong positions.

And itís not a free speech issue. Hook hasnít run afoul of any law, nor is the government trying to muzzle him. His employer decided he wasnít worth the effort to counter the backlash. He is free to spout his opinions on any other platform or street corner he likes.

Just unfortunate for him that victim blaming and ďsure look what she is wearing, sheís asking for itĒ logic has thankfully passed into impropriety.
Except they've given him a new slot.

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Re: George Hook
« Reply #130 on: October 06, 2017, 01:16:17 PM »
Some things just donít require a devilís advocate. Theyíre self-evidently wrong positions.

And itís not a free speech issue. Hook hasnít run afoul of any law, nor is the government trying to muzzle him. His employer decided he wasnít worth the effort to counter the backlash. He is free to spout his opinions on any other platform or street corner he likes.

Just unfortunate for him that victim blaming and ďsure look what she is wearing, sheís asking for itĒ logic has thankfully passed into impropriety.
Except they've given him a new slot.

They have?

So whatís all the complaining about? ;D

(Sorry, Iím in the US and not up to date on the day to day stuff)

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Re: George Hook
« Reply #131 on: October 06, 2017, 02:56:38 PM »
Some things just donít require a devilís advocate. Theyíre self-evidently wrong positions.

And itís not a free speech issue. Hook hasnít run afoul of any law, nor is the government trying to muzzle him. His employer decided he wasnít worth the effort to counter the backlash. He is free to spout his opinions on any other platform or street corner he likes.

Just unfortunate for him that victim blaming and ďsure look what she is wearing, sheís asking for itĒ logic has thankfully passed into impropriety.
Except they've given him a new slot.

They have?

So whatís all the complaining about? ;D

(Sorry, Iím in the US and not up to date on the day to day stuff)
Yeah. He's "stepping down". http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/george-hook-steps-down-from-lunchtime-show-but-will-return-to-newstalk-later-this-year-36158838.html

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Re: George Hook
« Reply #132 on: October 25, 2017, 07:47:26 PM »
This was huge 3 weeks ago. Now everyone has moved on. The news cycle is very interesting.
The social justice warrior activists masquerading as journalists got their pound of flesh and moved on, eagerly awaiting their next target to reveal itself.

Were they wrong?? Surely what he said was deplorable and rightly called out!!

George Hook spoke the truth. What he said wasn't politically correct and he got punished for it.
That's how it works these days. Mass hysteria from those who are permanently offended by anyone who disagrees with how they've been instructed to think.
How can an opinion be the truth? He gave a view. Many have argued for or against it. Your contribution is that it's the truth and the usual tripe about mass hysteria. All that's missing is "PC brigade". Why don't you argue your point? Which part are you claiming to be the truth or are you just playing your usual "George Hook of the GAAboard" role?

I've already argued my point if you care to read back a couple of pages. If you want to believe that someone is not responsible for putting themselves in dangerous situations with strangers then that's your opinion. I can't agree with you.

Maybe you can argue that it's ok to tell kids to get into that car with a stranger? What's the worst that can happen eh?
Tell me this George. If your kid got into a car and ended up being murdered, would you be able to bring yourself to say that they were partly to blame for the murder? I mean that'd be the truth wouldn't it?

Of course they would be - they shouldn't have got into the car. What's your point?
Just bumping this for the Tom Humphries case.

Was the victim to blame for her own sexual abuse, foxkkkommander?

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Re: George Hook
« Reply #133 on: October 25, 2017, 08:31:16 PM »
Cat got your tongue, foxy?  :P